New chip update

JSM

JSM

Active member
As mentioned before several of us are working on a new chip. Progress is being made to get a stable version released of where we are now.

We have several testers now hopefully giving it a shot for themselves. Hopefully by nats the crew can have a stable version and release it to the masses.

I know I will have atleast 2 trucks there with new code, might even be ready to race on the new code with Jeremy's truck.
 
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MikeRenz

not stock
Re: New chip update

so...with this chip your combo shouldn't matter correct? Just the initial few "learns" might be way off if you have an odd build until it starts dialing you in?
 
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2kwik4u

Resident slow guy
Re: New chip update

MikeRenz said:
so...with this chip your combo shouldn't matter correct? Just the initial few "learns" might be way off if you have an odd build until it starts dialing you in?
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I'm 99.99% sure thats the idea.

Ultimately the idea is that it takes readings and measurements from YOUR truck, and modifies YOUR bin to insure that you have the best tune available. This eliminate ALOT of the headache of trying to "dial in" an off-the-shelf chip.
 
JSM

JSM

Active member
Re: New chip update

This chip won't just tune itself.

Best I can explain is this, it would be like me dropping you out of a plane with a gps and say find home. You could do it and get there (the chip will do the same thing, it will find the correct fuel based on WB input), but if I drop you off in Africa it will take you awhile to find home, same thing with the chip if you tell the ecm to start in Africa by the time it finds the right fuel amount things have changed.

You still very much will need to tune, the more accurate the tune is the less work the ecm will need to do. At this point although we have closed loop wideband it also only function when the engine is in vacuum (we have plans to improve later).

Good news is we have developed some tools that will guide you in the right direction on how to change the fuel tables. So far this tool is working fairly well with just a few tweaks needed depending on the situation.

There are several other features though this chip has, closed loop wideband is really only part of it.

Boost control is much improved. You can now setup a launch boost, and have boost raise -vs- mph. Nice if you make too much power to launch at full boost without spinning. The control itself is much more stable.

Wideband hacks are now gone.
 
leroy

leroy

Donating Member
Re: New chip update

JS Manufacturing said:
Best I can explain is this, it would be like me dropping you out of a plane with a gps and say find home.
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I love your analogy. Can I have a parachute too? lol

Jim
 
ashman

ashman

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Re: New chip update

let's rephrase this...the CODE will be free. the equipment to implement it will cost money.
 
skwayb

skwayb

NWSTP
Re: New chip update

Yah you need a 3 Bar Map and a WBo2 Controller with it hooked into your ECM, plus basics needed for tuning (TunerPro, Laptop, Emulator/Chip Burner) you will be able to run this. So what ever it costs for you to aquire those times that is how it is going to cost you.
 
turbodig

turbodig

Active member
Re: New chip update

ashman said:
let's rephrase this...the CODE will be free. the equipment to implement it will cost money.
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Let's see.... everything you'd need... (assuming you don't already have some of this stuff)

LC1 Wide-band $219
Moates G1 chip adapter: $80
Flash chip $9
Tunerpro RT license $35
Moates flash-n-burn $80
Datamaser/Tunerpro cable from PPI Typhoon $46 http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=32127&highlight=datamaster+cable

Laptop capable of running the software: $200-$300 (Used, Ebay)
MS Excel to run AutoTune $80 (Although I'll be testing against Open Office eventually)
Binary file for chip $0
Various shipping costs: $20
3Bar MAP $70

Grand Total $859. Not really that free.

Now, by contrast, here's what it'll cost you to get a decent chip from someone who tunes:

Datamaser/Tunerpro cable from PPI Typhoon $46
Laptop capable of running the software: $200-$300 (Used, Ebay)
LC1 Wide-band $219
Tunerpro RT license $35
Tuner Fee: ~$300-400
3Bar MAP $70
Grand Total: $1070

Or, option 3:

Buy an "off the shelf" chip supposedly custom burned for your setup: $200-$500
Cost of motor when (not if) it blows: Approx $3000-$7000. (And up!)

Total: $7500 (or more!)

And, option 3 doesn't factor in the fact that you'll be much slower than if you had it tuned.


Bottom line... there is no substitue for a properly tuned truck. You can fool yourself into
believing that a Pitbull or a supposedly "custom burned chip" will work for you, but in the
end you spend much more in trying to find out what's wrong, and you never realize
anywhere near your potential. If you didn't get at least 8-9 chips burned for you after
sending data, you didn't get anything.

