Power is back

[Nova67ss]

Re: Power is back

i know anders knows everything and he could tune our trucks on the fly? of give us info if somebody needed help on the board

Ask Q´s about Chevy Nova´s I got my brain in these cars and NA V8 engines then I´ll give U alot of info

On Roberts Sy?? I noo noothiing about that truck ;D

 

[T-Bone]

Re: Power is back

I have seen fast RWD car that leave a good chirp at 100mph, if you were behind him you would see 100 feet of rubber.

Been there as well but the marks are no where close to as dark as these and quickly fade with distance.

One thing is you have made the assumption that he spun the tire right off the line, I suspect the tires broke loose after he was already going like in the middle of 1st gear or at the 1-2 shift. I don't think Robert's Sy is in the 7's by any means, and he hasn't made that claim,

To go 2.8 0-60, yes...my assumption is he had to build boost at the line and get a terrific launch. How you peel those numbers losing traction is beyond me! To reason he broke loose at the 1-2 shift and stayed in the throttle spinning into D and beyond isn't logical to me, but I have been known to be wrong before. Also, if the break in traction occurred while on the move, the marks would get progressively darker for 10-15 feet wherein these don't. Still need visual convincing this wasn't done in either RWD or FWD because those tracks are too true and too long :tup:

 

[NecroWolf]

Re: Power is back

i would like to hear more on his chassis setup, if they're tracking that straight now i'm sure there is some good information there

 

[bezerk]

Re: Power is back

ok..
really love the bad ass truck. and robert did alot of work getting to run a sy that fast really..
big props for that!!!

but here is my thing;
(i know that bullysyclone did exactly the same thing and you hated them for that)
never seen a post where you guys helped somebody with some syty problems, or were offering advice.
looks to me like you are in here for the bragging rights.
sorry man...i'm dutch and too honest for not saying this.

and as far as the details about the truck.....
yes i saw it has a turbo.. an A2A intercooler bowtieblock...use nos for spool up. and still AWD...but so are all the track trucks...not sharing knowledge...not saying you need to..but admit it...in here for the bragging rights? or in here to have a good time.. without having the additude to be above all of us.

 

[alwayswantedone]

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WOW!

I enjoy the updates and seeing how Roberts truck is doing. He has one of the fastest syty's and enjoys running it and lets us know about how he does. I really don't see the problem. I do not sense a attitude or take him for a shit talker. I also found him to be very nice in person at Nats 06. Keep up the updates and good luck with your sy's mrsyclone.

 

[LIL QIK]

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I can enjoy the fact that Robert's a good guy and all. But I can also see what Bezerk is talking about. The purpose of the forum (atleast what I'm thinking) is to help each other with our truck. To make everyone's SyTy the king of the streets in there area. And there are a few people on this board that are definitely like that. They are ready to answer what ever questions you might have...give whatever infomation is necessary to help out. But Robert has never appeared to be one of them. A lot of people wonder what it takes to get a truck like that to turn what Roberts does. But Robert nor Anders has offered any kind of specs on a setup in any fashion of the word. Basically the only thing that appears to come out is "you'll have to figure it out for yourself" or something like that. I can appreciate what Robert has done....but can definitely see where Bezerk is coming from. I've thought the same thing myself quite a few times. There's more to being a part of a community other than bragging about how long a record has stood....or sucking up everyones admiration. I'm sure I'll get flamed for some of this....but I guess I just had to let it go....lol.

Don't get me wrong Robert....your truck is awesome....and other people have told me how cool you are in person. I just feel that the whole point of a board like this is to help each other out and make everyone fast. And yea...I know you're not the only secretive person out there.....but you are the one on top and the one everyone seems to wonder about the most. Congrats on the accomplishment, I will be watching.

Dave

 

[the baPhoon]

Re: Power is back

Honestly, how can you make a faster truck without having someone run a time near yours? If it were me i would leak a few secrets out just in the sport of competition. Its MUCH easier to get out of the 8's if there are more then ONE person running them. IM sure Don Garlett didnt keep any secrets in his racing career just for the sake of sportsmanship. If he had, who knows if we would have funny cars running 4's or not. Whats to make someone push themselves into another time braket if noone else if close?

