my tranny shop just called

[Blake]

Heck yeah. My 9/11 shifted softer than my 87 Honda civic.
Even with a .570" TV boost valve. Pretty sad.
New 2100 stall converter, perfect shifts. 1-2 is hard, 2-3 feels like a hammer. And guess what? NO B&M shift kit.
I can't believe they put that in there to begin with.
The more they mess with your valvebody the more they can screw up.

 

[ed hess]

blake

The stall i thought you had was 3000 on a hughes 22-30L

is the 2100 stall just a typo?

fwiw

that shift kit went into the valve body 2 years ago.

ed

 

[ed hess]

just dropped the tc off at the shop.

The guy that does the installs there told me a bit more about the confusion between the shift kit and the cs7 and the B&M shift kit.

This may clear some of the confusion up.

Apparently in the box for the cs7, which not only contains the springs for the 3-4 load release springs, & the forward springs, there were also springs that were labeled specifically to go into the valve body!

ed

 

[Blake]

There was 1 spring. The TV spring. That was the one that was supposed to get the oem dimensions back. Remember all the shimming and stuff they did? It was supposed to prevent them from having to do that. If they got all confused over 1 spring, they should'nt be working on it. If it that tough, they can just take the spring out and put the old spring back in so they can shim to their hearts' content. It's not hard. It EVEN CAME WITH PICTURES FOR THE SHOP'S EDUCATIONALLY IMPAIRED. They are gonna tell you anything to protect their reputation now. :wink:

When I took my Ty to the trans shop to figure out what was going on with the 9/11, they put a 2100 rpm stall stock unit back in it. That was what they recommended and I didn't want them doing anything they weren't comfortable with. That was over a year ago.

Since then my trans has been out 2 more times while I played with different parts :wink:

Now my driveshaft and differential are suffering and the engine doesn't run for crap now. :evil:

 

[ed hess]

>>>They are gonna tell you anything to protect their reputation now.

Yep probably!

Im just going to have to wait till they figure out wtf they did.

ed

 

[Sy769]

>>>They are gonna tell you anything to protect their reputation now.

Yep probably!

Im just going to have to wait till they figure out wtf they did.

ed

The big question is are they gonna know what they did wrong. I can't understand how they will figure it out now when they didn't even read the instructions in the beginning.

 

[Blake]

I'm done with this. I haven't misrepresented anything and have nothing to gain by doing so. What do you want me to do? You want the $1 back for the spring? Look at what you wrote. It makes it look like I threw a bunch of shift kit springs in there and confused everyone. If they took the bag and dumped it all into a big tray along with all the B&M stuff, there's no telling what they mixed up.
If it makes them feel better about fucking up your transmission, TELL THEM IT'S ALL GEORGE'S FAULT. HE SHOULD'NT HAVE PUT ALL THOSE DAMN PARTS IN THAT BOX.
Later

 

[ed hess]

george settle down!

Heck i dontknow what was in the box.
Even if THEY (the manufacturer ) put the wrong one in the box, its no reson to get fired up. heck if it was I would have gone ballistic long ago.
I dont see any reason to get defensive here, so just take it easy.

I think i got more pissed off about the camper and snow plow than this!

Spend that energy on ideas that may solve the problem.

Btw You and your wife should be geting a little surprise from me later this week.

Hope you enjoy!

ed

 

[100in6]

hey ed

like I said earlier, after all that's gone down what makes you think these guys can get it right if they keep workin on it? From what you've been saying I would bet you are making a pretty big mistake by lettin them keep takin it apart.

bite the bullet. step away from them and find someone else to fix it for you or send it back to george and let him do it for you, although after reading his work schedule i don't know for the life of me how he finds time to go to the bathroom let alone play with his kids or fix a tranny right now. does he have anyone that he could reccomend taking over on this because his schedule is so full? In my experience, when someone gets to the part where they start defending what they do like this trans shop is doing, it never gets any better. find someone new, and I think I would tell em I want to be there when they assemble it, or at least go over the instructions together with the guy that going to build it and see if he understands it. If that doesn't work for them, find someone else. unfortunately, and I hate saying this but I bet you've already realized it, It's gonna be more expensive now that it should have been when all they had to do was follow the instructions.

Let em put it back together, say thank you, drive it away, and take it elsewhere. unless you can have a long talk about what's going on with them and this build this is what I would do before you have to start buying new parts to replace the new parts that are gonna get screwed up by lettin them keep trying to fix it.

Just my 2 cents worth. wish I was closer and could help you or at least give you some moral support and keep your glass full.

Keep sayin to yourself about that bad torque converter and complainin to b&h and them refusin to do anything, is that the way you would handle one of your customers that had bought a new product and had it fail when they tried to use if for the first time. bet not. Hell, at least tell them about it and see if they offer anything. I agree with george though. sounds like this shop is having a lot of TC failures.

