Syclone in surgery

[RUSTYNAIL]

Re: Syclone in surgery

I will be the test mule then . Their reputation proves they know how to build quality but as you say, that reputation is established on 2WD builds, which generates less heat and often, heat is the big killer on a transmission. Let's see what their work holds up to with AWD. I've always been hard-headed I guess but I am convinced they have tested and proven their product to support their claims. I don't part with $$$ too easy unless I am convinced beyond a reasonable doubt.

I assure you that you will be very happy with your decision and hope that you will share with the rest of the community.

 

[bezerk]

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heat doesn't kill it. it's torq and traction!

waller has been known to build 700r4's into the proven 10''s and some 9''s ....i do believe they are weaker than the 4l80E, but than again. if you are on a budget

 

[RUSTYNAIL]

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heat doesn't kill it. it's torq and traction!

waller has been known to build 700r4's into the proven 10''s and some 9''s ....i do believe they are weaker than the 4l80E, but than again. if you are on a budget

When using factory components traction and torque does kill them. Once built properly, heat along with improper tuning is the root cause of most failures.

 

[bezerk]

Re: Syclone in surgery

When using factory components traction and torque does kill them. Once built properly, heat along with improper tuning is the root cause of most failures.

agreed in someway. but you can build a 600HP car. AWD or 2WD. on the strip both are getting a beating, on the streets??? 600hp car 2wd on the street is fun. but the tires are wearing out.
on the street with an AWD..you know how is goes, amaze people. so street is strip, strip is street.

 

[JSM]

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I think this rustynail guy might have some insight.

 

[eviltwin]

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The 60E is a direct bolt-on and they claim their top of the line 60E is better than a factory 80E.

a factory low milage 4l80e can be found for $500. input shaft $500. new front shaft and shorten rear $500. adapter $195. crossmember $275. so with out a controller your into the trans barely $2000 without a new convertor that you need anyways. why not just go with a proven trans for syty's?

 

[jpalmer]

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a factory low millage 4l80e can be found for $500. input shaft $500. new front shaft and shorten rear $500. adapter $195. cross member $275. so with out a controller your into the trans barely $2000 without a new converter that you need anyways. why not just go with a proven trans for syty's?

To add to this, the cross member can be made if you have simple fabricating skills and tools at hand. A billet torque converter can be had for $750 bucks(lock up), and if you wait around for the right deals, the other stuff can be found cheaper from dead/changed projects. Thats 2100 for everything you need plus controller. And if your cheap, throw a manual valve body into it for 300 instead of the 500 controller.

 

[REVEREND HARMON]

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Switching gears; are you and Jeremy coming to the Shindig? Hoping so. I am taking my X-cross ace in the hole and need someone to hand Harmon cleanex's and console him while I am on the course . If I can't conquer him in the Lap 1 Ty, it will definately be attributed to driver headspace and timing. If that happens, can I toss you the keys and see what the truck is really capable of?

Lmao....make sure to bring your pillow, you will need it when you are curled up in the fetal position on the ground sucking your thumb from the shock and awe of the burple machine!..

Gitterdunn :tup:

 

[Sy Guy 0024]

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Are people really doing these swaps for $2k (not including cost of convertor)? Maybe they just aren't posting up, but I've not seen anyone come close to that. Take the thread Quickstop did on his, it was around $6300. If it is only $2k, then why is anyone even fooling with the 700 anymore?

I realize Quickstop did rebuild his and you are talking about a used trans. For me personally though, there is no way I would go to the trouble of swapping in an 80E with a used trans. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but with my luck my used trans would be no good and/or crap out shortly down the road. I hate crawling under my truck, so I'd have to have a fresh trans to put in. So I would be looking at $2500 for a fresh built 80E, probably add $500 to that since I have no core. Input shafts are $675, not $500. adapter $195. crossmember $275. controller $850. New trans lines $150. driveshafts $500. Then you have to install the output shaft into the trans. I've never done that, don't know if I'd be comfy doing that. So I'd have to pay someone. I've never tried to setup the trans controller either, I'd probably have to try to find someone to do that too. $800-$1000 for a converter. I'd have to pay shipping charges for all the crap too, probably $100 at least. Don't you need a new $75 shifter cable too? So for me, I couldn't come any where near $2k.