 

[K5Cruz]

Re: Power is back

I can enjoy the fact that Robert's a good guy and all. But I can also see what Bezerk is talking about. The purpose of the forum (atleast what I'm thinking) is to help each other with our truck. To make everyone's SyTy the king of the streets in there area. And there are a few people on this board that are definitely like that. They are ready to answer what ever questions you might have...give whatever infomation is necessary to help out. But Robert has never appeared to be one of them. A lot of people wonder what it takes to get a truck like that to turn what Roberts does. But Robert nor Anders has offerend any kind of specs on a setup in any fashion of the word. Basically the only thing that appears to come out is "you'll have to figure it out for yourself" or something like that. I can appreciate what Robert has done....but can definitely see where Bezerk is coming from. I've thought the same thing myself quite a few times. There's more to being a part of a community other than bragging about how long a record has stood....or sucking up everyones admiration. I'm sure I'll get flamed for some of this....but I guess I just had to let it go....lol.

Don't get me wrong Robert....your truck is awesome....and other people have told me how cool you are in person. I just feel that the whole point of a board like this is to help each other out and make everyone fast. And yea...I know you're not the only secretive person out there.....but you are the one on top and the one everyone seems to wonder about the most. Congrats on the accomplishment will be watching.

Dave

I think a lot of what Robert is saying about his truck is lost in translation honestly. When I see someone asking him for specs the same thing comes to mind, someone wanting to know exactly what he did to copy it. I'm sure there are a few combinations he has found that work well for different driving styles, and as we all know none of these trucks are alike. I think his 'find out for yourself' speech shows this. I dont think it is so much him being secretive, its that he knows that his setup wont work exactly the same for everyone. And obviously he isnt going to share all of his secrets, there are some other very fast trucks right behind him that he has to hold off.

I guess it gets lonely at the top, everyone wants a piece of the fastest truck of the group and its owner. I'm honestly surprised every time I see him post being that his truck is so much faster and has so much more money in it than 99% of us do in our trucks we really dont have much tech advise to offer him on his build, which may explain why he doesnt offer much tech advice.

Regardless, his truck is Bad Ass and is great for the SyTy and V6 community alike. He posts cool pictures like this that motivate us to get our junk running and stir good old fashioned debates between believers and non believers. So Robert thanks for the cool pictures, and good luck getting that thing solidly in the 8's. Off my soap box.

 

[Black Knight]

Re: Power is back

I can enjoy the fact that Robert's a good guy and all. But I can also see what Bezerk is talking about. The purpose of the forum (atleast what I'm thinking) is to help each other with our truck. To make everyone's SyTy the king of the streets in there area. And there are a few people on this board that are definitely like that. They are ready to answer what ever questions you might have...give whatever infomation is necessary to help out. But Robert has never appeared to be one of them. A lot of people wonder what it takes to get a truck like that to turn what Roberts does. But Robert nor Anders has offerend any kind of specs on a setup in any fashion of the word. Basically the only thing that appears to come out is "you'll have to figure it out for yourself" or something like that. I can appreciate what Robert has done....but can definitely see where Bezerk is coming from. I've thought the same thing myself quite a few times. There's more to being a part of a community other than bragging about how long a record has stood....or sucking up everyones admiration. I'm sure I'll get flamed for some of this....but I guess I just had to let it go....lol.

Don't get me wrong Robert....your truck is awesome....and other people have told me how cool you are in person. I just feel that the whole point of a board like this is to help each other out and make everyone fast. And yea...I know you're not the only secretive person out there.....but you are the one on top and the one everyone seems to wonder about the most. Congrats on the accomplishment will be watching.

Dave

To some degree he has given out alot of info IMHO. If you search his or Ander's posts you'll find just enough. There's the video of his new build, he's mentioned his turbo size a couple times, what fuel he's running, what trans he's using, multiple intercooler pics.

I mean seriously, what are you looking for besides an exact breakdown of who, what, where, and why? He actually competes with his truck and you have to remember this is PUBLIC forum, so anyone of his competiton can see this.

Personally I'm happy with any and all info he even desides to share with us :2cents:

Good luck in '08 BADASS :tup:

 

[JSM]

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Building a fast truck is more than just what parts you buy. Lots of people want a shopping list in hopes they can buy/install and be fast. It just isnt that easy.

I have driven his truck, rode in it and seen it in detail. There is no magic flux capacitor hidden under the seat. It is simply years of hard work, trial and error and tuning, tuning and more tuning. Tuning is a lot more than a computer.

I know there are trucks out there with not much work have the parts to run real close times but for various reasons you dont see them at the track trying but parked in garages. Timeslips come from a track not a garage.