ED...go elsewhere if they can't fix it and do it now

les

 

[ed hess]

Les

I understand and agree with everything being said.

Only difference is i am using "THREE STRIKES AND YOUR OUT"

This is their last chance.

You understand why its there as you said it before, i need them at this moment instead of starting over.


ed

and if it comes to this i will:
Let em put it back together, say thank you, drive it away, and take it elsewhere. unless you can have a long talk about what's going on with them and this build this is what I would do before you have to start buying new parts to replace the new parts that are gonna get screwed up by lettin them keep trying to fix it.

 

[Blake]

Ed, we've sent MANY PMs and emails back and forth. I've told you MANY times what exactly is in the kit and what it is for. "I don't know anything about transmissions" only goes so far.
You constantly come back with the same stuff. Do you ACTUALLY think I ACCIDENTLY put the wrong stuff in there? You have any idea how silly that sounds? All the work I put in to that, why would you write something like that? I accidently made the instructions in Japanese too. Maybe that's why your retards didn't read them.

Then you can't figure out why I'm upset. How about you tell us the name of the shop? That way everyone can avoid it like the plague.

I seem to remember another guy getting flat hammered by the entire community for what you are doing. 92blackty I think. He kept taking it back, taking it back until they finally disconnected his TV cable (they told him he didn't need it) and burned his clutches up.
You've gotta be kidding me.
So. Tell everyone it's George's fault because he put the wrong parts in the box and the instructions were in Japanese. You can be friends with the shop if you want. Don't throw incompetence my way to cover for them.

I've told you already. Take MY NAME off your signature. Put the SHOP'S name on the signature. They built it. They screwed it up. They built it, they screwed it up again. They built it. You want your name on something like that? The transmission is only as good as the craftsmanship that goes in it. A box of GM parts is just a box of parts. All those TC failures cannot be coincidence.

I don't want to hear anything else about me trying to think of a solution. A solution for what? You are only gonna come back here with something like, "he put the wrong parts in it" or "they put that kit in it 2 years ago" or "I don't know what's in it" or "I've gotta let them do what they gotta do."

You don't know why I'm bit preturbed?
Don't give the shop my number without my permission.

 

[ed hess]

Ed, we've sent MANY PMs and emails back and forth. I've told you MANY times what exactly is in the kit and what it is for. "I don't know anything about transmissions" only goes so far.
You constantly come back with the same stuff. Do you ACTUALLY think I ACCIDENTLY put the wrong stuff in there? You have any idea how silly that sounds? All the work I put in to that, why would you write something like that? I accidently made the instructions in Japanese too. Maybe that's why your retards didn't read them.

Then you can't figure out why I'm upset. How about you tell us the name of the shop? That way everyone can avoid it like the plague.

I seem to remember another guy getting flat hammered by the entire community for what you are doing. 92blackty I think. He kept taking it back, taking it back until they finally disconnected his TV cable (they told him he didn't need it) and burned his clutches up.
You've gotta be kidding me.
So. Tell everyone it's George's fault because he put the wrong parts in the box and the instructions were in Japanese. You can be friends with the shop if you want. Don't throw incompetence my way to cover for them.

I've told you already. Take MY NAME off your signature. Put the SHOP'S name on the signature. They built it. They screwed it up. They built it, they screwed it up again. They built it. You want your name on something like that? The transmission is only as good as the craftsmanship that goes in it. A box of GM parts is just a box of parts. All those TC failures cannot be coincidence.

I don't want to hear anything else about me trying to think of a solution. A solution for what? You are only gonna come back here with something like, "he put the wrong parts in it" or "they put that kit in it 2 years ago" or "I don't know what's in it" or "I've gotta let them do what they gotta do."

You don't know why I'm bit preturbed?
Don't give the shop my number without my permission.

Well i dont think i have blamed anyone.

I havent blamed you

I havent blamed the shop
delaware valley transmissions
1031 haddon ave
collingswood nj 08108
856-858-2009

I havent said anything nasty to anyone.

If someone wants to flame me, i guess they can.
But if the repoire between myself and the shop is still good, why not work with them. Its not like they keep tackin on more money cuz they havent!
so a comparison to 92black ty isnt quite the same.

I havent found yet that anyone has bs'd me... not you and not the shop!

If you dont want to talk to the shop. Thats fine with me.

I dont think whats is happening here anyway reflects on you or the parts in the GP kit.

I do think many many many people are reading this and eagerly awaiting the outcome and they all are in the same boat as myself.

and what is the boat:

All of us can build a motor but damn few to none of us knows enough to build a tranny. So just like i am stuck taking my lumps here, so would others.

Everyone understands that.

Yes you and I have done lots of pms and emails but theres only so much i can do since i havent ever been on the inside of a tranny.

In the mean time just settle down and understand the following:

NO ONE IS BLAMING YOU

ed

 

[Syclone#1992]

Any more updates on this issue?

