DesertSy: It's Just a Driver

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
Re: DesertSy: It's Just a Driver

:eek: O....M....G!! Props to any of you who can take one of these apart, figure out the spaghetti, and put it back together. Wish i had the time and capacity to learn that.

Nice thread. :thumbsup:

It might look bad, but these truck are the easiest vehicle I have pulled the dash on. The dash itself is basically one piece and most of the wiring is on the driverside.
 
Re: DesertSy: It's Just a Driver

It might look bad, but these truck are the easiest vehicle I have pulled the dash on. The dash itself is basically one piece and most of the wiring is on the driverside.

Yep. Try pulling the dash on a newer truck. 18 different thing must be removed from the dash before you can even start to remove the dashboard assembly.
 

DaveP

Active member
Re: DesertSy: It's Just a Driver

It might look bad, but these truck are the easiest vehicle I have pulled the dash on. The dash itself is basically one piece and most of the wiring is on the driverside.

Dave's correct. It's not too bad. Like everything else, it gets easier the more you do it. Or at least becomes more familiar. Of the 5 S/T-Series I currently own, I've had the IP out of all of them. There's a thread in The Vault that outlines IP R&R where I contributed a few hints. If there's any interest, I can photo-document the reinstall for this one.

This one came out because the A/C mode doors were not functioning correctly. No way to get to them without the IP being out. And I want to repair the cut wiring. I like to remove the harness from the IP and lay it out on the work table to work on it. The IP has to be out to get the wiring out of it.

Thanks for the interest.
 

DaveP

Active member
Re: DesertSy: It's Just a Driver

Have you ever pulled the dash or wiring harness out of a c4. I can tell you from experience it sucks. I at least was able to fix few alarm/wiring hacks while was at it.

No, I have not had the IP out of a C4. I have performed some tasks on my 85 that required removing the top pad, and some partial dis-assembly of the trim. That was bad enough. 7 hours to get the radio out to have it repaired while I was preparing the car for its NCRS Performance Verification. One stripped screw in a trim panel took most of the day to extract without damaging the plastic trim itself.

While I haven't had to do much work on my 85, as it is seldom driven, and has less than 40K on it, my experience has been that anything on that car is much more sucky than anything on a SyTy. I dislike working on Corvettes, especially my own. They really suck.
 
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DaveP

Active member
Re: DesertSy: It's Just a Driver

Have you ever pulled the dash or wiring harness out of a c4. I can tell you from experience it sucks. I at least was able to fix few alarm/wiring hacks while was at it.

No, I have not had the IP out of a C4. I have performed some tasks on my 85 that required removing the top pad, and some partial dis-assembly of the trim. That was bad enough. 7 hours to get the radio out to have it repaired while I was preparing the car for its NCRS Performance Verification. One stripped screw in a trim panel took most of the day to extract without damaging the plastic trim itself.

While I haven't had to do much work on my 85, as it is seldom driven, and has less than 40K on it, my experience has been that anything on that car is much more sucky than anything on a SyTy. I dislike working on Corvettes, especially my own. They really suck.
 

DaveP

Active member
Re: DesertSy: It's Just a Driver

Worked on a couple of electrical additions today. One bundle is a Delayed Accessory Buss that allows the stereo and windows to operate after key-off until the door is opened. Alpines have such a loooooong power-up, I like this feature. The other relay-set is for a anti-theft ghost switch. I have one on my Ty, and like it. Easy enough to do, so why not?
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I was looking at the IP on my floor. I noticed this crayon number on the side of the fuse box:
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See the correlation? This is the GM plant sequence number. Various components have this number on them. When the worker goes to install it, he checks the Seq number to be sure he's putting the intended component in the correct car. I guess the fuse box is original to the car. :grin:
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DaveP

Active member
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Worked on the IP the past couple of days. Cleaned it up, worked on the wiring. Got my ghost switch and delayed accessory buss incorporated into the IP harness. And got it back in the truck this evening. Tomorrow the steering column, and I can move it again. The bonus for the day was I got the RKE working and programmed. (Thanks Scott for the module).

