tuning on ebay?
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Top Of The Line Perform
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Re: tuning on ebay?
Because when your TCC pops on/off, when your transmission decides to shift, etc. etc. etc.....are all things that result in loss of torque and can be improved. Most vehicles have an 18-25% Drivetrain loss. This is easy to understand. Why do you think a Chassis Dyno reads alot less horsepower at the wheels than an Engine Dyno reads at the crank, because you have drivetrain loss. Some of the things that cause drivetrain loss can be improved on the older vehicles. However, all of the things that cause drivetrain loss on the 1997-2007 vehicles, can be improved easily with a tune.
Because when your TCC pops on/off, when your transmission decides to shift, etc. etc. etc.....are all things that result in loss of torque and can be improved. Most vehicles have an 18-25% Drivetrain loss. This is easy to understand. Why do you think a Chassis Dyno reads alot less horsepower at the wheels than an Engine Dyno reads at the crank, because you have drivetrain loss. Some of the things that cause drivetrain loss can be improved on the older vehicles. However, all of the things that cause drivetrain loss on the 1997-2007 vehicles, can be improved easily with a tune.
Re: tuning on ebay?
I think he's referring to torque management in most '97+ GM's.....however thats a ECM editing timing variables, not anything to do with the driveline.
You won't gain anything in a Sy/Ty application as far as the driveline loss is concerned. Most lockup the convertor once in second anyway, so it's a moo point (You know like something a cow says).
I think he's referring to torque management in most '97+ GM's.....however thats a ECM editing timing variables, not anything to do with the driveline.
You won't gain anything in a Sy/Ty application as far as the driveline loss is concerned. Most lockup the convertor once in second anyway, so it's a moo point (You know like something a cow says).
Top Of The Line Perform
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Re: tuning on ebay?
All GM vehicles have a pre-determined lock-up speed where the TCC locks and doesn't unlock until you slow down under that limit. And you will hit that limit in the quarter mile run I promise, because it's usually between 75-85MPH. And turning that limit off is just part of the daily routine in every chip made.
All GM vehicles have a pre-determined lock-up speed where the TCC locks and doesn't unlock until you slow down under that limit. And you will hit that limit in the quarter mile run I promise, because it's usually between 75-85MPH. And turning that limit off is just part of the daily routine in every chip made.
Re: tuning on ebay?
NO....You obviously have no idea what you're talking about in regards to this application.
Most put a MANUAL switch inline so they lock it up once the trans shifts to second. Changing the chip will yield no more possible gain than that. There are ZERO other parameters on a Sy/Ty transmission to edit through the ECM.
Top Of The Line Perform said:
NO....You obviously have no idea what you're talking about in regards to this application.
Most put a MANUAL switch inline so they lock it up once the trans shifts to second. Changing the chip will yield no more possible gain than that. There are ZERO other parameters on a Sy/Ty transmission to edit through the ECM.
Top Of The Line Perform
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Re: tuning on ebay?
If you think that changing the TCC on/off parameters doesn't yield any results, then you shouldn't even be arguing with me. If the TCC has absolutely nothing to do with Horsepower and Speed, then why upgrade it? Why take it out and run direct drive? Why can the TCC being too large of a stall cause you to break your rear-end with enough power? Because the TCC has alot to with power, and it is one of the few things that can be changed to operate different in the driveline. So, YES, it can result in some small increases in power by changing the calibration.
If you think that changing the TCC on/off parameters doesn't yield any results, then you shouldn't even be arguing with me. If the TCC has absolutely nothing to do with Horsepower and Speed, then why upgrade it? Why take it out and run direct drive? Why can the TCC being too large of a stall cause you to break your rear-end with enough power? Because the TCC has alot to with power, and it is one of the few things that can be changed to operate different in the driveline. So, YES, it can result in some small increases in power by changing the calibration.
Re: tuning on ebay?
Didn't say the converter didn't effect performance, I said changing the lockup point in the chip wouldn't yield any gains.
You cannot tune the stock transmission in a Sy/Ty application beyond the converter lockup point.
I think you should take some time and research the application you are trying to tune before you come on here boasting about knowing how to get better performance out of it with a mail order chip. WTF do I know though, I'm just a noobie at tuning
Top Of The Line Perform said:
Didn't say the converter didn't effect performance, I said changing the lockup point in the chip wouldn't yield any gains.
