why no ABS?

absintheisfun

1993 TY 0722
Just curious...aside from the fact that the ABS unit is fugly...why do so many of you guys want to get rid of their ABS?

A/C I understand---I just can't do it in my Texas daily driver....but why ABS delete?
 

SYO237

SyTy Registry
Re: why no ABS?

alot comes from the ABS stops working, some dont like the soft feel of the pedal, and its just another area that does break and you dont have to worry about it anymore.

I removed mine when it was working fine. I still have all the lines and could install it back without problem. Not having it in the way makes it a ton easier to work on the truck now.
 

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
Re: why no ABS?

I removed my ABS, because it failed and the light came on. I almost rear end some in the rain when it should have been a routine stop.
 

Captain Morgan

Moderated User
Re: why no ABS?

suprised nobody mentioned that the "state of the art" ABS system is a complete piece of shit.

I personally like when the ABS system kicks in and the pedal gets rock hard and the brakes no longer seem like they are doing anything and you have to "ditch it" to avoid hitting whats in front of you.

yeah, that ABS system rocks! [/sarcasm]
 

QWERTYphoon

Motley Driver Award 2009
Re: why no ABS?

Mine failed also. Almost hit the person in front of me. The light came on and I had a rock hard pedal that wounldn't move. I wasn't going fast and I was close to home. I removed it that night and never looked back. Truck breaks ten times better without it. just my .02
 

absintheisfun

1993 TY 0722
Re: why no ABS?

I thought that when ABS failed, you just got a "normal" brake...from the way you are describing it, when it fails...you have zero brake.
 

gkrcr882

SyTyless......for now!
Re: why no ABS?

Mine doesn't work at all (fuse pulled maybe), but then again, There is no light bulb for the warning light in the cluster either :D When GM ABS systems go haywire its not good in the least bit.
 

jpalmer

New member
Re: why no ABS?

in my s-10 that i had it kicked in 2x and it caused 2 accidents. six months after i sold it there was a recall. f'n GM :squint:
 

SY2932

Administrator
Re: why no ABS?

Not to mention 4-8 pounds of saving( guessed on weight).

Even if you added those two numbers, you're still too low ;):

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For comparison, the roll pan weights less:

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Unless your ABS went out and you didn't want to pay the money to get it replaced, this post pretty much explains why some of us, myself included, removed mine. If you get in a situation where one of the rear wheels is spinning at a different speed than the other one (braking on wet leaves or snow/ice) you will experience what is described below:

turbodog said:
My $0.02:
In general: ABS is not intended to reduce stopping distance. It is intended to help the driver maintain maneuverability in a panic situation. It intentionally does NOT push the braking to the limit, because that impairs lateral grip. Just how much braking force is sacrificed in favor of maneuvering is up to the engineers who set the calibration.

SyTy specific: The application of the Corvette-spec 4WAL system to our trucks looks good on paper, but does not work well. The reason is that our front and rear wheels are linked via the viscous clutch transfer case. The 4WAL system pulses pressure to 3 zones independantly (front left, front right, and rear). PAS/GM/Kelsey-Hayes discovered, when setting up the calibration for SyTy ABS, that pulsing the rear independantly of the fronts set up a destructive force in the AWD system. So, their solution was to drop rear brake pressure to zero, and only pulse the front brakes during ABS activation! (how many FRONT WHEEL ONLY ABS systems can you recall?! There's a good reason!) Thus, with ABS activated, our front tires are now doing all the stopping. And, in order to maintain maneuverability as discussed above, the braking force has to be reduced... end result: ABS braking force is reduced so dramatically from non-abs braking foce, it feels like you just took your foot off the brake pedal.

I had an opportunity to experience an "A-B" comparison on dry pavement. My ABS stopped working when I did my LS1 rear disc conversion, because I ground too far on my left rear sensor. Most of the time, the ABS light was on, and I had only normal brakes. However, once in a while, the ABS computer would get just enough signal from the damaged sensor to turn the ABS light out.