 

[ed hess]

yep

just as soon as i get it back..... hopefully monday.

ed

 

[Wes]

For what it's worth, I've used a KB 9/11, an ATR converter, and 2 TCS 9/11s and never had any problems with converters. Hopefully they are putting fluid in the converter before installing it.

 

[100in6]

they're a real tran shop aren't they? They couldn't be off the wall bad enough to not have fluid in the converter!! was there fluid in it when you took it out?

 

[Blake]

I hate to sound so negative.
Initially I was surprised and angered that they put it together without reading the instructions because it resulted in a failure of driveability.
Then I see they've experienced more than a couple converter failures. Even with the BRAND NEW pump. More than a coincidence. I just hope nothing inside is damaged to the point they couldn't reuse it. Especially the pump. Bushings and torringtons and thrust washers take a beating when this happens and results in the entire trans having to be pulled apart and cleaned out.
I am afraid this has affected any real interest in a GP. I was waiting to see the outcome of this but I'm just gonna offer it and hopefully people will still be interested. This unfortunate incident gives the impression that if a PROFESSIONAL shop can't get it right, how the heck is a regular guy in his garage gonna do it? Then the confusion over a spring and "so many" mods throws in uncertainty. I probably got a little overzealous thinking this would work out well. :-?
Hopefully the guys that bought the TD kits still want the rest of the parts.

Ed, thank you so much for the gift! It really made my day.
My wife and her cousin, Laura, were scrapbooking when it came in. Watching two women go after cookies was a hoot! It was a very nice gesture. I really appreciate it.

 

[100in6]

George

i just wanted to throw a little bit in here. I hope you're not getting too discouraged about what's gone on with Eds assembly. I think everyone that's monitoring what's goin on realizes that the shop isn't really following you're assembly instructions. I certainly am not a tran expert, but I do think I know a little bit about going fast in one of these little toys, and I don't think there are many guys on this board that don't realize that the 700 is a fickle girlfriend. most of us have had a tran problem at one time or another and if you make much power you have had even more than the occassional problem. I for one can only thank you for working on developing something that has the potential of helping all of us. this is one of the weak links and you are to be commended for trying to build a better mousetrap. you hang in there. One assembly failure doesn't make it a catastrophe, and hopefully this shop will get it sorted out and Ed will have a good transmission. ::thumbsup::

I tried to find out the details of how mine we've been talking about but they have gone racing this week and my friend is on vacation, but I will get you the info hopefully next week. and for those of you out there that think that the price of Ed's was high...think again.

this is just a turn in the road to what turns out to be a better transmission

les

 

[ed hess]

So I now have confirmation its not the parts but the shop!
What a bunch of fuckin retards.
Yesterday I stop by to find out wtf is going on. As I get there I see my brake
lights on. Guy backs out of shop. I ask him if this is 1st test drive.
He tells me yes. ( I don’t believe him)
He goes around the block.
He gets back and then tells builder the shift points are high.
(im thinking, here we go again)
they start lookin at tv cable at tb.
Im thinkin they are probably lookin at the wrong end of the problem
The builder gets into drive it.
Puts it in gear, truck goes backwards, moves shifter again, truck goes backwards, moves shifter again, truck goes backwards.
They say something about manual valve.
I tell myself now is not the time to go ballistic.
I silently walk away, get into my beater and leave.
An hour later I call and talk to owner, Did the clutches just burn up?
He tell me the manual valve snapped.
He will have it on Monday.

I don’t believe this and I don’t expect anyone else to believe it. So if I don’t get it Monday I think its safe to assume they burned it up on the test drive.
These assholes are a fuckin nightmare. I give them the best parts money can buy and they fuck it up.

Does this reflect on the parts in the GP? No way.
This does reflect on the builder.

So what will I do next.
I fully expect to break this trans very quickly.
I believe he changed the pump, the band and like the dumb piece of shit he has proven himself to be he removed the torq drive drum.
I asked him why? He told me he had never seen a drum break.
I told him he had shown me my original drum broken 2 years ago!
What an asshole, bullshit artist. Fuckin ass hole.

Im startin to lose it here, patience is gone, but im still keeping it contained, except while writing this.

So I will probably buy a complete unit that allready contains all these same GP upgraded parts from hughes transmissions in the future. Cost 2300.
And put it on the shelf so when this breaks I can swap it in myself and get this one redone. I don’t know, but that’s one idea I keep coming back to for a future plan. Besides hughes puts their units on a dyno before they install and ship. Instead of, ok lets put it back in and see if it works.

When I look at the cost of a trans compared to doing the motor, the trans is comparativley inexpensive. Its just the bullshit you have to go thru with techs that don’t know their ass from a friggin hole in the ground.

Fwiw, I filled the tc up before I gave it to them this time.

Ed

And if they removed the hardened shaft from the torq drive I know where to put that.

 

[Captain Morgan]

call the BBB