Multichip display preview *movie added, second page*

[PPI Typhoon]

Since my chip so far has no rhyme or reason, here's an example if I come up with an Ultimate interface:

 

[PPI Typhoon]

dan would you and some of the other great minds here be able to produce one similar to that?

Sure, I don't see why not. I'm willing.

 

[PPI Typhoon]

Not that it's exciting or anything, but the addressing unit is already done. I made the movie for displaying the switching. I've had it in the truck and it works great, and now you can see that I'm working on the display.

http://www.audioatmosphere.net/~dan/DAN/switcher.zip

 

[TheObiJuan]

say i have an ultimate for fuel control and boost control not enabled.
and i have a blitz sbcid for boost control.
would that display be dynamic, where the boost value would increase and decrease as i set it, or is it just outputing what the ultimate tells it to.

 

[Ian Turgeon]

hehe, users want the world dont they

how about making it a compact flash mp3 player too?
How about recording my runs to a compact flash card, so I can get them into datamaster on my computer?

(last one would actually be pretty sweet, run dm on my pc, and always have my monitor in the truck with a cf card installed)

No need for a laptop. With your hands on the right stuff, you could make a piggy back connecter that plugs in between the harness and ecm, easy install.

 

[PPI Typhoon]

say i have an ultimate for fuel control and boost control not enabled.
and i have a blitz sbcid for boost control.
would that display be dynamic, where the boost value would increase and decrease as i set it, or is it just outputing what the ultimate tells it to.

All that would take is a pressure transducer hooked up to a 555, which varies pulse width. That frequency is measured by the chip, which translates it from a table inside the chip to a digital reading. It's certainly possible, and that might be an option after I get the first one out.

Since the response here and in emails has been so great. Here's what I'm thinking of versions:

Standalone 3-bar multichip w/display for those without an Ultimate
Ultimate interface display (not 50# chips)
Ultimate 50# chip interface display w/boost measurement interface

They're all entirely possible.

 

[TheObiJuan]

All that would take is a pressure transducer hooked up to a 555, which varies pulse width. That frequency is measured by the chip, which translates it from a table inside the chip to a digital reading. It's certainly possible, and that might be an option after I get the first one out.

did you write for star trek?
hehehe

thanks dan, your efforts are extremely appreciated.

Ian, the CF idea is a damn good idea. nothing against laptops,but they are bulky and fly around sometimes.[/quote]

 

[sytyfreak]

Dammit! someone get a pencil and a paper and start writting all the ideas :wink:

 

[rockvillespeed]

oh drool....
ok - i would cream my jeans for an ALDL monitor, with selectable items, text large enuff to read, combined with the ultimate chip switcher, in blue el lighting.
oh - peak value memory, also, please!
YOU WILL BE THE GOD AND I HAVE CASH IN HAND!!!!!
it's a real bitch tryin' to read my scantool while driving!

 

[PPI Typhoon]

Ok, I've been getting a lot of questions for an Ultimate display

Here's a movie of the 16 programs showing selection and readouts. I already noticed one bug with the flashing display at the end, but this shoudl give you an idea.

http://www.audioatmosphere.net/~dan/DAN/display.zip

Feedback??

Thanks

 

[TheObiJuan]

nice!
keep the great work done.

 

[SY756]

Kinda like:

(sorry, I dont remember who was making this)

I may be way off but wasn't Ron Gregory working on something like that back in 99 or 00. I could have sworn I saw something like that at the 99 Nats and I thought it was Ron who had it. Way too many beers since then so I'm not for sure. :drinking: Someone else may remember.

 

[TheObiJuan]

i think he had scanmaster working on his truck

 

[canadian]

ron had a stand alone box on his truck at kc2k that i got to see work. iirc, there was a big display and by pushing one of the buttons it would cycle between the values he was grabbing from the aldl. all self-contained, just plug into the aldl. last i heard it was either time or problems getting all the parts in bulk that stopped a mass production of it.

now, what would be cool here is:

* el display
* ability to reverse the letters so that you could put it on the dash and use
it like a heads up display. i know there's something like this out there.
* self contained power supply (maybe a 9V battery). i'm not a fan of having
to plug shit in all over the truck 'cause it's ugly.
* ability to record runs. i think ron was planning on sending the output to a
32k rom and a serial connector on the back to download it to a pc.
* ability to program the display from a pc (ie: i want to have a, b, and c
displayed, then when i click the button i want d, e, and f displayed.

i'd be willing to chip in some time to help with that last one if possible. just my 2 cents, but that's what i think would be cool.

now if you wanted to get real freaky, pipe the output in NTSC format so you can hook up one of those 6" LCD's that are always on eBay to make a "digital dash" that you can mount on the steering column.

 

[PPI Typhoon]

Well, there are larger microprocessors than the ones I use, and they can support such functinos. I imagine if someone had the time, you could actually replace your ECM with your own design.

But as far as sensors are concerned, that's certainly possible. You can either go directly off the ALDL port, or from the sensors themselves. This is what I mean by making your own ECM, because once you're tapping off the harness, you can tell the processor what to do. And that's just a simple way of describing how the ECM works in the first place. But now that I have the Ultimate interface programmed, I just need to do a board layout and casing.

