New GMHTP

[TurboManiacal]

SyTy's getting some recognition.

In Jim Mcllvaine's article he mentions the SyTynationals and the corresponding website. Didn't mention that he's had a rough time on this BB before... :roll:

Page 16:

Owner writes in that his immaculate 170k mile Typhoon is in need of a rebuild. He is looking for a reliable rebuild (heads/cam/chip) that will put him solidly in the 12's

:roll:

Ray T. Bohacz suggests back that he do a "bowl job" on heads but to get a new stock GM camshaft for driveability & emmision issues. He also recommends Forged Pistons. He says that the owner should contact some advertisers Kenne Belle or Fred Vetter at Dynotech "or their suggestions for a turbocharger will work with your budget and the torque converter that is going to be used"

Umm...well then...right-o

 

[dR. jEckLe]

How about you ask them to stop writing anything on sy/ty would that make things better? Damn the only magazine that gives a shit about these trucks and people still complain? Theres less than 10k of these things in the world. You should be glad anyone cares. Im sure that other people feel the same way to being that no one has chimmed in to support you.

 

[Christian Dionne]

I agree with Ryan 100% I didn't say anything, although I read that article quite awhile ago. At least they got the website correct. That suggestion for the engine rebuild is rediculous. If I'm going to spend $300 on a new cam, I damn sure ain't getting a stock one. What's wrong with the used one anyhow? I can write better than any of them dumbasses at GMHTP. I guess I'm too lazy to waste 4 years of my life to get a wortlhless degree, then get bitched at by assholes like myself

 

[TheObiJuan]

well atleast they are giving us some attention regarless of how ridiculous the articles are.

 

[Ian Turgeon]

in case they do point a head this way, I'd like to atleast give them a big thanks for helping us out with the nats info. Sometimes its hard to please everyone and stay in buisness.

 

[ParTyBoy]

IT would be nice if someone would take the time to research before going to print; whether it be collecting up-to-date information on their own or from a trusted/reliable source in the SyTy community rather than giving advice that might have been considered correct 8 years ago...

 

[MR_MNZTR_SY]

while i'll admit it is nice to get some recognition once in a while, its like a slap in the face when they get their information wrong. its like they dont even care. any one see how they like to spell syclone in car and driver? its insulting.

 

[smeagol]

I like how those morons 'build up' a 4.3 to get *gasp* 300hp!! Their article worthy of printing in a huge motorhead magazine going to the masses uses a frickin' carburetor. OMG. I could make more hp with a bad ass turbo buildup by frickin' accident. At least they knew those old style heads were frickin' worthless. They don't even mention the Vortec style heads, or L35 heads.

The least they could have done is researched what Syty guys are using, what has proven good for them. Instead we get an article pretty much saying their ain't shit to do if you want HP from a V6, they are just a V8's little brother. My little frickin' V6 made ~600hp on pump gas, not even hitting 6000 rpm. Any V8 that does that is worthy of a front page in most mags..

If they were building up a carb setup, they could have gone with Vortecs, used the Edelbrock intake for the Vortecs, used a bit bigger cam, gone with slightly more compression, and had 350-450hp. For a street motor on pump gas, not bad.

Ray at GMHTP posted some info that wasn't wholly worthless, but didn't even mention consulting syty.net or syty.org folks... instead go visit some vendors and let them steal yer money. People not wanting your money will always give better advice than those who do want your money.

sorry, i'm pissy.....

 

[SYO237]

free plugs are cool... i gotta start working on a new design for sytynationals.com next year....
ideas welcome...

 

[TurboManiacal]

How about you ask them to stop writing anything on sy/ty would that make things better? Damn the only magazine that gives a shit about these trucks and people still complain? Theres less than 10k of these things in the world. You should be glad anyone cares. Im sure that other people feel the same way to being that no one has chimmed in to support you.

Thanks for coming in here and slam dancing on me. Read the other replies. Did the tech author come in here and ask us what we thought would be a good torque converter? Nope...he said to go talk to Kenne Belle who hasn't done any new engineering for perforance parts for SyTy in 6 - 8 years. The answer? That's easy a TCS from Hartman...pricey but good. He didn't recommend anything in the way of a turbo, like a nice new PT&E 51/52/54 setup. The writer, wanted to get 12's. The author did mention that he may not need a rebuild, but he also didn't mention that many people have gotten 12's from a stock setup. That's okay...gotta plug the sponsors now again...let's just plug the right ones, ones that actually conintue to engineer new stuff for our trucks.

 

[TurboManiacal]

Oh and BTW...I was happier than pigs in shit when I saw the new GMHTP in the bookstore monday. I figure being overseas and all that the delay is upwards of 2 - 3 WEEKS from the states.

 

[dR. jEckLe]

I dint mean to "slam dance" on your post. But for a group with less than 10k owners you should be glad you get any publicity. When was the last time you saw a tech article on a sy/ty. Hate to break it to you but the average person dosnt know nor care about them, and this is who they market to. Ill say it again without GMHTP there would be NO syty coverage........PERIOD. Be careful what you wish for you jsut might get it. If I were one of the writers of this mag and saw the lack of appreciation people had I would stop writing altogether on their vehicles. I bet if one of the sy/ty "guru's" on this board wrote to them and offered to answer the questions they get pertaining to sy/ty they probably would work with them. But you cannot honestly think that they know how to mod every type of car they talk about. Especially the complexity of sy/tys. Shit alot of the owners on this board are stummped I couldnt even imagine being a non owner and commenting. And if you rather them say nothing about sy/ty because they do not know alot about them people will start to complain that they get no coverage. I hate to break it to you but yeah they push the sponsers because without them there would be no magazine. Last I checked there is no kenne bell advertisment so that argument does not work, and I have a subscription and ALWAYS get my mags late but hey its a great magazine and i know they are trying there best.

 

[ParTyBoy]

I dint mean to "slam dance" on your post. But for a group with less than 10k owners you should be glad you get any publicity. When was the last time you saw a tech article on a sy/ty. Hate to break it to you but the average person dosnt know nor care about them, and this is who they market to. Ill say it again without GMHTP there would be NO syty coverage........PERIOD. Be careful what you wish for you jsut might get it. If I were one of the writers of this mag and saw the lack of appreciation people had I would stop writing altogether on their vehicles. I bet if one of the sy/ty "guru's" on this board wrote to them and offered to answer the questions they get pertaining to sy/ty they probably would work with them. But you cannot honestly think that they know how to mod every type of car they talk about. Especially the complexity of sy/tys. Shit alot of the owners on this board are stummped I couldnt even imagine being a non owner and commenting. And if you rather them say nothing about sy/ty because they do not know alot about them people will start to complain that they get no coverage. I hate to break it to you but yeah they push the sponsers because without them there would be no magazine. Last I checked there is no kenne bell advertisment so that argument does not work, and I have a subscription and ALWAYS get my mags late but hey its a great magazine and i know they are trying there best.

That's what research is for.... don't know the answer yourself..?? Then ask someone that's looked up to & respected by the resident community of that particular vehicle for your answers.. Don't print anything just so you can respond.. :wink:

 

[TurboManiacal]

I dint mean to "slam dance" on your post. But for a group with less than 10k owners you should be glad you get any publicity. When was the last time you saw a tech article on a sy/ty. Hate to break it to you but the average person dosnt know nor care about them, and this is who they market to. Ill say it again without GMHTP there would be NO syty coverage........PERIOD. Be careful what you wish for you jsut might get it. If I were one of the writers of this mag and saw the lack of appreciation people had I would stop writing altogether on their vehicles. I bet if one of the sy/ty "guru's" on this board wrote to them and offered to answer the questions they get pertaining to sy/ty they probably would work with them. But you cannot honestly think that they know how to mod every type of car they talk about. Especially the complexity of sy/tys. Shit alot of the owners on this board are stummped I couldnt even imagine being a non owner and commenting. And if you rather them say nothing about sy/ty because they do not know alot about them people will start to complain that they get no coverage. I hate to break it to you but yeah they push the sponsers because without them there would be no magazine. Last I checked there is no kenne bell advertisment so that argument does not work, and I have a subscription and ALWAYS get my mags late but hey its a great magazine and i know they are trying there best.

Granted you have point...so in the interest of all that is good and holy for SyTy...

they have an open letter to Bob Lutz...let's write them an Open letter with what we envision a more correct response should be. Group effort?

 

[Jimmy]

I like how those morons 'build up' a 4.3 to get *gasp* 300hp!! Their article worthy of printing in a huge motorhead magazine going to the masses uses a frickin' carburetor. OMG. I could make more hp with a bad ass turbo buildup by frickin' accident. At least they knew those old style heads were frickin' worthless. They don't even mention the Vortec style heads, or L35 heads.

The least they could have done is researched what Syty guys are using, what has proven good for them. Instead we get an article pretty much saying their ain't shit to do if you want HP from a V6, they are just a V8's little brother. My little frickin' V6 made ~600hp on pump gas, not even hitting 6000 rpm. Any V8 that does that is worthy of a front page in most mags..

If they were building up a carb setup, they could have gone with Vortecs, used the Edelbrock intake for the Vortecs, used a bit bigger cam, gone with slightly more compression, and had 350-450hp. For a street motor on pump gas, not bad.

Ray at GMHTP posted some info that wasn't wholly worthless, but didn't even mention consulting syty.net or syty.org folks... instead go visit some vendors and let them steal yer money. People not wanting your money will always give better advice than those who do want your money.

sorry, i'm pissy.....

That Hot Rod article was a JOKE.So much bad and wrong info that I could not believe they ran that story.
They said CPI came out in 95 "we think" and also forgot to mention the 4.3 was,in fact,available with a turbo.And what about the torque their POS made,like barely 300.PUHLEEZE :roll:
Glad my subscription is free (Thanks Doug) because I'll never buy the rag.

You ought to write them a letter and ream them out good for the team,Brian :evil:

 

[MR_MNZTR_SY]

i dont know about the rest of you, but the syclones and typhoons arent the ONLY cars (well...trucks...) i am into. i love camaros, firebirds, grand prixs, ect. and those mags, DO do a good job covering those cars. our cars are special and unique and hardly anyone has them, which for me is part of the appeal. but when one of our own turns to one of these magazines, that does a good job covering all the other cars they talk about, for some very important info, like how do i run 12's and fix my engine, they expect the same level of accuracy and not some answer rambled off to fill the pages. for all we know, that guy will do EXACTLY what GMHTP told them to because he trusts them and end up being whomped on by guys who know the RIGHT way to do things. this is starting to get long, so to sum things all up.....read what ParTyBoy said.

 

[tyndago]

I like how those morons 'build up' a 4.3 to get *gasp* 300hp!! Their article worthy of printing in a huge motorhead magazine going to the masses uses a frickin' carburetor. OMG. I could make more hp with a bad ass turbo buildup by frickin' accident. At least they knew those old style heads were frickin' worthless. They don't even mention the Vortec style heads, or L35 heads. sorry, i'm pissy.....

Yeah I get lots of magazines every month. All the import stuff , but also things like Car Craft , Popular Hot Rodding , and Hot Rod.

I read that Hot Rod article in the August 2002 issue with a bit of disgust too. They just need to look towards the Syclone/Typhoon guys to find out more about the 4.3 than you could ever learn in that article.

And the friggen thing is carbuerated. Wow 300 hp at 5,500 rpm and 316 ft/lbs of torque @ 4400 rpms.

A stock Sy/Ty motor probably in real life makes around 300 hp and 380 ft lbs of torque at 2800 rpms...

Send some emails to hotrod@primediammg.com

Let them know how to build a 4.3.

Then another thing is the Car Craft article with the 7.4 liter 454 making 780 hp...import killer...if it were making 780 normally aspirated I would be impressed , but blown.... not impressed. We have street Skylines making 500 rwhp out of 2.6 liters and pump gas... lets see - thats 192 hp per liter at the wheel. The 7.4 would have to make 1420 hp to be equivalent.

Turbos and Fuel injection.... where are some of the hill billies and hicks going to learn ?

Sean

 

[myclone]

Turbos and Fuel injection.... where are some of the hill billies and hicks going to learn ?

Sean

HEY.. I heard that.....

 

[MR_MNZTR_SY]

hahaha theres a syclone or 2 out there with a sticker that says "there is a replacement for displacement...its called technology" i guess thats not yours.....

 

[UNIsackV6]

I think for the most part we appreciate the coverage just try and get something right. Most people that drive around 10 year old trucks with stock motors and bolt ons making 400+HP and 500+LBS of torque just aren't interested in a 300HP NA V6. A nice article on mild rebuild with a chip and turbo making almost 600HP and 700+LBS of torque would have been great. If they aren't sure how to do this they should ask, the majority of the people on this board are good people who would be glad to help out. What about an article on some of the big boys like McCoy's SY, Hoover's SY, Dumler's TY, the Ghettosled? Just some thoughts.

Ryan
'92 Ty
OddFyreV6