Note how dirty everything is.
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Now it's back in the truck. All clean.
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DaveP

Active member
Re: DesertSy: It's Just a Driver

Worked on the IP the past couple of days. Cleaned it up, worked on the wiring. Got my ghost switch and delayed accessory buss incorporated into the IP harness. And got it back in the truck this evening. Tomorrow the steering column, and I can move it again. The bonus for the day was I got the RKE working and programmed. (Thanks Scott for the module).

Note how dirty everything is.
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Components cleaned, and awaiting reassembly
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Now it's back in the truck. All clean.
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Captain Morgan

Moderated User
Re: DesertSy: It's Just a Driver

Im gonna have to pick your brain on those relay buss's next year, my Jetta has a similar feature with the accessories where the windows, radio and a few other things are still active until I take the key out of the ignition.

Come to think of it, even my 1993 Celica has power windows that stay active for a certain amount or time or until the door is opened.

Either way its a feature I have gotten used to lately.
 

DaveP

Active member
Re: DesertSy: It's Just a Driver

Worked on the steering column today. The bowl bolts were loose, the lock plate needed to be indexed after the Astro Steering shaft install, and it was dirty. I wanted to get it back in today so I could drive it back into the garage. I left it out last night because I quit with no column, and couldn't steer it. I didn't take pics during the dis-assembly, but these should be enough to show you what you're in for if you decide to tackle this task yourself.

Here's the level of dis-assembly I took it to. I didn't take apart anything more than what was necessary to get to the bowl bolts. The Helms manual is invaluable.
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Here's the 4 bowl bolts. This is the 3rd 91 I've had these come loose in. Note the socket-head screw that replaced one that was missing. Bowl bolts are 1/4-20X1-1/2:
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Here's some of the sub-assemblies. I took the shaft u-joint apart mostly to clean and re-grease it. It was much smoother with new grease.
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These are the tilt-pivot pins. Little suckers are a bitch to remove. I used a 5mm screw (pictured in the left one) with a crescent wrench under the head to 'lever' it out of the hole.
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To make this easier to work on, I clamped it to my work table. This was the smartest thing I did all day:
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After the bowl bolts were tight with some loc-tite, I put the center shaft back in:
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Install the tilt lever. Pulling on the tilt lever to pull the latches back out of the way, drop the tilt-housing over the inner bowl. The tilt latches pictured:
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Line up the pins. Don't force anything. If it doesn't go easy, something isn't positioned correctly. Note the position of the dimmer switch rod in the lower pic. It exits through the hole. Not outside. I had this wrong:
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I used a big c-clamp to press the two pins back into the housing simultaneously:
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Next, the tilt spring goes back in. Position the bowl in full-up tilt for lowest spring tension:
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Use a Phillips screwdriver to push in, and turn and lock the retainer.this is simple:
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Next the upper bowl goes on. I didn't take any pics. You have to juggle the wiper switch, cruise control wires, and dimmer rod all at the same time. Pay attention when you take it apart, and at least you'll have an idea of how it goes back together. This part IS fussy. Took me several attempts to get it. The cruise wire was blocking the dimmer rod. Once I moved that out of the way, it went right together. Three torx head screws hold the bowl in.
Then install the key cyl, and it's retainer bolt. Check the action. Install the key buzzer switch, then the turn sig switch.

Last thing is the metal arm that indexes into the turn sig switch, and lever. It should look like this when you're done:
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These springs are for the turn signal cancel. They tend to break on high mileage vehicles. I robbed one from a take-out switch I had to replace a broken one. But they are available from Rock Auto. Hood may have them too:
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After you put in the spring, the cancel cam goes on. Check the little key-slot on the contact sleeve, and the titty on the wire itself. Both of these tend to break if the horn button is pulled off carelessly and the wire is pulled out by force. These parts are OK to use. I had them in my stash. The ones on the truck were broken:
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That's it for the pics. I ground a spline on the lock plate to index the steering wheel correctly. I loosely installed the wheel. I'll double-check the index when I can be sure the wheels are straight-ahead. It's back in the truck. The truck is back in the garage. This was a good day. Fussy, but I got it done:

Thanks for reading.
 