You cannot tune the stock transmission in a Sy/Ty application beyond the converter lockup point.
I think you should take some time and research the application you are trying to tune before you come on here boasting about knowing how to get better performance out of it with a mail order chip. WTF do I know though, I'm just a noobie at tuning
Top Of The Line Perform
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Re: tuning on ebay?
I can change any part of the calibration that I choose to change. Order a chip from me, and I will put you in your place. You most likely won't even be able to read it with the ECM definition you are using. I never came on here boasting. I came on here to defend myself, because all of you were already on here talking down on me way before I got here. I didn't even want to come here. I came here to stand up for my business. People like you go searching online for victims to complain about. Until you have bought a chip and tested it, you cannot say anything about the results of my chips. I have never had a disappointed customer, because getting your crap to run better is what I specialize in. I don't even own a SyTy and never have. I have tuned them, but I really don't like trucks, because I am not a truck person. I own a 93 Formula LT1, so my own vehicle calibration is just about as difficult to tune as any other vehicle out there, if not the hardest. Have you ever even tuned a 1992 or 1993 LT1 powered car? Everything that you changed (if you don't know what you are doing) doesn't have any effect on the engine, and you won't even notice. It will only appear as though your engine is going downhill in performance. Every vehicle is tuned a little differently. I'll give you that, but that isn't anything I don't know and haven't been doing for a long time.Mail order tuning is not as easy as some of you think it is. I sit here for hours sometimes searching for a calibration that matches my customer's vehicle, or converting one over, because I cannot find the original file. Some of the more simpler tuners on here couldn't even grasp the concept of that, and most people know absolutely nothing about the BCC code on the back of the chip. And in my line of work, the BCC code means everything, even if the vehicle is the same, or it will throw your engine and speedometer way out of wack. So whether you believe anything I say or not doesn't really matter, because you can't do what I do everyday, or you would be doing it. I take ECM's that have nothing to do with a certain engine size or parts combination and make them run perfectly with a whole different engine size and setup, and I do this all through the mail. 1-shot, none of this mailing back and forth crap, I do it right the first time. So I know what I'm doing brother. I have a member on here that is getting a chip from me for free to prove my point, when he gets it, we will all know if I can tune or not, won't we. But until then, I am still searching for the calibration for his veihcle, because I cannot find it. Or would you like to provide me with the .bin file to save me some time, so we can get this little dispute over with, and I can get this chip out to him? Because I know that if you are doing any tuning at all, that you have a stock .bin file laying around. Even though I am skeptical about getting it from someone on here, because I will spend all day fixing it before I can tune it. So don't come to me with that crap that I came on here disturbing your little network of things. You brought me here, now you get rid of me. Like they all keep saying, it's a free site, then make me leave. The only disruption caused is by the other members of this Forum that no one has ever heard of or even cares about. The year ranges of vehicles in this forum is very small. For a bunch of old men, you sure do know how to cause a disruption very well. And if that sex offender picture is me, then that would mean that you know where I live, so why not come see if it is me?
I can change any part of the calibration that I choose to change. Order a chip from me, and I will put you in your place. You most likely won't even be able to read it with the ECM definition you are using. I never came on here boasting. I came on here to defend myself, because all of you were already on here talking down on me way before I got here. I didn't even want to come here. I came here to stand up for my business. People like you go searching online for victims to complain about. Until you have bought a chip and tested it, you cannot say anything about the results of my chips. I have never had a disappointed customer, because getting your crap to run better is what I specialize in. I don't even own a SyTy and never have. I have tuned them, but I really don't like trucks, because I am not a truck person. I own a 93 Formula LT1, so my own vehicle calibration is just about as difficult to tune as any other vehicle out there, if not the hardest. Have you ever even tuned a 1992 or 1993 LT1 powered car? Everything that you changed (if you don't know what you are doing) doesn't have any effect on the engine, and you won't even notice. It will only appear as though your engine is going downhill in performance. Every vehicle is tuned a little differently. I'll give you that, but that isn't anything I don't know and haven't been doing for a long time.Mail order tuning is not as easy as some of you think it is. I sit here for hours sometimes searching for a calibration that matches my customer's vehicle, or converting one over, because I cannot find the original file. Some of the more simpler tuners on here couldn't even grasp the concept of that, and most people know absolutely nothing about the BCC code on the back of the chip. And in my line of work, the BCC code means everything, even if the vehicle is the same, or it will throw your engine and speedometer way out of wack. So whether you believe anything I say or not doesn't really matter, because you can't do what I do everyday, or you would be doing it. I take ECM's that have nothing to do with a certain engine size or parts combination and make them run perfectly with a whole different engine size and setup, and I do this all through the mail. 1-shot, none of this mailing back and forth crap, I do it right the first time. So I know what I'm doing brother. I have a member on here that is getting a chip from me for free to prove my point, when he gets it, we will all know if I can tune or not, won't we. But until then, I am still searching for the calibration for his veihcle, because I cannot find it. Or would you like to provide me with the .bin file to save me some time, so we can get this little dispute over with, and I can get this chip out to him? Because I know that if you are doing any tuning at all, that you have a stock .bin file laying around. Even though I am skeptical about getting it from someone on here, because I will spend all day fixing it before I can tune it. So don't come to me with that crap that I came on here disturbing your little network of things. You brought me here, now you get rid of me. Like they all keep saying, it's a free site, then make me leave. The only disruption caused is by the other members of this Forum that no one has ever heard of or even cares about. The year ranges of vehicles in this forum is very small. For a bunch of old men, you sure do know how to cause a disruption very well. And if that sex offender picture is me, then that would mean that you know where I live, so why not come see if it is me?