I guess I am confused on what people want to know? It is all there to see. Are you looking for a personal phone call detailing it all, special mail package with part #'s?

 

[bezerk]

Re: Power is back

yes, waiting for him to sent me a parts list with some money so i can copy his build.....

like i mentioned he has alot of money in that truck, and i don't see his truck being copied.
Jhacking ran 9's on a stock block. all the details were there to see.

and as far as being confused what i/ we want to know?
i don't want to know nothing, i just want to know why they joined the forum to post cool pics and timeslips. and further nothing?
when did they go with a bowtie, when did the 700r4 got changed (at what powerlevel) etc.
share some knowledge, that what we are here for...

if i had a billion of dollars, and went too www.how2bcomemillionaires.com. posting how cool everything is i own. and if people asked me how i became the money. i would silence up and be sercret about it.

each of their own serious.

 

[Nova67ss]

Re: Power is back

ok..
really love the bad ass truck. and robert did alot of work getting to run a sy that fast really..
big props for that!!!

but here is my thing;
(i know that bullysyclone did exactly the same thing and you hated them for that)
never seen a post where you guys helped somebody with some syty problems, or were offering advice.
looks to me like you are in here for the bragging rights.
sorry man...i'm dutch and too honest for not saying this.

and as far as the details about the truck.....
yes i saw it has a turbo.. an A2A intercooler bowtieblock...use nos for spool up. and still AWD...but so are all the track trucks...not sharing knowledge...not saying you need to..but admit it...in here for the bragging rights? or in here to have a good time.. without having the additude to be above all of us.

Ok my young friend. we where at the nats-06 we had a great time and we did meet John (Bully Syclone) Matt Hoover could´nt come he sold his truck after the 8 was gone hes a nice chapp but could´nt give the tire size on his truck....Ed Hess whom I personaly realy wanted to meet we had som head buts on this forum in a friendly mannors with great respeckt for eacth other, and the PM´s U never did read confirmed the respect and good intend bouth with us an Ed and Matt.

The "Bully syclon bowling team popcorn machine" is another story but U got alot on the wrong foot again, search on the subjekt because I wont open that can of worms anny more
nuff said about that

About braggin rights... Robert ben on the top for more than 7 years, do U think he needs to brag?? though he realy earned the RIGHT TO DO SO.

Abot sharing, Robert did the first 4L80e convention and gave all the spec to a couple of friends here at the forum I think all who asked in PM did get them and even some that asked if they could use his idea to go buissnes with the manufactoring, witch Roberd did OK on and alot of other small thing..

Ask Jeff about us, ask Jeremy Duncan about charing info and trix on sy racing, and he´s a good racer to start with so everything is shared back and forse ideas is bounced

I think U find most of the people that meet us on nats -06 found us to bee nice and fun people

So please read up or search on subject before "being too honest not saying" etc

To some degree he has given out alot of info IMHO. If you search his or Ander's posts you'll find just enough. There's the video of his new build, he's mentioned his turbo size a couple times, what fuel he's running, what trans he's using, multiple intercooler pics.

I mean seriously, what are you looking for besides an exact breakdown of who, what, where, and why? He actually competes with his truck and you have to remember this is PUBLIC forum, so anyone of his competiton can see this.

Personally I'm happy with any and all info he even desides to share with us :2cents:

Good luck in '08 BADASS :tup:

Thanks Black Knight
This is so true LOTS OF INFO on Roberts truck is to be foun here on threads AND ON ROBERTS SITE but not all he still wants to be the top cat around AWD here in Sweden.

yes, waiting for him to sent me a parts list with some money so i can copy his build.....

like i mentioned he has alot of money in that truck, and i don't see his truck being copied.
Jhacking ran 9's on a stock block. all the details were there to see.

and as far as being confused what i/ we want to know?
i don't want to know nothing, i just want to know why they joined the forum to post cool pics and timeslips. and further nothing?
when did they go with a bowtie, when did the 700r4 got changed (at what powerlevel) etc.
share some knowledge, that what we are here for...

if i had a billion of dollars, and went too www.how2bcomemillionaires.com. posting how cool everything is i own. and if people asked me how i became the money. i would silence up and be sercret about it.

each of their own serious.

The maximum power lvl on a Th700r4 is comon knowledge U dont need Roberts saying that above 650-700 Hp depending on vehicle/weight and Tq its bye bye.

