Why??

[blk00z28]

Re: Why??

Here are just a few examples I have seen

$1400-$1600 for front suspension

I can kinda agree here. But then again, the coilovers do cost alot by themself.

$2500 for a set of SS headers for angled plugs

Check around other boards for turbo headers. While some arnt that pricey, they are around $1500-$1800.. I would like to see where you got that price though.. IM me (Soon 2 Be Super)

$2500 for a forged crank

If you wanna compare 350 cranks, sure.. let's compare.. Looks like they are about the same price for a good one. http://www.horsepowerinabox.com/HPIABV8/category14_1.htm

So you see, the price of our crank really isnt that bad. The TB guys are paying just about this much as well.

$650ish for a stock worked over crank.

Umm.. by worked over what do you mean? I know there are a few stock cranks thru one of our vendors for $225 right now. And they have been heat treated and tested.???

$2350 for a set of Vortec heads and Intake yet you can buy a full out race set of 18 or 23* heads and intake for less than that.

Yeah.. anything over $1800 is pushing it for a set of stock heads. I'd like to pay around $750-$1000 for this kit..

It just seems that we don't get alot for our dollar here. Maybe its just me[/QUOTE]

 

[dgoodhue]

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Do I not know something? Is aluminum more expensive to port?

Aluminum is easier to port. It take time for a good porter to work over a set of heads. It relatively easy to spend a couple hours port matching Vortec heads, it might flow 220-230cfm, but if you want 280-320cfm out of a set of heads it takes time. In some way you get what you pay for. We only have very few castings to start with, unlike a SBC where you can have as many as 5 different heads from one manufacturer.

 

[dgoodhue]

Re: Why??

Buicks are high performance too, and parts are considerably cheaper for them.

They are easier to modify and their were something like 35000 Intercooled GN/T-type's and another 10K fuel injected GN/T-type (hot air). Those numbers add up to more than 6 times what SyTy production was, but even with the turbo buicks, not everything is cheap either.

 

[AUSyTyIN]

Re: Why??

They are easier to modify and their were something like 35000 Intercooled GN/T-type's and another 10K fuel injected GN/T-type (hot air). Those numbers add up to more than 6 times what SyTy production was, but even with the turbo buicks, not everything is cheap either.

Understood. critical was saying that we pay more because they are high performance, I'm saying that Buick are cheaper (in many aspects). I understand that they made more of them, and that is the reason that most parts are cheaper.

Supply vs. Demand

 

[Silly]

Re: Why??

Aluminum is easier to port.

Ok thanks, so my point still stands i guess. Why is a set of vortecs more expensice than a set of L35's? Besides that some say they are better heads... which is a whole nother arguement lol.

We are talking about production and availabilty being the reason we have to bend over to vendors... well that doesnt hold any water when it comes to a $2350 set of heads.

 

[dgoodhue]

Re: Why??

If you wanna compare 350 cranks, sure.. let's compare.. Looks like they are about the same price for a good one. http://www.horsepowerinabox.com/HPIABV8/category14_1.htm

Those are Chevy Cranks to fit Ford Windsor motors, odd ball parts :rotf: plus they are in australia dollars and I assume they are in Australia. You can buy forged SBC cranks for a little over $600.

 

[dgoodhue]

Re: Why??

Ok thanks, so my point still stands i guess. Why is a set of vortecs more expensice than a set of L35's? Besides that some say they are better heads... which is a whole nother arguement lol.

We are talking about production and availabilty being the reason we have to bend over to vendors... well that doesnt hold any water when it comes to a $2350 set of heads.

What are the flow numbers on each, you need to be able to compare apples to apples. All Porting is not the same. If done by different vendors, some place are more expensive than others as well. A good name brand and expereinced porter cost more.

 

[Captain Morgan]

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Buicks are high performance too, and parts are considerably cheaper for them.

because there were about 7000 SyTys made in 3 years (yes, I know SyTys owners arent the only ones who use performance 4.3L parts)

but in comparison to the thousands and thousands of 3.8L turbo buicks that were made for 9 years between 1978 and 1987... c'mon, its a no brainer once again. Supply and demand takes a big bite out of manufacturing and retail costs.

 

[Silly]

Re: Why??

Supply and demand takes a big bite out of manufacturing and retail costs.

Very true... but that should apply to certain parts not ALL

 

[blk00z28]

Re: Why??

Those are Chevy Cranks to fit Ford Windsor motors, odd ball parts :rotf: plus they are in australia dollars and I assume they are in Australia. You can buy forged SBC cranks for a little over $600.

HA HA OOPS.. I had like 3 different crank pricing windows open lol

Yeah.. regular billet cranks for SBC or BBC's are like $850-$1200 for really good ones.

