New GMHTP

[TurboManiacal]

I think for the most part we appreciate the coverage just try and get something right. Most people that drive around 10 year old trucks with stock motors and bolt ons making 400+HP and 500+LBS of torque just aren't interested in a 300HP NA V6. A nice article on mild rebuild with a chip and turbo making almost 600HP and 700+LBS of torque would have been great. If they aren't sure how to do this they should ask, the majority of the people on this board are good people who would be glad to help out. What about an article on some of the big boys like McCoy's SY, Hoover's SY, Dumler's TY, the Ghettosled? Just some thoughts.

Ryan
'92 Ty
OddFyreV6

Heck...even Mike McCoy's SS would be nice. He's where...down somewhere in the 11's now.

 

[tyndago]

[quote="OddfireV6" What about an article on some of the big boys like McCoy's SY, Hoover's SY, Dumler's TY, the Ghettosled? Just some thoughts.

OddFyreV6[/quote]

Or how about an Oddfire , AWD , T-76 , Typhoon from IL ?

That may be interesting to some people...

maybe... possibly...

Sean

 

[Jim@GMHTP]

Changes are in the works for GMHTP, but I don't think we'll be looking for tech advice on SyTys from people who have pictures of pimps in the signatures

 

[MR_MNZTR_SY]

there are some of us here that are professional about the message boards. and there are some of us here that are professional in real life but know that this is an open friendly place to share information on the vehicles that we love and are fun people, that like to joke around and play, not boring dry people that everyone hates...now where can i git me a picture of a pimp.....

 

[Loeryder]

Changes are in the works for GMHTP, but I don't think we'll be looking for tech advice on SyTys from people who have pictures of pimps in the signatures

Thats funny as shit! Bout time you guys cleaned house over there!!!

If you take a distant look at this board or any for that matter they are social hangouts as much as technical.
The folks who hang out here use their sigs to persoanlize and add color and flair to the board, myself included.
Kind of what you GMHTP folks do by only shooting "Colorful" pictures for your rag.

Hell pimp status around here may mean you're the 4.3 Turbo genius, chip burning guru, master welder, machine shop Sycopath, etc....

If any of you (GMHTP) took any amount of time to research some of the NEW info available you wouldn't get clowned on by everyone.

I personally won't ever pay for your rag, until you show some effort into getting up to date reliable and ACCURATE info. Till then I will wipe with your editorials...

 

[ParTyBoy]

Changes are in the works for GMHTP, but I don't think we'll be looking for tech advice on SyTys from people who have pictures of pimps in the signatures

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Personally, I'd preffer not to be the one quoted in a magazine.. there are far more knowledgeable people in this community like Brian, Green, Sean Morris, Peter Humblias, Robert(from sweeden), Mike (Atomic Rooster Autosports), Torrey, Jeff Scott, Daron Hartvigsten, Tony & Nolan from Canada, Falco's coming along good as well.... Lots of other guys too who have experience like Loeryder (jas), Ian, Keith, Chris Pearson, Myclone, Dean... All I want to read is a magazine that is true to the time it is printed; with knowleadge that is current and that reflects the developments of whatever community that the article is based upon... :wink:

 

[ParTyBoy]

there are some of us here that are professional about the message boards. and there are some of us here that are professional in real life but know that this is an open friendly place to share information on the vehicles that we love and are fun people, that like to joke around and play, not boring dry people that everyone hates...now where can i git me a picture of a pimp.....

Ask and you shall receive... :lol:

 

[TurboManiacal]

Changes are in the works for GMHTP, but I don't think we'll be looking for tech advice on SyTys from people who have pictures of pimps in the signatures

Nice. Professional. /sarcasm

WTF? You gave general vague and quite possibly an incorrect response to an owner and you come on here and say that no you don't want any correct advice because someone has a picture of themselves dressed for halloween in their signature. That's pretty jacked up.

 

[E-Rue]

could someone make me a vinyl sticker that says

"GMHTP sucks a big fat donky dick"

i wanna sport that on the back glass of my syclone while im running 11's at the nationals with 300 plus trucks and lots of people taking lots of pictures.

e

 

[MR_MNZTR_SY]

hahah thats awesome. y'know, i bought a gmhtp a few years back and enjoyed it. not enough to ever buy it again because of the incredibly high price, and i after seeing how they treat us, people that embody what gmhtp stands for in every way shape and form, i will never buy it again :lol:

 

[MR_MNZTR_SY]

ironically enough, the issue that i bought was the one about chicago street racing that had the white marlboro sy in it :lol:

 

[Jim@GMHTP]

Nice. Professional. /sarcasm

WTF? You gave general vague and quite possibly an incorrect response to an owner and you come on here and say that no you don't want any correct advice because someone has a picture of themselves dressed for halloween in their signature. That's pretty jacked up.