Bowtie block?realy I dont know, lots of things on Bad Ass I dont know jack s**t about... go to Roberts site take a tour in picks and gallery U find alot


Bore/stroke??the bore is now 4.04 and stroke we tested was 3.48 and 3.75 theres lithle to it just changing the RPM on where U do power, its common knowledge about this to, as Jeff said theres no "flux capasitator" under the seat. Its HARD WORK AND TESTING,TUNING over and over again

Once again Its not only the engine that gives the fast times, its the total combination on tire size, gearing, chassie settings, converter choise together with engine AND TUNING that gives results.

Well, let's get reasonable. If your claim of 2.6 0-60 is accurate with the loss of traction exhibited, then a 1.8 0-60 is surely reasonable if you could hook up. With that velocity, you should be conquering the 1/4 mile in 6.8 - 7.3 seconds. I recall Robert's quickest 1/4 time in the high 8's (on foreign soil, of course, and supported with video) and every 1/10th second faster in that time bracket requires cumbersome patience, mega talent and money. No doubt he possesses all three but to convince me you guys are already in the low 7's running AWD will take video proof :tup:

Robert nor I have said annything down to 7 sec lvl with Bad Ass, Its a street driven truck we want to drive down in 8sec lvl and we know it will the time we could hook up. last weekend in Norway the IC was burst so "no cigar" but a good 9.10@147 Mph
http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=59063

The idea of getting a RACE SY down in the 7 sec lvl was a pure Race Sy idea that Robert chared with U here on this forum, as a dream to aim for in future builds..

We did a airstrip (a sanctioned streetrace with "one day at the trac" the biggest motor magazine in sweden toghether with the Swedish car race assosiation (Svenska bilsportsförbundet)) race this saturday lots of vids and time cards on a Non prepped "street track" safety reason made it an airstrip

Ur in for a surprice soon.

 

[Nova67ss]

Re: Power is back

i would like to hear more on his chassis setup, if they're tracking that straight now i'm sure there is some good information there

I could tell U Roberts setup but its not more hokus pokus or special trix to this than a comon camero or other racecar..

What is a AWD?? its a FWD combined with a RWD

How does a FWD goes fast??
How does a RWD goes fast??

Do a 4 wheel alignement set up the wheels to track straight and U´r 1/4 done

Combine thes factors with springrate and a good dampner setup and Ur ½ done,

then like other race cars they have all different setups depending on RWD/FWD weight and length.U have to combine these BUT Ur setup/parts are different than Roberts so U will not be helped from these specs U have to messure your truck for getting at the specs to work with
Most of the ideas is from the chassis book by Dave Morgan,and I was lucky enough to be able to go to a chassie seminar for Dave Morgan to that helped alot

 

[bezerk]

Re: Power is back

i know you were at the nats. and i know alot of people telling that you guys rock IRL.
and as for searching and all, i joined this baord 2 yr's before you all did. so i prolly read most of the stories yes....

appearantly i'm on the wrong foot with everything.
and as far as PM's how the hell should i know what pm's got written about everything.
i just never seen anybody of you guys posting in public to help a board member...and that's a fact.
bragging rights.....nope. he deserved them that's for sure. but the posts that are made are all about how fast the truck is. or a timeslip...that's all i see when i read posts made by you guys.
if you think i'm dissing you or the way you deal with everything. i don't.
i just think i needed to vent my story. and prolly ain't the only one out there.
this is just something how I see it. i see it like you are here to let everybody see how kick ass that truck is.
there were prolly plenty of issues with that truck going from 12's to a high 8's truck
alot of that issues can be vaulted so that somebody else has an issue, he can read up your story so he doesn't need invent the wheel the second time.
if you think that's weird to do. don't do it. but robert his Sy is running that fast cause he also learned some stuff from somebody else. if everybody was that silence about everything...teh FAST management would never have excisted. still kicking around with the old propshaft. don't know how to tune, and everybody needed to find out the weak spots on theor own.
this is a SyTy board for fans and owners to make it easier and cooler and our trucks faster and more relaiable............
what is teh reason you signed up in here?? maybe if you can explain that. i can see the light.
i joined the board cause i fell in love with these trucks. and wanted to know more....affter buying the first one i learned a shitload. and willing to pass my info to somebody else.

there you go my old friend...

 

[Nova67ss]

Re: Power is back

Then I have no more info to give, I know alot about Nova´s but hardly nothing more about Sy/Ty than AWD V6 and single turbo..

