tuning on ebay?

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MrNurse

i'm no homo
Re: tuning on ebay?

the question i had asked was about map sensors. you said it would use the stock 2bar, but you are saying 18lbs of boost, how can that be when the stock chip can only read 14.7 lbs of boost. just a question. and really i have had my truck going on two years and i am still just cracking the surface of what there is to know about these trucks. just a question.
 
JSM

JSM

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Re: tuning on ebay?

Top Of The Line Perform said:
All vehicles from 1985-1993 that had a turbo had the same computer as a SyTy. ..................And to guy who talks about finding the code for "turbo spooling": There are no computer sensors hooked up to your turbo, so how in the H*LL is the computer going to control your turbo spooling time.
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Is that true? hmmmmmm

Turbo does have a sensor, and it is called a MAP sensor. Spool is affected by many things mechanical and can be changed with tune. Guess you will just have to wonder.

You saying you can tune every car out there is an overly general term. Some of us tuners know and admit what can and can't be done. I refuse to tune over the internet, just my policy. I don't like to mislead people into thinking I am some magician behind a keyboard.

Now a few syty OWNERS who also Tune do a good job of that, but since I highly suspect you have never owned or maybe ridden in a syty I would not trust your skills.
 
JSM

JSM

Active member
Re: tuning on ebay?

For example: 1989-90 Pontiac Grand Am with a turbo. Did not use our ecm or code. It used something else.

Now I could tell you what mask/ecm it was, but then you would be the master at tuning that car also right?

In my eyes your just as bad as Jet, Hypertech who is selling a chip with minor changes and charging someone. Anybody that has looked at what Jet and Hypertech did on the syty chips would laugh just like I am laughing at your statements.
 
BigBadSmoosh

BigBadSmoosh

Picking fights on I-65 since 2013
Re: tuning on ebay?

if you aren't sitting in the truck, looking at the values from the sensors, comparing/contrasting and then modifying you are producing a generic "tune".. Hell I wouldn't even call it a tune, I'd call it a chip, like hypertech/etc..

We aren't faulting you knowledge of tuning or your ability, we are just entertained by your lack of knowledge about sytys and that you think it is a good idea to give them a generic tune.

Your right the syty and the turbo sunbird share the same ecm, and lots of people use this ecm for their projects but you are way wrong if you think "All turbo vehicles from 1985-1993" used the same computer.

Sounds like you have a decent business model and a market to advertise to, sounds like a good career to me as well. Eitherway, I'd stay away from sytys they can be more of a headache than they are worth.
 
turbodig

turbodig

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Re: tuning on ebay?

Top Of The Line Perform said:
The SyTy is different, but all the concepts are still the same as any other older model vehicle with a turbo on it. All vehicles from 1985-1993 that had a turbo had the same computer as a SyTy.
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Bzzt. That's soooo wrong.

Nothing from '85-87 had the same computer as the SyTy, turbo or not. In fact, they were entirely different ECM generations.

There were several turbo applications in the '88-91 model years that had ECMs and calibrations completely different from a SyTy/Sunbird. Turbo Gran Prix, for one, Lotus and Geo for others.

The only thing that had the same base code was the turbo sunbird, an it didn't have an intercooler. (Not to mention being 4 cylinders, vs. 6) If you think tuning a non-intercooled 4 is the same as an intercooled 6, you're in for a surprise.

This has been a really good thread for SyTy folks... it goes to show that there are a bunch of people willing to sell you something that just won't work.
 
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Top Of The Line Perform

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You are right about one thing, tuning something without an Intercooler is different. I can pull alot more horsepower out of a vehicle with an intercooler than one that doesn't. That theory goes the same for the SyTy having two more cylinders. But I don't think I will be back to this site. I don't have to sit on here all day and explain myself. I have a business to run and I am a busy man. I can tune anything that you put in front of my face. You say that the SyTy is alot different than any other engine, but have you not noticed that it has an engine block, heads, intake, turbo, etc. etc......sounds like the same old sh*t to me. Sounds just like a classic GM engine to me. Just because it has a turbo and intercooler doesn't make it any different. I have tuned many many ECM's that had much more custom setups than the SyTy. I don't have to sit no here and explain that I can tune, I have already proven it and I make a good living doing it. How can you sit at your desk typing to me about how difficult it would be to tune a stock engine? Boy, do you know what kind of setups I am used to tuning. The stock SyTy is nothing to tune. It may be difficult for the newbie who thinks he knows everything. Obviously, the only people complaining about my tuning are people who have not done their research. Research also involves testing the product. If one of you members wants to go out to the local junkyard and find a chip that matches your stock chip, and send it to me, then I will tune it for free so you can still keep your stock chip as a backup to make you feel better. But you have to make me one promise, you have to get back onto this Forum and post the results. Any takers?
 
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Top Of The Line Perform

New member
Re: tuning on ebay?

And just so you know:

4-Wheel Drive 1/2 Ton GMC and Chevy
2-Wheel Drive 1/2 Ton GMC and Chevy
Chevy S10
Chevy S15
GMC T10
GMC T15
GMC Bravada

All these types of vehicles had the same ECM and even the same factory tune as the SyTy's. So like I was saying before; "Have you not done your homework?"
Does anyone use the TunerCAT CALDATA software. Even this software can show you how many vehicles had the same exact tune as the SyTy's did. How can you downgrade my chip when you have never owned one? You must be a very racist person, do you treat everyone this way?
 