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James Thomas
"NO CLASS"
Re: tuning on ebay?
Oh JESUS H CHRIST ON A POPCICLE STICK ALREADY :chair: . We have done our part to point out the obvious here. He says he can modify chips, ok cool. As long as he stands behind his warranty claim statements and understands that these trucks are not "run of the mill" and prone to problems / detonation / engine damage etc., that his "tunes" don't defeat the boost and knock safe guards etc. We have made our point that these "tunes" may / may not be better than the off the shelf chips that have been available through the years and may the buyer be ware. In that he is at least willing to take info and attempt or actually make changes for each individual customer is better then JET, Hyper Junk and the others.
Also we have made the point that these "tunes / chips" are not as good as a "real live, hands on, I had your truck for a week to ?? months custom TUNE". You buy a $90 REPLACEMENT CHIP, that’s what you get and it may (??) be good for 20 or more HP. If so then great, $90 is cheap for 20 or more drop in hp IF….. that’s all you want / are expecting. Just don't expect spot on results for anything above a very mild stock truck (no big turbo's, major cam or head mods, nitrous or alky use for sure). :2cents:
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Oh JESUS H CHRIST ON A POPCICLE STICK ALREADY :chair: . We have done our part to point out the obvious here. He says he can modify chips, ok cool. As long as he stands behind his warranty claim statements and understands that these trucks are not "run of the mill" and prone to problems / detonation / engine damage etc., that his "tunes" don't defeat the boost and knock safe guards etc. We have made our point that these "tunes" may / may not be better than the off the shelf chips that have been available through the years and may the buyer be ware. In that he is at least willing to take info and attempt or actually make changes for each individual customer is better then JET, Hyper Junk and the others.
Also we have made the point that these "tunes / chips" are not as good as a "real live, hands on, I had your truck for a week to ?? months custom TUNE". You buy a $90 REPLACEMENT CHIP, that’s what you get and it may (??) be good for 20 or more HP. If so then great, $90 is cheap for 20 or more drop in hp IF….. that’s all you want / are expecting. Just don't expect spot on results for anything above a very mild stock truck (no big turbo's, major cam or head mods, nitrous or alky use for sure). :2cents:
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BigBadSmoosh
Picking fights on I-65 since 2013
Re: tuning on ebay?
here is the problem, you think you know everything about every car/truck.. we are confident that the small production run of our trucks is very specific and mail order chips simply can't do what a person on site driving the truck can.
Its obvious you stand behind your work, and that is good.. please don't come here and think that we don't know what we are doing, especially the members that devote the majority of their free time to improving the community and the way our trucks run.
We will see how your chip acts in a stock truck, it might make some improvments it might not that is left to be seen. Maybe instead of challenging our suggestions maybe you should offer some of your own, all you have been doing is making general blanket statements, none of which has been true when dealing with a syty.
Top Of The Line Perform said:
here is the problem, you think you know everything about every car/truck.. we are confident that the small production run of our trucks is very specific and mail order chips simply can't do what a person on site driving the truck can.
Its obvious you stand behind your work, and that is good.. please don't come here and think that we don't know what we are doing, especially the members that devote the majority of their free time to improving the community and the way our trucks run.