I talked to Rodney in person, he promised I'd be happy with the 4l60. My Ty is no powder puff either, not the fastest in the world but I am shooting for low 11s/high 10s. I'm willing to give him a chance. I'm not sure why there's so much negativity towards some of us trying something different than an 80E. How bout a little encouragement instead? I'd think people would be interested to see if there is a viable option out there besides an 80E? And hey, it's our money being put up as the guinea pigs, so follow along, enjoy the experiment, and see how it goes. :tup:

That being said, Rodney I'm thinking about just bringing my truck up there and having you R&R the trans since it's only $350. I don't know that I even want to fool with it for that much.

 

[RUSTYNAIL]

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Are people really doing these swaps for $2k (not including cost of convertor)? Maybe they just aren't posting up, but I've not seen anyone come close to that. Take the thread Quickstop did on his, it was around $6300. If it is only $2k, then why is anyone even fooling with the 700 anymore?

I realize Quickstop did rebuild his and you are talking about a used trans. For me personally though, there is no way I would go to the trouble of swapping in an 80E with a used trans. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but with my luck my used trans would be no good and/or crap out shortly down the road. I hate crawling under my truck, so I'd have to have a fresh trans to put in. So I would be looking at $2500 for a fresh built 80E, probably add $500 to that since I have no core. Input shafts are $675, not $500. adapter $195. crossmember $275. controller $850. New trans lines $150. driveshafts $500. Then you have to install the output shaft into the trans. I've never done that, don't know if I'd be comfy doing that. So I'd have to pay someone. I've never tried to setup the trans controller either, I'd probably have to try to find someone to do that too. $800-$1000 for a converter. I'd have to pay shipping charges for all the crap too, probably $100 at least. Don't you need a new $75 shifter cable too? So for me, I couldn't come any where near $2k.

I talked to Rodney in person, he promised I'd be happy with the 4l60. My Ty is no powder puff either, not the fastest in the world but I am shooting for low 11s/high 10s. I'm willing to give him a chance. I'm not sure why there's so much negativity towards some of us trying something different than an 80E. How bout a little encouragement instead? I'd think people would be interested to see if there is a viable option out there besides an 80E? And hey, it's our money being put up as the guinea pigs, so follow along, enjoy the experiment, and see how it goes. :tup:

That being said, Rodney I'm thinking about just bringing my truck up there and having you R&R the trans since it's only $350. I don't know that I even want to fool with it for that much.

It was nice talking with you last week, feel free to give us a call and set-up an install appointment. Here is a link to a video recorded Saturday of my Z06 I showed you in the trailer. This was the first pass of the day and later on in the evening it went 9.482 @ 144.50mph. This was all done witha 4L60E and a factory build LS7.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vNEo5nwglA

 

[Sy Guy 0024]

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Damn. Thanks for the tour, man. Cool cars everywhere you look! I still think you have too many personal rides, best bet is to sell me one of those TTAs real cheap. I'l drop TJ a line about coming back up.

Corbin

PS Alot is mentiond about how the AWD is hard on the trans. Isn't one of your employees running mid-11s in his Silverado SS, something like 5500lbs on a 4L60?

 

[RUSTYNAIL]

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Damn. Thanks for the tour, man. Cool cars everywhere you look! I still think you have too many personal rides, best bet is to sell me one of those TTAs real cheap. I'l drop TJ a line about coming back up.

Corbin

PS Alot is mentiond about how the AWD is hard on the trans. Isn't one of your employees running mid-11s in his Silverado SS, something like 5500lbs on a 4L60?

Yes sir my automatic builder does have a Silverado SS that runs mid 11's and is AWD. We have built so many TBSS's transmissions that make more power than his that are AWD also. When you were there did you notice the red TBSS that was out front? It has a forged 402ci with a 76mm turbo making 800awhp! Talk about a blast to drive, to bad the customer came and picked it up today.

Here is an all motor pass trying to run the 12.00 index

http://www.challengevideos.com/vide...mv&title=Jason+Stephenson++v.+Frankie+Radake+

 

[RUSTYNAIL]

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I still think you have too many personal rides, best bet is to sell me one of those TTAs real cheap.