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MikeRenz

not stock
Re: tuning on ebay?

so you're going to tune w/ not baseline #s to go off of? If you can tune w/o ever seeing the car or seeing how it reacts to your changes in the tunes....then you sir must be a tuning genious! Do you warranty your tune? If so, i'll gladly let you tune my truck so that I can get a free built motor out of it after your blow it up for me and I get to sue you for the damages.

Also earlier you said some guy sent you pictures and you tuned it. Thats sweet. No ones ever been able to tune just from seeing a pic of the car. You must be super special.

Can you tune my tranny in my other truck for me too? I bought an ecm for that but haven't figured out how to make it shift yet.
 
JSM

JSM

Active member
Re: tuning on ebay?

Top Of The Line Perform said:
And just so you know:

4-Wheel Drive 1/2 Ton GMC and Chevy
2-Wheel Drive 1/2 Ton GMC and Chevy
Chevy S10
Chevy S15
GMC T10
GMC T15
GMC Bravada

All these types of vehicles had the same ECM and even the same factory tune as the SyTy's. So like I was saying before; "Have you not done your homework?"
Does anyone use the TunerCAT CALDATA software. Even this software can show you how many vehicles had the same exact tune as the SyTy's did. How can you downgrade my chip when you have never owned one? You must be a very racist person, do you treat everyone this way?
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Your funny and just shown your own research is wrong! WOW!
 
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MikeRenz

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Re: tuning on ebay?

Top Of The Line Perform said:
And just so you know:

4-Wheel Drive 1/2 Ton GMC and Chevy
2-Wheel Drive 1/2 Ton GMC and Chevy
Chevy S10
Chevy S15
GMC T10
GMC T15
GMC Bravada

All these types of vehicles had the same ECM and even the same factory tune as the SyTy's. So like I was saying before; "Have you not done your homework?"
Does anyone use the TunerCAT CALDATA software. Even this software can show you how many vehicles had the same exact tune as the SyTy's did. How can you downgrade my chip when you have never owned one? You must be a very racist person, do you treat everyone this way?
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racist? haha.

None of those aforementioned trucks don't have the same ecm or factory tune as a syty. Thats just moronic to say. And you aren't going to find many chips in the junkyard from these sytys, becuase no syty lasts long in a junkyard w/o being stripped completely clean of the syty unique parts...including the ecm.
 
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Top Of The Line Perform

New member
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If you know how to tune, then why are you downgrading my chip. Just make your own and stop worrying about mine. That's why you don't have your own tuning business. Because you are a prick and no one will buy anything from you. You would treat your customers the same way. I don't lie to my customers. I only tell them what I can do for them, because I am not a tuning magician either. I won't tell you that I am capable of doing something if I am not. I am not a liar. If I tell you that it can be done, then it can be done. I have many customers call me a day and ask advice about problems they are having, and they want to know if I have a chip to fix their problems and I tell them. I make chips for a hobby, I don't make them because I am a car-doctor. I don't make chips just to cover up a problem. I make them to make your vehicle perform better. So I understand what you are saying. By the way, how do you get two completely different coded programs to run on the same chip from a single coded ECM? Did you teach the ECM a new language?
 
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Top Of The Line Perform

New member
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My chips are warrantied not to harm your vehicle in any way.
That just shows you make fun of my business without even reading the Ebay Listing.
They all have the warranties posted to them.
 
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MikeRenz

not stock
Re: tuning on ebay?

from your ebay ad: "If you can't feel the Horsepower difference we will refund your money back, including shipping, and you can keep the chip."

ok..i'll buy one. I gaurantee i can't feel the difference already. So how about you just give me the chip.


You say you make a nice living from this. Now you also say its just a hobby. Make up your mind.
 
JSM

JSM

Active member
Re: tuning on ebay?

Yep your right I am a total asshole.

That is why I sat in a parking lot in KC last weekend with ~25 trucks around me answering tuning questions from many owners.

I do run a business, I have done custom tunes for people. I tell them when I am done if they don't like my tune I will refund 100% and put the truck back to where it was before. I have never had to refund anybodies money yet.

I am also part of a group that has changed the tuning of these trucks far more than you obviously can grasp, yes we could charge people for this info but because we enjoy the trucks and hobby we have choosen to give away this info and support to owners for free.

Quit frankly the group of us are sick and tired of people like yourself making claims like you are, taking people hard earned cash only to leave them disapointed. I would not have jumped to that conclusion without some of your posts that have so much bogus information in them. (ex: manual trans, the list of trucks you claim have the same ecm/calibration, list goes on).

I will give you some help though so you can update your list of bins and information you downloaded from moates.net or diyefi.org site.

Our ecm uses a $58 mask. The ONLY cars that did were the syty and turbosunbird. No other trucks, cars, bicycles, or short school buses which you seem to have riden in many times.
 
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Top Of The Line Perform

New member
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Send me the four letter code off the back of your stock chip and I will make a chip for you.
Is your stock code AYXU, AYXY, AYYW, AYYX, BAAK, etc. etc.
I will make you a chip for free, but I will not send you an adapter.
You can just solder the damn thing in for being a smart A**. If you want an adapter, then buy your own. They are $39 after shipping, from Moates.net.
 
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MikeRenz

not stock
Re: tuning on ebay?

where is the ecm? whats it look like? I'll go look at it right now if you can explain how i do it.
 
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