Preview of new Ultimate II

ty1548

Member
This is one of the two versions of the new Ultimate II chip display...

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This is a prototype that has been banged around a bit, and the picture quality isn't so hot so don't adjust you monitors. Notice the center red LED, this is a knock indicator. The unit is housed in a 2" gauge enclosure and will fit in all the 2" gauge pods. This gauge style will have a green LED, with larger alphanumerics than the original red LED display. The new Ultimates will have two pushbuttons, one to toggle up, and one down through the settings. There is also a "code" you can enter using these buttons to lock/unlock the setting without having to use an actual mechanical lock like the original. The other version will be in the same enclosure (radar detector size) as the old LED version, also with 2 buttons and knock indicator. There will be a new chip carrier also, and the gauge version will have a 8' heavy duty shielded cable.

These new displays were designed to be interchangeable with the old ones, although the knock indicator will not work without modification to the old carrier. These will be available as upgrades to the old units.

The outright price for these will be $395 for the "radar detector" size, and $415 for the gauge style. The intial upgrade price will be $150 (gauge) and $130 (radar). You'll need to send me your LCD or LED Ultimate chip for the conversion. There will be new versions of the software, versions 8&9. Version 8 will correspond to the old version 7, and 9 to 6. The software isn't finalized but some of the differences are:

1. Timing is lowered in all the T1 settings.
2. T2 timing in the 16, 17 and 18 psi settings will be the same as the old T1- 16, 17, 18 settings.

This change has two functions, it allows those with access to only 91 octane to run with less chance of detonation, and allows more settings to be used with pump gas in general. The new programs will be more "street" friendly, yet have all the popular strip settings when desired. The original Ultimate was geared more towards race only settings, leaving few options for the street. There will also be some boost code changes to speed up spooling on stock turbos, and fueling changes to cure rough/stumbling running when the engine is started both hot or cold.

The reason I posted this now is to inform you guys of what's coming, and to also get an idea of how many/which version of display you may be interested in upgrading to since I think this will probably drive the production numbers initially. In order to avoid delays once these have been officially released, I need to have an estimate of this initial demand. Just send me a quick private mail here to indicate your interest.

We're looking at a time line of about 2-3 weeks before these will be available, both software and hardware, please be patient for the first month or so as Im not geared up to make large quantities immediately. I should mention that those wanting the new software can upgrade that also for a nominal reprogramming fee, around $25.

edited by BG to host pic on chitownsyty
 

Sy769

Donating Member
Good to see new stuff being worked on. Now we need a 4 pod pillar.

Great idea on the toggle up and down, also the knock light. Would be cool if it could be configured so it comes on when the ECM has retarded a preset level of advance.

Keep up the good work.

When cash allows I want one of the radar detector styles. Too much other stuff to put in pods.

What would it take to modify it to use a flash version of the ultimate chip? I am so spoiled on the 29C256 chips.
 

HighPerformanceTrucks

Lift & Shift Specialist
Todd,

Count me in for a dash mounted box. What is the mailing address to send payment and the box?

I would like to see a 24 psi T-1 setting as well. Based on my KR readings, I could run higher than 22 psi without having to resort to super high octane leaded race gas. Otherwise I'm forced to use the more aggressive t-3 timing program for the 24 psi setting.

Another issue I'm having a problem with is my map boost signal seems to be about 2 psi higher than acutal manifold boost. When I'm using a boost controller like BstC Boost Command to control the wastegate duty cycle on my larger than stock turbo, I have to set the Ultimate 2psi higher so I don't the Ultimate doesn't see overboost. I run out of boost adjustment on the Ultimate because the 24 psi setting becomes useless and I am stuck at 22 lbs of actual boost . Maybe a 26 psi setting would be in order?

You asked us for our original controller box back. I guess I'll have to install the stock eprom so I can drive the truck until I receive the upgraded box from you?

Adam Auerbach
Sy #2419
 

Loeryder

New member
Does the upgrade include the old style larger shoe boxes?
Can you swap out a smaller "radar" sized unit for the larger?


Thanks for all your developments,
 

GM TURBO

Sell Out
Is there a way to make it work with the 2 5/8" gauge pod. Some of us need the bigger gauges for our old eyes.
 

ty1548

Member
Don't send anything yet, I'll give those instructions when I have some of these ready to ship.

At this point I can't explain the 2 psi difference between your boost controller and the MAP sensor. I also was not aware of many people using the T1-22 setting, in fact that was going to be eliminated to make room for a T2-16, which would be nearly identical to the old T1-16. This goes with the theme of more street friendly programs. Keep in mind that you don't need to update the software, which isn't part of the hardware upgrade. If you like the current versions then you may want to keep them. The new ones aren't meant to be faster necessarily, just another option. I'm not sure that was clear. The V6 and V7 programs will still be available. Time will tell if people get better results by running say the new T1-18 over the old T1-16 or 17. You're trading timing for boost.

As far as trading the "shoebox" (good one), yes, you can get the "radar" style in it's place.

Sorry, no 2 5/8". I had a b*tch of a time getting the 2" designed and I don't want to go through that again for another size.

