my tranny shop just called

[TurboManiacal]

Ed,

a little something to ponder about those two damn bolts:

Very long drive extensions (2 foot extensions) a few 6" ones and a swivel head taped w/ electrical to get it at the right angle.

 

[ed hess]

sigo

i have to wonder if you are underneath on a lift and you lift the body 2inches on the drivers side, if this simple 10 minute procedure can make the 2 top bolts amount to nothing worth talking about.

ed

 

[Sy769]

sigo

i have to wonder if you are underneath on a lift and you lift the body 2inches on the drivers side, if this simple 10 minute procedure can make the 2 top bolts amount to nothing worth talking about.

ed

You could screw up a lot by attempting to lift the body.

The dreaded two top bolts????
Those are words spoke by novices who clearly do not have enough extensions.

They aren't as bad as everyone acts. I have R&R'ed three syty transmissions in the past few weeks. And pulled out one more that I haven't put back in yet.

 

[ed hess]

feel free to post what length extensions and the order of them ....

I Lifted the body puttin the motor in with no problem....just gotta keep the doors shut and not overdo it.
I think i'm gettin mentally prepared to do this (psych self up)

Wonder how long it takes to ship a trany from the west coast to the east coast?

God damn i sure hope this gets a brief end on monday.

Ever find something that just eats at you and wont let go?

probably cuz i spent so much time and effort these last 12 months.

yep it was last july when i got the urge to start modding the truck.

ed

 

[TurboManiacal]

yep it was last july when i got the urge to start modding the truck.

ed

I bought my Syclone round about this time last year

 

[100in6]

my buddy ray mills from r-way auto helped me put the last one in mine and as I remember it took quite a bit longer than 2 hours. we had a rack and a trans jack and all the tools you could need (or ever want! damn it's really neat when the snapon and matco guy just stops in every week) I think it took about a half day to get it back in and filled and tested and everything. this one worked perfectly from the day he did it and so far has held up to about 750 horses and over 800s pound of torque from my bowtie running 28 pounds of boost. I know the trick about letting the trans hang from the two top bolts but I have heard that this really isn't the best thing to do and is hard on the innards of the trans.

better to take your time, check and then recheck, and do it all right and hopefully you will not have any more experiences like you've been going through with delaware valley transmissions

(here's a picture of ed's trans builder :silly: and the trans builders teacher and boss :banghead: and the guy who trained em both :drinking:

what a team of experts :silly: :drinking: :banghead:

for what it's worth r-way auto is in columbiana ohio outside of youngstown and is owned by ray housel and his brother in law ray mills. ray is a great mechanic who has owned 4 or 5 syclones and many buick GN's that ran 9's and better and an assorment of ZR1's and other hot stuff. right now he has 4 of em. his brother in law ray housel is one of those quiet mechanical genius type guys who can do about anything. they are absolutely honest and reliable and are experienced in just about any type of repair, high performance work, or re-engineering. anyone who trys them will not be sorry. their number is 330 482 1899. for what it's worth ray mills is looking for a nice all white pretty stock typhoon to use for a daily driver for himself and his wife if anyone knows of one. he may be interested in trading a gn. he has an immaculate stock T top with only 5K miles that is perfect he wantsw to sell if anyone is interested

sorry for the blatant advertising, but there is always so many inquiries about who to use and who not to use I thought it might be interesting knowing who some of the good guys are for anyone in the akron/pgh area, or anyone who wants good work done fairly and at realistic prices. and before someone asks, I am not affiliated in any way with r-way

put this one in right Ed cause we all want to see how it works out

les

 

[JSM]

use a socket, wobbly, and about 3 feet of extension with transfer case removed.

Let back of tranny down, top bolts are easy to remove, only slightly harder to install. I never found it difficult either.

 

[ed hess]

100in6

Yeah thats them allright!

roflmao

so im watching motor trend on tv and the wife asks:

so wheres you truck?

me: Oh i gave to somebody to do some work on the trans and they screwed it up.

Her response. OH ! (and not another word cuz she figured out real quick that im real pissed and this is why ive been so moody lately.

So at least im off the hook on that part.
ed

 

[Blake]

Ed, Look down in the vault. Detailed instructions on getting it out. Down to the size of the sockets and the order in which to remove things to make it ULTRA quick. 1 hour 45 minuts out is my quickest. Actually goes back in just as easy. Just lining the transmission back up to the engine is the only time consuming part. There isn't an article on how to put it back in. I got involved with other things(son became very ill and I had knee surgery)
You don't need to lift the body. Extra work.

Les, there is a white/white Typhoon for sale on Route 4 in Monroe, Ohio about 3 houses down from Monroe's HQ fire house. I'll check to see if it is still there and what it looks like. May be gone by now but I'll check.