I gave no such response, Ray Bohacz was the author in question. If you disagree with his advice, I urge you to contact him directly. Rick Jensen will soon be taking over the column and while we are very aware of the wealth of information that exists on message boards, Rick will be directing the tougher questions to vendors who specialize in those areas. To read more about it, click on this thread:

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/sh...e860e4610f5901&threadid=46647&highlight=gmhtp

Seeking accurate information for publication from sources on the Internet is a risky proposition at best. For example, after reading this thread, I might expect to see "300 plus trucks" at the SyTy Nats next weekend, when less than half that number are even listed on the website as being registered.

 

[ParTyBoy]

Seeking accurate information for publication from sources on the Internet is a risky proposition at best. For example, after reading this thread, I might expect to see "300 plus trucks" at the SyTy Nats next weekend, when less than half that number are even listed on the website as being registered.

Normally I would agree with your proposition that seeking accurate information over the internet can be risky... However, I believe that over "time" as with the syty community certain means/methods of upgrades are usually tested by a community insuring the prospective outcome to be favorable...And as with time certain methods are found to be either inefficient or incorrect... Look at the syty products offered by Kenne Bell as an example that are over "10" years old.. Sure Kenne Bell may be a vendor of upgrades for the syty, but do the upgrades offered really perform as they are advertised?? Have you seen kenne bell showing any support or developing anything in recent years???

I suppose if your statement that "seeking accurate information was risky" then most people would be purchasing kenne bell's 10 sec chip instead of a 3 bar chip created by syty community members Todd Austinson/Brian Green and tested throughout the community... or maybe if no one sought information through the internet about creating a favorable turbo option through the syty community then the PTE Turbo/downpipe may not have been developed... same goes for mike at arautosports... If mike wouldn't have sought out the community then maybe his business offering a vast amount of knowledge & ugrades (twin turbo headers, custom IC, heads,etc) for syty's wouldn't have taken shape... Then there's Brian Hartman taking the time to learn the insides of the 4L60 and offering products to the community, since the stock gm tranny and various aftermarket vendors could not create a sufficient product to withstand AWD launches... Jeff Scott creating EGR plates, polyurethane motor mounts, & custom intakes is another example of members in the community developing products as well as Al Dustan creating suspension upgrade packages.... information about upgrading from the stock syty heads that are prone to detonation to the newer vortec castings is something else that's been developed as an alternative through the means of ideas, then actions which have stemed throught the syty "internet" community...

My point is that yes you are correct in the statement that finding insightful knowledge may diffucult to obtain or identify... The defining factor is finding/asking the more knowledgaeble people in their respective community for that information and then double checking it for consistency.
More than likely these veteran owners/enthusiats will have taken the guinea pig stage by developing/testing new options for you and have reliable results that you can rely upon... My advice is to find and learn from these people as they will offer you an unbiased source of information unlike "some" vendors that claim huge hp increases and results while actual performance gains are marginal...

People pay for GMHTP magazine to have you find the latest info for them that provides the most bang for their buck.. Lots of these readers don't always have the answers to their questions and will depend on you to find it for them.. That's what good journalism is about; making sure that the information you provide is accurate and the best at the time of publication.. Hyping vendors is just a cop out IMHO if you have no idea what the performance gain to be other than what the vendor "claims" the results of a bolt on will produce...

 

[TurboManiacal]

Nice. Professional. /sarcasm

WTF? You gave general vague and quite possibly an incorrect response to an owner and you come on here and say that no you don't want any correct advice because someone has a picture of themselves dressed for halloween in their signature. That's pretty jacked up.

I gave no such response, Ray Bohacz was the author in question.

Nice sidestepping...you wear the name Jim@GMHTP...yet, when it comes to information that was published by your magazine you don't want to take responsibility...Yet another fine example of the decay of morals and social responsibility in America (yes I just did elevate it to that level) I guess you can say whatever you want because you have a second job to fall back on for those other 9 months of the year :roll:

If you disagree with his advice, I urge you to contact him directly.