This is where I need more feedback.

Dashmount?
Visor Mount?

Can anyone think of another mounting option?

Reason being is that I can get the casing manufactured in a few different ways to accomodate for the same circuit.

Anyhow, if you have more ideas, please throw em out. I'm reading them all.

Thanks,

 

[PPI Typhoon]

ron had a stand alone box on his truck at kc2k that i got to see work. iirc, there was a big display and by pushing one of the buttons it would cycle between the values he was grabbing from the aldl. all self-contained, just plug into the aldl. last i heard it was either time or problems getting all the parts in bulk that stopped a mass production of it.

now, what would be cool here is:

* el display
* ability to reverse the letters so that you could put it on the dash and use
it like a heads up display. i know there's something like this out there.
* self contained power supply (maybe a 9V battery). i'm not a fan of having
to plug shit in all over the truck 'cause it's ugly.
* ability to record runs. i think ron was planning on sending the output to a
32k rom and a serial connector on the back to download it to a pc.
* ability to program the display from a pc (ie: i want to have a, b, and c
displayed, then when i click the button i want d, e, and f displayed.

i'd be willing to chip in some time to help with that last one if possible. just my 2 cents, but that's what i think would be cool.

now if you wanted to get real freaky, pipe the output in NTSC format so you can hook up one of those 6" LCD's that are always on eBay to make a "digital dash" that you can mount on the steering column.

Those are all reasaonable except the self contained power supply. If you're using that circuit to control the addressing of a chip, that means when the battery runs out, your chip defaults to 0x0000, which in the Ultimate's case is the security setting, aka your truck dies. Not sure about that one.......

 

[kwick6]

Just a thought but maybe try and change the security setting.

I don't know if it could be done, but maybe change it so you have to hold the button in for 3 sec to set the security. It would be better if you didn't have to scroll through the security setting along with the other programs.

Also if you planned on doing the dash display or somewhere visable within the truck, maybe change the display to a flashing "ARMED", so that anyone looking into the truck would see that.


Just some ideas.

later,

Scott

 

[BigBadSmoosh]

damn.. so jealous.. im actually a EE, senior year.. I should be doing this sh|t but of course I dont have a truck to work on.. so Im probably gonna do something similar with my blazer and OBD II, which is a pain in the ass, eitherway good work..

its ideal to grab the 12v from somewhere on the truck instead of having a battery for multiple reasons..

running off the sensors themselves is kind of dangerous especially when your dealing with a o2 sensor that deals in fractions of a volt, its probably much better to grab off the output of the ecm.

if anyone decides to mass produce a product as such, and needs another hand, id be will to put whatever free time I have into such a design.. hell I could probably use it as my senior design project

 

[PPI Typhoon]

damn.. so jealous.. im actually a EE, senior year.. I should be doing this sh|t but of course I dont have a truck to work on.. so Im probably gonna do something similar with my blazer and OBD II, which is a pain in the ass, eitherway good work..

its ideal to grab the 12v from somewhere on the truck instead of having a battery for multiple reasons..

running off the sensors themselves is kind of dangerous especially when your dealing with a o2 sensor that deals in fractions of a volt, its probably much better to grab off the output of the ecm.

if anyone decides to mass produce a product as such, and needs another hand, id be will to put whatever free time I have into such a design.. hell I could probably use it as my senior design project

Yeah, I never did this stuff when I was going to school for my EE either. THe most I ever did was a remote car start unit. But it was nothing compared to this unit.

But you don't need to have a truck to mess around with this stuff. I'm doing all of this in my office. Addressing is visually represented by 4 LEDs (16 position binary), and then the display with a pushbutton switch. All you need is an LCD screen, a controller, and time.

When it comes to programming trucks, BG still has that one down better than most, if not better than everyone. I have my own 3-bar chip, but I only have a setting up to 18 psi so far, because that's all my truck can handle at this point. But as far as the programming for these displays, there's no truck needed. ::thumbsup::

 

[BigBadSmoosh]

I've fooled around with lcds before in relation to computers, (hooking them up to the serial/parallel port and displaying things) but I was going to venture into using them in cars/trucks.. if you notice newer 00+ GM cars/trucks have a small "message" center that is actually a lcd, a graphical one at that, that displays I believe anyone of 36 messages instead of the dummy lights we are all used to on the dash..

Its a neat addition to the dash board, I just with it would give more indepth information.. (IE: MPG, trip milage, etc, old cadillacs did this and BMWs sorta)

eitherway, good work.. I unfortunately don't have any lap setup at home.. only at school (I go back the begining of january) but yeah, this year I plan on doing something to interface with OBD II, I know there are a ton of products out there, but a stand alone 4x20 lcd would be nice to just plub into the port and display information not given by the dash.

as for programming ecms.. well I havent touched it, Im interested in it, but I just dont have the means nessacary to learn or test.. Ive worked on countless motorola hc11s, i know the assembly inside and out.. so I figure i should be able to adapt that to the sy/ty ecms.. I just havent found a test bed yet.