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kentuc

Member
Re: DesertSy: It's Just a Driver

You done good!
I have done this hundreds of times.I have a few short cuts.Usually takes an hour.
I would gladly do you columns if you would do my heater cores.(LOL)
 

DaveP

Active member
Re: DesertSy: It's Just a Driver

You done good!
I have done this hundreds of times.I have a few short cuts.Usually takes an hour.
I would gladly do you columns if you would do my heater cores.(LOL)

What a pleasant surprise to have you check-in in my thread, Ken.

Only takes an hour, eh? Took me longer than that to find a screw that was strong enough to extract the pivot pins. I had to tighten the bowl screws in my DD right after I got it. That was 15 years ago. I know I just sat in the seat and did it. I didn't remove the column from the truck. I'm pretty sure they were Phillips screws, not torx like this one. I don't remember it being nearly this fussy. Could there be two different designs for the columns?

I'll gladly do your heater cores if you do the columns for me. Been a long time since we did breakfast in Phoenix. I'll ring you up next time I'm headed that way. Take care. Thanks for the comments.
 

gstacky

Member
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Great post Dave

Yes finding a bolt to remove those pivot pins is a pain. The last one I did the bolt I was using broke off, what a pain. Apparently there is a tool for removing them, but I have yet to find it.

Years ago I rebuilt a column, and don't remember it being that big of a deal. I just did one recently, and it aggrivated me to no end. Must be getting old.

And every one I have seen has had the torx screws.
 

JKsSyclone

Active member
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You done good!
I have done this hundreds of times.I have a few short cuts.Usually takes an hour.
I would gladly do you columns if you would do my heater cores.(LOL)

SyTy/S10 heater cores? I would take this trade in a nanosecond!
 

Ozrein

BC Syclone
Re: DesertSy: It's Just a Driver

So today I continued in the interior. I started another thread today on least favorite tasks, and the heater core popped up a couple of times. Looking at how easy it was to get to, I decided "why not?" and procured one at Pep-Boys and thought I'd set a new record for Heater Core R&R. I turned on the time stamp in my camera in an attempt to document my record time. Not.

Here it is. Note the time:
*snip

Here's the old core. It was leaking. Good call, on my part to replace it. The trend for this truck continues. If it's in this truck, it's f'd:
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Here's the replacement. It's an aluminum Spectra.
*snip

It didn't fit down in the recess flush. The cover wouldn't go back on. It's just enough different that it fought me for about 25 minutes before I got frustrated and pushed it in with my foot.
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And the cover back on. I replaced the foam seal at the interface to the mode door box too:
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So 45 minutes elapsed. I've done one in less than an hour the 'normal' way. I messed with the aluminum core for quite awhile. No new record. But it was pretty easy. :D

Hey you might want to check that core again. I fought with a Spectra unit a number of times and the only way I could get it to fit into the heater box was to bend the tubes in such a way that they actually split at the base (at the heater core). So just fyi, you may want to check that core out before putting coolant to it (if you havent already).


I thought I had a pic uploaded that shows the damage to the core after making it fit into the heater box but apparently not. Either way the one tube seperated from the core itself and basicly made the core useless.

Hopefully yours is ok but I saw your post in the 'least favorite things to do' thread and wanted to let you know.

*edit: oh here they are:
http://s22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/Ozrein/Heater%20Core/SPI%20Unit%20-%20Modified/Damaged%20Unit/

You can see at the base of the one tube, it's cracked around half the tube.
 

fauXGT

Brick Pilot
Re: DesertSy: It's Just a Driver

I replaced my old leaky heater core last year w/ copper autozone. I also had a bit of trouble getting it in til I split the joined lines. It didn't open up any where else. It looked almost identical in size, shape and angles on tubes to the OEM, but it just would not go in until I muscled it & the tubes separated. :2cents:
 
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