Fuck yeah I disagree with him...that's why I started this thread didn't I? Have I contacted you yet, no because I was hoping to get a group effort going here rather than a flame ware and produce a consolidated accurate and comprehensive "open letter" to GMHTP...much like "You" (referring to the magazine not your employer because I know you don't take responsiblity for the product of your employer) have done with GM. I'm assuming that your letter hasn't done much good...as a letter from the constituents of this board would fair at this point...

Rick Jensen will soon be taking over the column and while we are very aware of the wealth of information that exists on message boards, Rick will be directing the tougher questions to vendors who specialize in those areas. To read more about it, click on this thread:

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/sh...e860e4610f5901&threadid=46647&highlight=gmhtp

Seeking accurate information for publication from sources on the Internet is a risky proposition at best. For example, after reading this thread, I might expect to see "300 plus trucks" at the SyTy Nats next weekend, when less than half that number are even listed on the website as being registered.

I agree seeking information can be risky...come on live a little...let's get off the high horse that just because Kenne Belle advertises a lot with you that he's #1 in SyTy...Which would you rather publish...an advertisement for potentially engine harming 10y/o technology from a high paying advertiser or the latest in technology advancements utilizing upgraded 3 bar map sensors, 50lb injectors...the ability to upgrade to newer vortec heads w/ a bigger cam...technology that was developed earlier this year? Obviously you are telling me you'd prefer to go with the "money"

Tranny: There's a lot more to tranny tech than your local shop would have you to believe. I wish I had saved Brian Hartmann's rant on production processes that make a good part go bad. Hartmann's kit is so extensive that maintain's records of plant ownership. If part A is designed in a good fashion...doesn't make it a good part if production processes inherently destroy the integrity of the production part. Capiche? You'd be amazed at the amount of research that go into his kits. So which would you rather publish...information from a High Paying Advertiser that don't know crap about tranny tech for SyTy and haven't since they stopped research on SyTy nearly 8 years ago...or the guy that just approved a new & improved TCS converter that nearly revolutionize tranny tech *again* Obviously the money wins out again.

Money: 2 Viable Information: 0

Engine:

ahh hell, I'm at work and don't have the rag with me (it's on the toilet btw) somebody wanna jump in here on this one?

If you are adamant about contacting vendors...shy away from Kenne Belle unless you have a question about a2a, then only contact him if you want a piping nightmare for $1200. Instead for SyTy I have heard good things (and sometimes occasionally bad) from the true Vendors of SyTy...guys continually working on developing new technology for SyTy'ers like me and people on this board around the world (I'm in germany...btw: work on getting your rag her faster...it pisses me off that I have to wait an additional week to read it after the stateside guys get to read it...):

www.rockfordracecraft.com
www.tobefast.com
www.arautosports.com
http://www.sportmachines.com/dpt/
Brian Hartmann
Roadmaster Transmission in Chicago
John Waller J&G Racing
Jeff Scott J&S Design


Heck, contact Rick "Opie" Waller, an ISTA Board member for information...he could politically direct you in the right direction...that's if you still hold the predjudicial opinion that people shouldn't have fun with sig lines on the net and could possibly never know anything good...

Nice post...maybe next time you could stop sidestepping the real issue...

 

[Jim@GMHTP]

If it makes you guys feel better, I can accept credit or blame for everything written in the magazine, but the reality is I'm only responsible for a small portion of the editorial content. You guys clearly have an issue with advice given by Ray, so I'm urging you to contact him directly. I never see the guy, so there's not much I can do other than to tell you that complaining on your own message board may make you a hero here, but it won't get much done anywhere else.

I do write for the magazine and I can provide insight as to why some things are done the way they are, but my editorial influence is limited. If you would like to see specific changes in the magazine, I would again urge you to contact Johnny Hunkins, as he calls the shots. I don't anticipate he'd really get overwhelmed with mail, considering I encouraged members of this board to send in pictures of their trucks for Street Heat back in November and only two guys took me up on it.

Increased coverage in our magazine and more support from the aftermarket starts with you the owners. If you don't want more of both, limit your input to this board. If you do happen to reach out to people that can make a difference, make sure you pepper your correspondence with lots of insults and pictures of pimps and other characters. I can see through the BS, but the people in the positions to make meaningful changes won't waste their time.

 

[TurboManiacal]

If it makes you guys feel better, I can accept credit or blame for everything written in the magazine, but the reality is I'm only responsible for a small portion of the editorial content. You guys clearly have an issue with advice given by Ray, so I'm urging you to contact him directly. I never see the guy, so there's not much I can do other than to tell you that complaining on your own message board may make you a hero here, but it won't get much done anywhere else.