The rest is just comon race/street race knowledge.

Bye.

 

[bezerk]

Re: Power is back

this is a SyTy board for fans and owners to make it easier and cooler and our trucks faster and more relaiable............
what is teh reason you signed up in here?? maybe if you can explain that. i can see the light.

that's it.

 

[NOJIMMY]

Re: Power is back

...A Very Interesting Discussion. Guess I attribute some of the lack/wealth of personal details
in this thread to the following:

-In the "old" days racers like Guy Levy, Lee Howie, and the McCoys never gave DETAILS on their builds. They just "appeared" at tracks, and in magazines, on forums with fast trucks.
-In the "semi-old" days racers like the Hoovers, Ed Hess, Bully Syclone, and Robert gave "general" highlights of their trucks. If you ask specific info, they responded (perhaps sometimes in PMs).
-And lastly, in the "present-day world" guys like Marty, Scott, and Ghetto Sled give in depth details about their builds. Marty is a prime example of telling you everything (even though none of us has the $$$ to come close to building a copy of what he's done - ...lol).

I can see the "scope of information" dependent upon whether you make a living off of these trucks (say
Waller for instance, who may not have the time, patience, nor profit motive to give away "everything");
whether your sponsors need/want attention (anyone SEMA related for instance); whether your a casual hobbiest
(like some of recent posting where your not able to consistently run your best times and might
be a bit embarrassed by the lack of money/explanation/details); or "sadly" a bit devious
(earning a living off of street racing and can't afford "telling" everyone they actually run an oddfire vs an evenfire bowtie).

I purposely did not include owners who NEVER publish on this site (because their reasons may
very due to computer skills; a general reluctance to participate in any group setting; a
stubborness or unwillingness to care about other owners; or just a bad encounters from being flamed).

I salute the resonses in this particular thread because in years-gone-bye discussions like this became hostile.
So while it may not have resolved any differences, you were able to state your opinions, likes,
and preferences without hurting anyone. This didn't always happen on this forum or past email broadcasts.
So whether your a owner who "ships his syclone to the US for viewing, discussion, and racing"
or dares to share their thoughts publicly "with intimate photos of their construction, painting, and
mods, successes and failures" I as a complete dummy enjoy both!

Hats off to the Syclone/Typhoon owners, builders, and wrenchers who "try" and make the attempt to communicate to the rest of us.
Since these vehicles do not have the production numbers of buicks, cameros/firebirds, mustangs,
or corvettes we could not exist in an environment where no one read/talk/heard the tales of similar SyTy owners.
It boosts membership, vehicle attention, ownership vision, and event attendance (all which is good).
I don't have to know how to make a cake (or have the ingredients) to enjoys its fruits!

-just my thoughts
Larry

 

[Nova67ss]

Re: Power is back

...A Very Interesting Discussion. Guess I attribute some of the lack/wealth of personal details
in this thread to the following:

-In the "old" days racers like Guy Levy, Lee Howie, and the McCoys never gave DETAILS on their builds. They just "appeared" at tracks, and in magazines, on forums with fast trucks.
-In the "semi-old" days racers like the Hoovers, Ed Hess, Bully Syclone, and Robert gave "general" highlights of their trucks. If you ask specific info, they responded (perhaps sometimes in PMs).
-And lastly, in the "present-day world" guys like Marty, Scott, and Ghetto Sled give in depth details about their builds. Marty is a prime example of telling you everything (even though none of us has the $$$ to come close to building a copy of what he's done - ...lol).

I can see the "scope of information" dependent upon whether you make a living off of these trucks (say
Waller for instance, who may not have the time, patience, nor profit motive to give away "everything");
whether your sponsors need/want attention (anyone SEMA related for instance); whether your a casual hobbiest
(like some of recent posting where your not able to consistently run your best times and might
be a bit embarrassed by the lack of money/explanation/details); or "sadly" a bit devious
(earning a living off of street racing and can't afford "telling" everyone they actually run an oddfire vs an evenfire bowtie).

I purposely did not include owners who NEVER publish on this site (because their reasons may
very due to computer skills; a general reluctance to participate in any group setting; a
stubborness or unwillingness to care about other owners; or just a bad encounters from being flamed).