I did make an omission/error in the original post. I stated that to upgrade to the gauge style will cost $150, *but*, I forgot to mention that you will not have the knock sensor function unless you also get the new carrier. This is because the gauge has the longer 8' cable that is not compatable with the old carriers. So, no problem if you want the "radar" style, you'll have the knock feature also. I think what I'll do is make the upgrade to gauge the same price as the "radar" ($130), but if you want the knock feature you'll have to add the carrier/cable for a total of $165.

Are many of you using the T1-22 setting? If many are using it I'll eliminate something else.
 
i'd like to see egr function disabled on every setting except t1/15.
i'd like to know more about what's changed to improve spool on stock turbos - how about a version for moderate size wheels - 20g, et al.?
i'm about to go boost command a la the russian barbell.
thanks
mike
 
i use it - t1/22 - most of the time if i am beating up on it - i cruise in t3-18 for good throttle response from the timing and no egr. rattles hard tho past 12 psi.
 

ParTyBoy

New member
Re: Preview of new Ultimate II

ty1548 said:
The other version will be in the same enclosure (radar detector size) as the old LED version, also with 2 buttons and knock indicator. There will be a new chip carrier also, and the gauge version will have a 8' heavy duty shielded cable.

These new displays were designed to be interchangeable with the old ones, although the knock indicator will not work without modification to the old carrier. These will be available as upgrades to the old units.

The outright price for these will be $395 for the "radar detector" size, and

edited by BG to host pic on chitownsyty

This radar detector version... is it an exact copy of the 2nd gen ultimate LED .. with the exception of the knock indicator LED...? Is the plan to make an ultimate similar to a radar detector that can be placed in a windshield mount type apparatus or am I getting ahead of myself here.. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

ty1548

Member
To answer the questions about 50# versions, yes, this new hardware will work for those cals. You'll still need to send the old hardware, your software will not be altered.

The "radar detector" version has the identical enclosure as before, just new circuitry inside. I would think that you could find a mounting device to stick it on your windshield if that's were you wanted it. I think I've seen adjustable generic mounting brackets for radar detectors with the suction cups for the windshield at auto parts stores/catalogs.

I'm making changes in the initial wg table to bring the boost up faster. Brian has some other ideas which may or may not be immediately incorporated. These changes may require those with larger turbos or stock turbos with good boost response with the current versions to lengthen their wg rods a bit to prevent boost overshoots. Again, the software is not part of the hardware upgrade, so if you keep your current programs don't worry about this. If you have a slow responding stock turbo, this will help.

EGR is currently disabled in all but the T1-15 setting.

Raceprovenmotors as well as McCoy will still be the retail distributors of these chip packages, although at least initially the upgrade package will have to go through me as I'm the only one who can do the necessary mods.

I'm still sifting through the private emails so please be patient
 

JustBeachin

Plays well with others
Todd,

I'd be int'd in the gauge mounted one, with KR indicator, keep us updated as to when they're gonna be available.
 

ty1548

Member
Any interest in this...

For the "radar detector" style, there's been a request to have the option of locating the knock detector LED remotely from the display box. For example, locating the display in the glovebox but mounting the LED in a small hole drilled into the A-pillar or dash or ? I can do this or at least offer this as an inexpensive option if there's interest.

This was suggested by one of the beta testers, Keith Ranley, and sounded like a good idea but I need to know now before I have all the new circuit boards built.

I've also had some questions about the sensitivity of the knock detector, it starts blinking above 2 degrees of knock retard. Blinks faster and brighter the worse the knock gets from there.
 
i would trade boost for timing any day.
whole idea of timing advance is to work around inefficient combustion.
i would also happily lengthen - or eat - the wgate rod to get better spool- (overboost is pretty much gonna happen no matter what on anything with an exhaust and oem turbo - i used to see near 30 psi top of 3rd gear with the stock turbo, no matter where the chip was set)
the 20g is signif better in that regard, but still overboosts somewhat hard.
the new d'pipe from js will take care of that.
i know the turbo can spool faster - it's instant with the solenoid not hooked up to the turbo.
thanks todd and brian - this is neat doo doo.
if i had a spare hole (oh, shut up!) i would go to the gauge display but they're all filled (shut up again)
i do wanna try the new programming - how soon can that be done?
 

Daron

Active member
ty1548 said:
Any interest in this...

For the "radar detector" style, there's been a request to have the option of locating the knock detector LED remotely from the display box. For example, locating the display in the glovebox but mounting the LED in a small hole drilled into the A-pillar or dash or ? I can do this or at least offer this as an inexpensive option if there's interest.

This was suggested by one of the beta testers, Keith Ranley, and sounded like a good idea but I need to know now before I have all the new circuit boards built.

I've also had some questions about the sensitivity of the knock detector, it starts blinking above 2 degrees of knock retard. Blinks faster and brighter the worse the knock gets from there.

The remote Knock LED's would rock. I am a controller in the glovebox kinda guy. I have the DIY knock LED setup on the Sy and like it.
 

Loeryder

New member
The remote Knock LED's would rock. I am a controller in the glovebox kinda guy. I have the DIY knock LED setup on the Sy and like it.

Ditto, and everything else is sounding better and better.
 
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