I do write for the magazine and I can provide insight as to why some things are done the way they are, but my editorial influence is limited. If you would like to see specific changes in the magazine, I would again urge you to contact Johnny Hunkins, as he calls the shots. I don't anticipate he'd really get overwhelmed with mail, considering I encouraged members of this board to send in pictures of their trucks for Street Heat back in November and only two guys took me up on it.

civil...and nice...and I think we're making progress...I agree with you 100%

Increased coverage in our magazine and more support from the aftermarket starts with you the owners. If you don't want more of both, limit your input to this board. If you do happen to reach out to people that can make a difference,

Holding breath with anticipation....

make sure you pepper your correspondence with lots of insults and pictures of pimps and other characters. I can see through the BS, but the people in the positions to make meaningful changes won't waste their time.

oh damn dawg! Dropped the ball, Pass is incomplete! Shit, I thought we had him...bringing back the flame war. We were almost there to a new level of understanding! Oh well...what can you expect from a millionaire that gets paid to huck a ball around w/ 9 other sweaty grunting men. I'll cower back into submission and continue in my defense of country posture.

 

[tyndago]

Unfortunately magazines are a business.... yes its an information business , but the editors of the magazines are not necessarily the ones that decide content for the magazines.

There are pressures from the advertisers to cover their vehicles - and for more content along the lines of their parts. Back to that business thing.

A magazine like GMHTP is small... really small. I don't know what their exact circ is... but I am actually suprised they are still around. Its a fairly niche market.

Then you have pricks in the forums jumping all over you for things you can't necessarily control. The ad guys probably provide more content than anyone.

If the ones complaining really want to do something - then write some articles. Its really not hard. The photography is harder - but some slide film , and some practice would go a long way.

Write some tech articles , but don't expect something to be published unless its good and pertantent.

Recently I haven't done too much in the Sy/Ty world...my time have been spent on other stuff..... maybe I will get off my ass and write an article or two...

Send some constructive criticism be proactive and do something to change somethings. Magazine editiors are just people.



Sean Morris
02 F 150 - Magnacharged - I hate Fords
92 Ty or 2
91 Sy
86 GN
84 T-Type
96 GT-R I sometimes drive...

 

[MR_MNZTR_SY]

i must appoligize to jim. he is absolutly right. about everything. we do need to get our act together and contact the proper people at the magazine and tell them how we feel as a community. we need to send them our pics and show them that we belong in that magazine. anyways, jim i am sorry. i am going to send your magazine as many pics of pimps and girls doing farm animals as i can find. i hope you will forgive us.

 

[ParTyBoy]

i must appoligize to jim. he is absolutly right. about everything. we do need to get our act together and contact the proper people at the magazine and tell them how we feel as a community. .

At this point I hit the quote button as I thought your reply was heading south...

we need to send them our pics and show them that we belong in that magazine. anyways, jim i am sorry. i am going to send your magazine as many pics of pimps and girls doing farm animals as i can find. i hope you will forgive us.

What do you know?? The reply actually went south after all?? :lol:


I think sean is absolutely correct with his description of how most magazines run... look at maxim, or any Ziff-Davis publication, let alone all the automotive magazines out there... Where I disagree with sean is that while the editors may not always have free-reign to pick and choose content on a majority of the pages... due to pushing by the greedy adverstisers and ad-department, the editors do have the choice to do "research" as any "good" journalist would do... that is a choice they do have... whether an editor or column head chooses to take the time to exercise their ability is all up to them.... and then to print that knowledge is also a choice... In the past Peter Humblias offered GMHTP a silver platter and GMHTP turned him down... That says to me that if GMHTP doesn't like a 10 sec truck then why act like you're interested in the rest of the community... Just doesn't make much sense ....

 

[MR_MNZTR_SY]

yes sir, ParTyBoy.
alls we asked for was that the trucks be given the proper treatment. its not about us its about a vehicle that is the pinical (there we go, trying to sound all smart and dont know how to spell that word) of ealry 90's GMHTP....hell, that truck was the pinical for truck HTP in its time, and still rates up there as one of the best today.
its not about our sometimes cocky attitudes or how much you dislike some of the owners, its about the truck and about you guys recognizing one of the FEW vehicles your mag represents, as a true contendor. c'mon, how many features can you run on camaros, firebirds, and grand nationals???