I salute the resonses in this particular thread because in years-gone-bye discussions like this became hostile.
So while it may not have resolved any differences, you were able to state your opinions, likes,
and preferences without hurting anyone. This didn't always happen on this forum or past email broadcasts.
So whether your a owner who "ships his syclone to the US for viewing, discussion, and racing"
or dares to share their thoughts publicly "with intimate photos of their construction, painting, and
mods, successes and failures" I as a complete dummy enjoy both!

Hats off to the Syclone/Typhoon owners, builders, and wrenchers who "try" and make the attempt to communicate to the rest of us.
Since these vehicles do not have the production numbers of buicks, cameros/firebirds, mustangs,
or corvettes we could not exist in an environment where no one read/talk/heard the tales of similar SyTy owners.
It boosts membership, vehicle attention, ownership vision, and event attendance (all which is good).
I don't have to know how to make a cake (or have the ingredients) to enjoys its fruits!

-just my thoughts
Larry

Thanks, a god one.

 

[NecroWolf]

Re: Power is back

I could tell U Roberts setup but its not more hokus pokus or special trix to this than a comon camero or other racecar..

What is a AWD?? its a FWD combined with a RWD

How does a FWD goes fast??
How does a RWD goes fast??

Do a 4 wheel alignement set up the wheels to track straight and U´r 1/4 done

Combine thes factors with springrate and a good dampner setup and Ur ½ done,

then like other race cars they have all different setups depending on RWD/FWD weight and length.U have to combine these BUT Ur setup/parts are different than Roberts so U will not be helped from these specs U have to messure your truck for getting at the specs to work with
Most of the ideas is from the chassis book by Dave Morgan,and I was lucky enough to be able to go to a chassie seminar for Dave Morgan to that helped alot

i din't expect spring rates or anything. hell i run a ty so it wouldn't work for me anyways. at all. i'm just curious about a couple things. if you wanna say cool if not no biggie. i'm guessing adjustable shocks front and rear. w/ coil overs in the front right? you still have leaf springs in the back or did you four/three link it? that is a good point, treating it like a fwd setup and a rwd setup.

 

[LIL QIK]

Re: Power is back

...A Very Interesting Discussion. Guess I attribute some of the lack/wealth of personal details
in this thread to the following:

-In the "old" days racers like Guy Levy, Lee Howie, and the McCoys never gave DETAILS on their builds. They just "appeared" at tracks, and in magazines, on forums with fast trucks.
-In the "semi-old" days racers like the Hoovers, Ed Hess, Bully Syclone, and Robert gave "general" highlights of their trucks. If you ask specific info, they responded (perhaps sometimes in PMs).
-And lastly, in the "present-day world" guys like Marty, Scott, and Ghetto Sled give in depth details about their builds. Marty is a prime example of telling you everything (even though none of us has the $$$ to come close to building a copy of what he's done - ...lol).

I can see the "scope of information" dependent upon whether you make a living off of these trucks (say
Waller for instance, who may not have the time, patience, nor profit motive to give away "everything");
whether your sponsors need/want attention (anyone SEMA related for instance); whether your a casual hobbiest
(like some of recent posting where your not able to consistently run your best times and might
be a bit embarrassed by the lack of money/explanation/details); or "sadly" a bit devious
(earning a living off of street racing and can't afford "telling" everyone they actually run an oddfire vs an evenfire bowtie).

I purposely did not include owners who NEVER publish on this site (because their reasons may
very due to computer skills; a general reluctance to participate in any group setting; a
stubborness or unwillingness to care about other owners; or just a bad encounters from being flamed).

I salute the resonses in this particular thread because in years-gone-bye discussions like this became hostile.
So while it may not have resolved any differences, you were able to state your opinions, likes,
and preferences without hurting anyone. This didn't always happen on this forum or past email broadcasts.
So whether your a owner who "ships his syclone to the US for viewing, discussion, and racing"
or dares to share their thoughts publicly "with intimate photos of their construction, painting, and
mods, successes and failures" I as a complete dummy enjoy both!

Hats off to the Syclone/Typhoon owners, builders, and wrenchers who "try" and make the attempt to communicate to the rest of us.
Since these vehicles do not have the production numbers of buicks, cameros/firebirds, mustangs,
or corvettes we could not exist in an environment where no one read/talk/heard the tales of similar SyTy owners.
It boosts membership, vehicle attention, ownership vision, and event attendance (all which is good).
I don't have to know how to make a cake (or have the ingredients) to enjoys its fruits!

-just my thoughts
Larry

I'm not sure why.....but I pictured you standing at a podium with presidential flags on each side of you. Well said.

Dave