Ed, they are easy to build. You'll see what I'm talking about. The ENTIRE trans is nothing but subassemblies. Valvebody, pump, input drum, reverse input drum, case internals. Don't get overwhelmed by looking at dozens of parts and seals. You do only ONE at a time anyway. I'm getting a trans at a junk yard here and am making of video of it on how to convert it to syty specs(repair disassembly, everything) this summer. If you can build an engine, you can kick a tranny's ass. No shit. Look on Jesse's site and I've organized a rebuild article. It's almost done but again, other issues came up.
Get another trans using your contacts. It looks like you can get them fairly inexpensively since you are a vender. As long as the clutches are good material and they put in new sprags, it'll do OK for a while. Then build the other one. If you are gonna be racing, you want to know how to build your own anyway. That way it doesn't cost bucketloads of money to enjoy your hobby. You need to be able to drive your truck or your gonna get REALLY frustrated. There are a bunch of people that have emailed me thanking me for the instructions. Some of them only had experience replacing alternators and shocks and they had no problems. This is gonna sound funny, but since the shop has had it in and out a couple dozen times, the bolts are going to be much easier to remove.
Once you do it, your gonna wonder why you paid these guys so much before to work on it.

 

[Blake]

Well, it seems part 2 has been deleted from the vault. Imagine that.
Just go here

http://www.syty.huryde.com/html/tech/tranny/Tranny Rebuild.pdf

and download the pdf and print it out and look it over.
Just a real quick writeup :roll:
George

 

[100in6]

george

I was gonna PM you about this but decided to put it out there for all who are following ed's fiasco to think about. I don't want to talk about anyone else, so I will us the tense of "I" and guys can make of it what they want and figure out if it has any connection to them or not.

"I" am not the greatest mechanic in the world. I wish I were, but that's not what I have ever done for a living and I have never had a great place to be a great mechanic in. My father wasn't a great mechanic, and my grandfather wasn't a ...well, actually my grandfather was a mechanic so I gotta stop there. I try hard and sometimes get it done but it usually takes me longer and sometimes I have to redo it because I do it wrong.

Now, let talk transmissions. GULP!!!!!!!!!!!! oh no!!! not the damn tranny. I don't know how to tear apart a tranny!!! who can I take it to, and I guess I have to believe everything they tell me cause I don't know shit about trannys. don't you like have to be a genius and have a minimum of 15 years experience as a master mechanic to do trannys?

Sound familiar? well I got an idea. how bout we do something besides talk about how someones gonna develope a gigantic 222 turbo that will spool immediately and make 1100 horsepower on a stock block and have its own built in intercooler so it will never get hot, or who is gonna drink the most booze and stay up the longest at the nats. thats fine and I'm not dissin anybody for doin it, just lets think of doin something else. somethin like havin...a transmission rebuilding seminar!!! seriously, lets see if anyone would be interested in learnin how to do a performance rebuild on a 700? we could see about finding a place that would be somewhat central and arrange to have someone come in and learn about and build a tran. I think there might be many of us who would be interested in doin this. we could charge a fee to cover the expenses, bring someone in, or go to say, someplace like cinci and have them give us some good learnin on how to do this. would anyone be interested in doin this? I would in pgh and I bet lenny and john would. bet ed would. so would mark shaffer and some of the other guys. there would be some logistics to deal with but I for one would be interested in trying to organize it if there was enough interest. george, would you be willing to be the, or one of the instructors and do this?

 

[ed hess]

As for the seminar

Yall can have full run of my shop! Since i have a lift, and by then will have a trans jack. I am all for it even if its only a handfull of peeps.

george

>>If you are gonna be racing, you want to know how to build your own anyway.

This is similar to what i told myself when i did the motor.
Building it is half of racing.

And also:
>>>If you can build an engine, you can kick a tranny's ass.

THere gonna be a shitload of blood spillin then cuz i did build one badass motor

THis is the one point that has really gotten to me. There are only 2 things ive never done on a car.
1 set a differetial up
2 rebuilt an automatic

but i have allways been a beleiver of reading the book, follow the directions, and learn.
And if you dont have the tool BUY IT.

And if thats all it takes, well then this isnt gonna be much different than the way my new motor rebuild got started.

DO you all remember how that started as a damn fiasco too.

One thing i can say is if i do have to do this myself its sure gonna be entertaining reading it here on the board.