I didn't think much about it, until one day I was pulling to a stop behind cars at a red light. Suddenly, the ABS light goes OUT, and the pedal starts pulsing (apparently, the computer was getting a signal of some sort from the damaged sensor, but it was interpreting that that sensor was not at the same speed as the other 3). I could only watch in horror as my previously-safe stopping distance was now obviously not going to be enough. Not by a wide margin. Fortunately, the ABS system must have lost the signal from the left rear, the ABS light came back ON, ABS quit, and I had barely enough distance to stop before hitting the car in front of me.


My ABS came out the next weekend.
 

Seti

Member
Re: why no ABS?

suprised nobody mentioned that the "state of the art" ABS system is a complete piece of shit.

I personally like when the ABS system kicks in and the pedal gets rock hard and the brakes no longer seem like they are doing anything and you have to "ditch it" to avoid hitting whats in front of you.

yeah, that ABS system rocks! [/sarcasm]

I was going to refer to it as an unfunny joke but what you said works just as well.

S.
 

Daveman2

Autox Blazer
Re: why no ABS?

What do you guys think of the ABS in 98+ truck?
Personally I've driven windy backroads in pouring rain, and had to brake hard/turn, had my ABS fuse out, and the truck acted EXACTLY like I expected. I knew I went in too hot, and prepped myself so by the time I got traction I was exactly where I needed to be.

My truck is 4WD, but definitely DOES not do what your Sy/Ty ABS systems do. However I find that a have a slightly better feel, ESPECIALLY when it comes to slow speed, or full stops, with the ABS fuse out.

I still want to lose it for cleanliness, do you guys know if I use a sy/ty delete kit and get the same result as you guys? I'm a little wary of permanently deleting it in case I have an experience that changes my mind.

That ABS system for the Sy/Ty makes sense or why it does what it does, but honestly I'd say it's 10X better without it. GM gets a big WTF for that one.
 

mattw

Active member
Re: why no ABS?

What do you guys think of the ABS in 98+ truck?
Personally I've driven windy backroads in pouring rain, and had to brake hard/turn, had my ABS fuse out, and the truck acted EXACTLY like I expected. I knew I went in too hot, and prepped myself so by the time I got traction I was exactly where I needed to be.

My truck is 4WD, but definitely DOES not do what your Sy/Ty ABS systems do. However I find that a have a slightly better feel, ESPECIALLY when it comes to slow speed, or full stops, with the ABS fuse out.

I still want to lose it for cleanliness, do you guys know if I use a sy/ty delete kit and get the same result as you guys? I'm a little wary of permanently deleting it in case I have an experience that changes my mind.

That ABS system for the Sy/Ty makes sense or why it does what it does, but honestly I'd say it's 10X better without it. GM gets a big WTF for that one.


We have a 99 Jimmy 4x4 and the ABS system in there works much better than my Ty did. It works well enough that I have no plans of pulling it out.

That being said I think the ABS system in my Ty lasted a few months before I yanked it. What amazed me is that I reinstalled it several years later to sell the truck and it all worked...


-Matt
 

powercat6

Active member
Re: why no ABS?

We have a 99 Jimmy 4x4 and the ABS system in there works much better than my Ty did. It works well enough that I have no plans of pulling it out.

That being said I think the ABS system in my Ty lasted a few months before I yanked it. What amazed me is that I reinstalled it several years later to sell the truck and it all worked...


-Matt

That being said, I haven't had any problems with the ABS in my 95 Jimmy. Is it possible to swap in an ABS unit like mine into a SyTy? Or is the system too complicated and require much more changing than it would be worth?
 

Daveman2

Autox Blazer
Re: why no ABS?

That being said, I haven't had any problems with the ABS in my 95 Jimmy. Is it possible to swap in an ABS unit like mine into a SyTy? Or is the system too complicated and require much more changing than it would be worth?
The problem is it may modulate the rear wheels differently from the front, thus causing GNARLY things to happen to your AWD bits. That's why the Sy/Ty ABS sucks so much in the first place
 

pontiacws699

New member
Re: why no ABS?

That being said, I haven't had any problems with the ABS in my 95 Jimmy. Is it possible to swap in an ABS unit like mine into a SyTy? Or is the system too complicated and require much more changing than it would be worth?

back from the dead!!!:lol: What about a trailblazer SS system ? I understand that a system that is not awd drive and just 4wd wont work well but what about one that is awd(silverado SS or TBSS)
 
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