I would entertain an offer on the cloth/hardtop TTA but it wouldn't be cheap. LOL

 

[cloneman315]

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what is the difference between these trans he is building(4l60) and a 700r4?

 

[RUSTYNAIL]

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what is the difference between these trans he is building(4l60) and a 700r4?

The 4L60E is an electronically controlled transmission which does not rely on a TV cable to control line pressure or a governor to control shift points. Shifting parameters such as upshifts,downshifts,and TCC are all controled via a programmable electronic control module that moniters vechicle speed,throttle position,engine RPM,transmission fluid temp,and MAP pressure. Very reliable and repeatable shift quaility.

 

[T-Bone]

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heat doesn't kill it. it's torq and traction!

I agree with alot of what you post but you are wrong on this post. Torque and traction generate heat. Why are aftermarket tranny oil coolers so highly recommended on modded vehicles? Why is it recommended not to tow with a Syclone/Typhoon? I am betting the reason why is not HP or traction. It is the repeated shifting that occurs and subsequently generates heat, which cooks a tranny. This is the very reason hot lapping is a ridiculous idea....intense heat is generated, not necessarily to the engine but primarily to the tranny. We can agree to disagree, I guess but I know enough about physics to deduce the common contributor to tranny failure in performance vehicles .

Lmao....make sure to bring your pillow, you will need it when you are curled up in the fetal position on the ground sucking your thumb from the shock and awe of the burple machine!..

Hope it isn't burping on the course. I haven't heard all your excuses but I anticipate you will have plenty on hand that Saturday. If I played nice, I'd let you win on the 1/8 mile track Friday night so we end up 50/50 for the weekend but I'm gonna let the Ty smoke the burple's bags there as well.....if you think your Sy can stand up to the brutality 2 days in a row.

Seriously though, I am anxious to meet you and the other guys from down south. I enjoy reading your all's posts and it will be nice to put names with faces. Will be fun to stretch the Ty's legs and see what it'll do. I am almost convinced it will perform some clean-up ops on cloneman315's Syclone (he could very well be the fastest attendee IMO). All in all, it's gonna be a fantastic event!!!

 

[cloneman315]

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I am thinking out loud here,So it is just a electronic version of the 700?Is that really going to be the deal breaker to make one live?Over say a well built plain 700 non electronic?

 

[RUSTYNAIL]

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I am thinking out loud here,So it is just a electronic version of the 700?Is that really going to be the deal breaker to make one live?Over say a well built plain 700 non electronic?

700R4's typically fail because of poor line pressure control causing burnt 3-4 clutches and or the band. The shift points are difficult to taylor where you want them via governor weights and/or springs. Everyone says to get a 4L80E which has electronically controlled line pressue and shift points making it a nice reliable transmission. I imagine you would hear of many 4L80E failures if the transmission was controlled by a TV cable and had a governor. The 700's that have failed hard parts are typically a result of harsh shifting caused by excessive line pressure,blocked accumulators,etc.... When the parts that normally fail are replaced with upgraded parts (sleeved input drum,molded pistons,latest input sprag,upgraded sun shell,5or 6 pinion planets,billet servos,billet shafts,etc...) and the transmission pressure control is smooth and the shift points are set properly, you will have a nice working transmission that will survive to some good power.

 

[T-Bone]

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Are people really doing these swaps for $2k (not including cost of convertor)?

That being said, Rodney I'm thinking about just bringing my truck up there and having you R&R the trans since it's only $350. I don't know that I even want to fool with it for that much.

That quote is tripping over deals that could take months to reach fruition. The DIY common base price for a quality 4L80E total conversion is $4500. Show me a low mileage "warrantied" 4L80E anywhere for $500....I'd rather have a professional built 60E with 0 miles, a warranty and quality install over a junkyard special that could last a couple runs. To each his own though. My money is on RPM all the way.

Smart move on letting them do it. $350 is a favor to us IMO for a tranny R/R and we don't have to worry about missing a component or possible under/over torque on the reinstall. They are very good at what they do and their work enviroment is clean. That really impressed me!

 

[cloneman315]

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Never looked into it,but it makes sense,So if we do the labor,what is aprox turn key for trans,converter and controller?