We will see how your chip acts in a stock truck, it might make some improvments it might not that is left to be seen. Maybe instead of challenging our suggestions maybe you should offer some of your own, all you have been doing is making general blanket statements, none of which has been true when dealing with a syty.
Re: tuning on ebay?
i think you are a little ambitious. to say that you can tune a car perfect through mail order is kinda far fetched sounding to me. sure you may be able to improve in some ways, just like the other mass produced chips out there, but it will not be perfect. and drive train loss is calculated by the amount of power that it takes to turn it. no chip is gonna make a drive shaft lighter, period. so you are wrong for saying it will improve drive train losses. i am not sure why you think you can pop in here and think everyone will assume you know what you are doing. and to try and call out some of the way more experienced tuners on here and say that they are out looking for people to attack, thats funny. anytime a scam or possible scam comes up concerning these trucks the board is updated so none of the members here fall for it, new or been here forever. this place is like a second family where trust is most deffanantly earned and not just a gift. you should learn some things about human relations being a buisness man and all. come into a new place offer up some ideas and have someone check it out after you have shown that you are here to for the good of the community then you get some respect. but the way you did it was all wrong. so even if your chips are better (which i HIGHLY doubt) and cheaper than other options, you have already proven to me that you are in no way out for the true purpose of tuning. and i have no intention to support your wallet or ability. you are here to pull some wool over our eyes, and i like to see what is going on. good luck with yourself. i think you have already screwed yourself here.
i think you are a little ambitious. to say that you can tune a car perfect through mail order is kinda far fetched sounding to me. sure you may be able to improve in some ways, just like the other mass produced chips out there, but it will not be perfect. and drive train loss is calculated by the amount of power that it takes to turn it. no chip is gonna make a drive shaft lighter, period. so you are wrong for saying it will improve drive train losses. i am not sure why you think you can pop in here and think everyone will assume you know what you are doing. and to try and call out some of the way more experienced tuners on here and say that they are out looking for people to attack, thats funny. anytime a scam or possible scam comes up concerning these trucks the board is updated so none of the members here fall for it, new or been here forever. this place is like a second family where trust is most deffanantly earned and not just a gift. you should learn some things about human relations being a buisness man and all. come into a new place offer up some ideas and have someone check it out after you have shown that you are here to for the good of the community then you get some respect. but the way you did it was all wrong. so even if your chips are better (which i HIGHLY doubt) and cheaper than other options, you have already proven to me that you are in no way out for the true purpose of tuning. and i have no intention to support your wallet or ability. you are here to pull some wool over our eyes, and i like to see what is going on. good luck with yourself. i think you have already screwed yourself here.
James Thomas
"NO CLASS"
Re: tuning on ebay?
Ha you and I posted basicly the same thing within a minute of each other.
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Ha you and I posted basicly the same thing within a minute of each other.
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Re: tuning on ebay?
I can do what you do every day. I have done it, and could continue in the future if I really wanted to. As far as what I changed having no effect on the tune. It had a huge MEASUREABLE effect on the truck that was noticed right away. There are a plethora of things more important in a tune than the total number of lb-ft and hp it makes.
You CAN NOT change the transmission in these trucks through the ECM. You again are showing you don't know your ass from a VE table with those kinds of remarks. I'll clue you in so you don't like an idiot on that aspect anymore. The transmissions are mechanical. The shift timing, and firmness is controlled with the TV cable, and govenor. I'm sure theres more to it than that, but I'm not a trans expert, nor claim to be. I do know there is only one one wire coming out of the ECM for the trans though, and thats for the TCC. So thats the only thing you can change.
We talk down on you, because you've proven you don't know what you're doing in regards to these trucks. We also are such a small community that we look out for one another. I don't want to see my buddies go spend a good chunk of change on something that can damage his truck. It's the same reason we tell people to stay away from the Kenne Bell KaBoom chips. Sure they went faster, but they disabled knock retard protection altogethor and broke motors, that makes it a bad chip, even though it went faster and made more power.
Until you speak knowledgeably about this application, you are going to continue hitting a brick wall with us. And using scientific terms like "your engine or speedometer will be out of whack" are certainly not doing anything to help your case. Jabberwalk has said he'll run your chip if you send it to him. Why don't you let him test one for you, and get you a good name started here, instead of telling those of us who have been around these trucks and these tunes for years that we are the idiots. The burden of proof is on you to show you have a good product. eBay feedback is not going to cut it. Examples of other chips you've made for your LT1 powered car MIGHT help some. You really need to have good experience and track record to break into this community. There are too many other reputable vendors around to buy from with proven results in this application to take a risk on someone with no tangible results on this application.