What the new code does (or at least attempts to do), is to make it *easier* for the average
joe/jane with basic mechanical skills to get their truck into a decent tune.

If you have no mechanical knowledge or inclination, I'd urge you to find yourself a good
tuner. It never ceases to amaze me the number of people who will fork out $1600 for a
turbo and a downpipe, but will balk at $400 for a good tune. The tune will buy you more
horsepower and reliability than any bolt-on mod you can ever purchase.
 
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JSM

JSM

Active member
Re: New chip update

turbodig said:
It never ceases to amaze me the number of people who will fork out $1600 for a
turbo and a downpipe, but will balk at $400 for a good tune. The tune will buy you more
horsepower and reliability than any bolt-on mod you can ever purchase.
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:tup: :tup:
 
SyTyJedi

SyTyJedi

Jedi Council
Re: New chip update

turbodig said:
It never ceases to amaze me the number of people who will fork out $1600 for a
turbo and a downpipe, but will balk at $400 for a good tune. The tune will buy you more
horsepower and reliability than any bolt-on mod you can ever purchase
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Exactly. Agree x 100.

Those last few hours tuning the truck on the road or dyno is where the real power and driveability is made. I've seen cars go from 4xx rwhp to 6xx rwhp w/o changing parts, just from tuning. Figure 75/hr x 4 hours on dyno = 300 bucks. Would you pay 300 extra bucks for 200 hp? Of course the 300 is in addition to the software/hardware needed to make those changes.
 
qbnkiller

qbnkiller

Conflaguration Specialist
Re: New chip update

It has been said in this (as well as many other) threads that the best possible solution is a custom-tuned chip. There are no two trucks exactly alike. As time goes on, there are changes you will do to your truck...maybe that sweet A2A IC, or that cool PTE52..maybe the exhaust gets a cutout...who cares. With this option, you can make your own changes, spending as much time as you want, to refine your tune. If you have an off-the-shelf chip, it's it and that's that. A tune that, at best, will be 70% there. It may be better than you have, but it isn't great by any means.

There is tons of power in a tune...your truck will live longer and be happier. You will actually have fun with your truck.
 
ashman

ashman

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Re: New chip update

one off the best things about this new code is the rules that go along with it. if you do a tune, your expected to post that tune for others to see and build upon. that should allow us to see patterns in tunes and should make it easier to help people troubleshoot problems.

also, the new code seems easier to follow. the tables are labelled logically and some tables have been combined, which makes it easier to understand.

plus...from the posts above, you can see that THE BEST tuners will be involved with this. hopefully this will kick off a resurgence of tuning posts.

i would suggest to anyone interested in getting into this, to start gathering and using the equipment because, with each item listed above there is a learning curve and it will be much more enjoyable tuning your truck if you not worrying about how to connect the ALDL cable to your truck, or how to connect the chip burning hardware to your computer, or how to burn a bin, or how to edit a bin....etc...etc...etc.

one more thing...TunerPro IS the software you will be using with this code. Datamaster can't be used.
 
SeattleSy#1255

SeattleSy#1255

Category 5 Conservative
Re: New chip update

What about the suggestion that local area groups, such as seattle/bellevue and others accross the nation go into these needed items together and share. Just a thought to keep cost down, assuming everyone is willing to share, pitch in, and not hog everything.

Just a thought.
 
dgoodhue

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
Re: New chip update

SeattleSy#1255 said:
What about the suggestion that local area groups, such as seattle/bellevue and others accross the nation go into these needed items together and share. Just a thought to keep cost down, assuming everyone is willing to share, pitch in, and not hog everything.
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How much are you really going to share though? Laptops, software, cable maybe I prefer to have my owner for datalogging (this is most of the cost). Burner, Yeah. Wide band some wiring is needed, who pays when the O2 sensor burns out. Adpater, 3 bar , Flash chip is necessary for each vehicle.

turbodig said:
LC1 Wide-band $219
Moates G1 chip adapter: $80
Flash chip $9
Tunerpro RT license $35
Moates flash-n-burn $80
Datamaser/Tunerpro cable from PPI Typhoon $46 http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=32127&highlight=datamaster+cable

Laptop capable of running the software: $200-$300 (Used, Ebay)
MS Excel to run AutoTune $80 (Although I'll be testing against Open Office eventually)
Binary file for chip $0
Various shipping costs: $20
3Bar MAP $70

Grand Total $859.
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