Sure will be better than reading
Anybody know how much ____ costs and what is the part number for the air in your tires?

heck i might just do this for the heck of it to learn somethin new...help keep me off the street corner at night .

ed


i should have my atsg by the end of the week.
and while im writin this the wife pops in and says: who you writin to? your girlfriend?
what a smartass! Told her it was with george and others about my trans.
fwiw, she knows but i will never admit its from racing.... its a design flaw in the basic unit

 

[100in6]

the politically correct term is deniability

 

[ed hess]

well if the following is the the correct unit:

TCI (T16) 371400 4X4 LU 30SPL

they have 2 instock at about 1200 to my door.

and the jack is in stock, they have 52 of them.

I will call tci in the am to confirm thisis the correct unit.

Those assholes have had 3 weeks with my trans.

It took me 5 weeks to remove my old motor, build the new motor and install it.

I gotta beleive i could rebuild it myself more than 3 times in 3 weeks.
especially since i gave them 100% of the parts at the start!
hell i had to wait for the machine shop and napa!

ed

 

[jwaller]

well if the following is the the correct unit:

TCI (T16) 371400 4X4 LU 30SPL

they have 2 instock at about 1200 to my door.

and the jack is in stock, they have 52 of them.

I will call tci in the am to confirm thisis the correct unit.

Those assholes have had 3 weeks with my trans.

It took me 5 weeks to remove my old motor, build the new motor and install it.

I gotta beleive i could rebuild it myself more than 3 times in 3 weeks.
especially since i gave them 100% of the parts at the start!
hell i had to wait for the machine shop and napa!

ed

hey ed in all seriousness. I've got a good friend in atl with a TH700 he had in his ty 500 miles. gm perf parts trans. I know GM right, but if your looking for a temp unit that will get the job done..this is it.. took it out when he went with a hartman staged unit. nothing at all wrong with it. he would be happy to sell at a very reasonable price... lemme know if your int either way

 

[ed hess]

wel things might go better today if the start is an indicator.

I just got a 1k check in the mail from a debt i wrote off (car dealer went out of biz), and i got a guarantee on it from telecheck.


so if frick frack and fruck can get thier shit together ......

ed

 

[ed hess]

Heres is todays update.

The guy I know there (walt) has told me whats really been happening

The owner is not talkin about this to anyone there. He is keeping his feelings inside. Understandably if you’ve been following this.

1 At the time of the second build somebody in the rebuild room got a little rough with the case. Yep they cracked it and had to buy another.

2 The torq drive assembly (drum and shaft) they didnt use got replaced with another with the same mods to it so things arent compromised on this (big relief to me) . Why, uneven wear on the end of the shaft. I have the original in my
hands now. Its on them, not my problem they couldn’t install bushings and bearings properly.

3 The ongoing problem with this comes down to my original valve body.
Although it was fine before this, the same tv cylinder keeps hanging up on them. On all 3 builds this has had the piston keep hanging in the cylinder.
Its been bored, polished, and measured repeatedly. Nothing visibly wrong in this one cylinder. They have gotten another valve body WHICH IS SYTY SPECIFIC!. Their supplier was smart enough to know the difference. Same guy they got the drum from and they told this supplier it is for a race car.
Walt told me their supplier keeps asking lots of questions!.

What else, a borg warner heavy duty band.
Changed out the pump.

The only thing remaining is they are waiting for sonnax to tell them if when drilling the separator plate (they got a new one of these also) If after drilling out No 8642093 orifice “a” with a no 31 bit to .120-.125 and then drilling out orifice ‘b’ on the separator plate to .140 for performance, DO THEY NEED TO OPEN THE HOLE THE SAME ON THE GASKET?

For this they are waiting for sonax to call them back.
So now they are following directions……

I saw what the problem was with the manual valve. no big deal there. It had to do with how the rod attached to it.

After this they are done…..yeah right (sarcastically)

I told walt I am looking at buying another trans…..he is just as disgusted as I am with the builder…. Turns out according to walt there is no love lost between himself and the builder…. So like somebody said…. Just keep letting them work at it and eventually they get it right or pay me to go away. And if they don’t its on the owner….. walt aint happy as Friday he had been scheduled to be off but because of this he worked all day on it. I just nodded.

Ed

I ordered a trans jack today…..not sure on the 2nd unit yet.

 

[jwaller]

Heres is todays update.

What else, a borg warner heavy duty band.

from my experiance borg warner doesn't sell the 2 5/8 wide band they only have the 2" band with their friction material. I've killed many of them... kinda why I stopped using them.

 

[ed hess]

at this point i dont give a shit. i just want my truck back.

Going to get a spare, build that, then redo this after i kill it.

shouldnt take more than a couple runs.

ed

 

[Sy769]

Ed
Don't believe everything you hear about a syty specific valvebody. The current GM part number for a Sy will cause no shift before the rev limiter.
They put two of them in my truck before listening to me.