Top Of The Line Perform said:
I can do what you do every day. I have done it, and could continue in the future if I really wanted to. As far as what I changed having no effect on the tune. It had a huge MEASUREABLE effect on the truck that was noticed right away. There are a plethora of things more important in a tune than the total number of lb-ft and hp it makes.
You CAN NOT change the transmission in these trucks through the ECM. You again are showing you don't know your ass from a VE table with those kinds of remarks. I'll clue you in so you don't like an idiot on that aspect anymore. The transmissions are mechanical. The shift timing, and firmness is controlled with the TV cable, and govenor. I'm sure theres more to it than that, but I'm not a trans expert, nor claim to be. I do know there is only one one wire coming out of the ECM for the trans though, and thats for the TCC. So thats the only thing you can change.
We talk down on you, because you've proven you don't know what you're doing in regards to these trucks. We also are such a small community that we look out for one another. I don't want to see my buddies go spend a good chunk of change on something that can damage his truck. It's the same reason we tell people to stay away from the Kenne Bell KaBoom chips. Sure they went faster, but they disabled knock retard protection altogethor and broke motors, that makes it a bad chip, even though it went faster and made more power.
Until you speak knowledgeably about this application, you are going to continue hitting a brick wall with us. And using scientific terms like "your engine or speedometer will be out of whack" are certainly not doing anything to help your case. Jabberwalk has said he'll run your chip if you send it to him. Why don't you let him test one for you, and get you a good name started here, instead of telling those of us who have been around these trucks and these tunes for years that we are the idiots. The burden of proof is on you to show you have a good product. eBay feedback is not going to cut it. Examples of other chips you've made for your LT1 powered car MIGHT help some. You really need to have good experience and track record to break into this community. There are too many other reputable vendors around to buy from with proven results in this application to take a risk on someone with no tangible results on this application.
Foot Performance
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Re: tuning on ebay?
every one is tiered of hearn you bitch and tell us how stupid we are and how great you are. How many syty guys buisness are you going to loose maybe 100 you sell so many you wouldnt ever notice (according to you) And as far as saven your reputation good luck if anything you should have kept you mouth shut and maybe a couple guys would have tryied you and now that you have mad an ass of youself I think that is out the window.
I cant stand when people come on here and trash talk the guys who are VERY helpful to the rest of us.
so sorry to you other guy about the rant just a little irritating :rant:
That is the throw down if you are not willing :bigfinger change this and get the hell outa here!
every one is tiered of hearn you bitch and tell us how stupid we are and how great you are. How many syty guys buisness are you going to loose maybe 100 you sell so many you wouldnt ever notice (according to you) And as far as saven your reputation good luck if anything you should have kept you mouth shut and maybe a couple guys would have tryied you and now that you have mad an ass of youself I think that is out the window.
I cant stand when people come on here and trash talk the guys who are VERY helpful to the rest of us.
so sorry to you other guy about the rant just a little irritating :rant:
JS Manufacturing said:
That is the throw down if you are not willing :bigfinger change this and get the hell outa here!
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Flyin Ryan
hated cuz he drives fords
Re: tuning on ebay?
although i've been laughing my ass of at this thread I haven't really said anything.. but one thing that's stood out in my mind has been the fact that the ebay tuner can get your tune perfect the first time just from getting a list of mods you may have in you truck.
I mean anybody i've ever seen or heard of actually tuning via snail mail have always insisted on that customer to have a data logging app of some kind and a wideband so the customer can shoot those logs to the tuner and the tuner can make a chip/changes as see's fit or until he's happy how the customer's truck is running
That right there tells me the real story
although i've been laughing my ass of at this thread I haven't really said anything.. but one thing that's stood out in my mind has been the fact that the ebay tuner can get your tune perfect the first time just from getting a list of mods you may have in you truck.
I mean anybody i've ever seen or heard of actually tuning via snail mail have always insisted on that customer to have a data logging app of some kind and a wideband so the customer can shoot those logs to the tuner and the tuner can make a chip/changes as see's fit or until he's happy how the customer's truck is running
That right there tells me the real story