 

[Drag SGT]

Re: Why??

While I was doing part price research I often compared the prices of vendors to local shops. All together it would of still been 1500+ for porting, parts and labor to a set of Vortec's. It makes me want to buy a DIY book and practice on junkyard stuff, then port my own heads. As for the crank, if you don't mind waiting for 3 months, you can get a crank made at strokerkits.com. That's what I did, and from my understanding from talking to reps, they have made shipments, or are still currently making shipments to RPM for billet cranks, and the total price was SIGNIFIGANTLY cheaper. Long story short, in my experience, if you fish around long enough, you come across good things. You just have to be patient. But that's just my :2cents:

 

[Silly]

Re: Why??

they have made shipments, or are still currently making shipments to RPM for billet cranks, and the total price was SIGNIFIGANTLY cheaper.

Any idea how much cheaper? I haven't seen a change in price at all.

here is a little of what I am talking about

http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=33532

Now I know a shop has to mark up the parts to make ends meet on their side but where does it end? That is quite a markup there..... hope it comes with a fresh tube of KY

 

[jimhrabe]

Re: Why??

All I would like to see is a better priced Header for our trucks (perhaps to fit the stock configuration?)
$1100 dollars is way too steep

 

[92Ty]

Re: Why??

Have anyone actually brake a stock crank?

If I have a chance to do it all over again I'll will not mod the SyTy. What I would do is drop in an LT1 or LS1 and 4L80E and go from there. Just pull the SyTy engine and tranny out and save it some where.

 

[93ty475]

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Have anyone actually brake a stock crank?

If I have a chance to do it all over again I'll will not mod the SyTy. What I would do is drop in an LT1 or LS1 and 4L80E and go from there. Just pull the SyTy engine and tranny out and save it some where.

Yeah, they've broken before but they hold up pretty well, all things considered....

 

[Silly]

Re: Why??

Yeah, they've broken before but they hold up pretty well, all things considered....

i want to say a good worked over crank is good for 650hp. I know it has been tested.

 

[dgoodhue]

Re: Why??

i want to say a good worked over crank is good for 650hp. I know it has been tested.

650 hp is a pretty good number for a cast crank, Some manufacturers will say limit for SBC cast cranks is 550hp.

 

[outlaw1987]

Re: Why??

Yes lately i have noticed that with the exception of the hoovers and a couple of others the sy/tys have been lagging behind the racing seen and the prices for parts are outrageous comparing to turbo regals which is why i havent bought neither a sy/ty or a tr yet because i cant decide which one i want. I like the turbo regals and all but i like the exclusivity of the sy/tys and how they are much rarer. Once i get money saved I will probrobly buy a typhoon and go from there. whether or not i will keep the chevy v6 or not i do not know. As far as making big 650+ hp with a turbo buick. it is very easy and alot cheaper so if i do take out the stock syty motor i will replace it with a 3.8 buick and then stroke it and bore it to either 4.1 or 4.3 litres. Yes i could could throw in a sbc but then it wouldn't be the same with a v8 instead of a v6. So for all of you thinking about doing a swap its up to you but personally with the huge aftermarket the buick motors have going with it you couldn't go wrong with it.

 

[jamnut]

Re: Why??

Have anyone actually brake a stock crank?

If I have a chance to do it all over again I'll will not mod the SyTy. What I would do is drop in an LT1 or LS1 and 4L80E and go from there. Just pull the SyTy engine and tranny out and save it some where.

I love my LS1's, my formula is on it's 3rd one, but I bought a Sy to have a Sy, my truck will be fast, no doubt about it, but it's going to be a 4.3 based truck, not an LS1 even though I have a spare Heads / cam LS1 hanging around.

I knew what I was getting into when I bought this truck, hard to find / high priced parts are just going to have to be part of the project.

One thing that I've found out over the last 20 or so years of hot rodding, start with a plan & stick with it, it's cheaper to buy the right part once than change setups multiple times. That LS1 drove me dry 3 different setups in 3 years,

 

[Syclone#1992]

Re: Why??

I knew what I was getting into when I bought this truck, hard to find / high priced parts are just going to have to be part of the project.

One thing that I've found out over the last 20 or so years of hot rodding, start with a plan & stick with it, it's cheaper to buy the right part once than change setups multiple times. That LS1 drove me dry 3 different setups in 3 years,

Yes, do it right the first time and forget about it. SyTy market is very limited, ATR is out of business, and many other vendors that supply parts aren't syty specific. With a small market vendors have huge controls over their prices. SyTys aren't the cheapest way to go fast, but they sure are fun. :tup: