Launching with four drag radials

nastety92

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I have a 92 Typhoon and I'm running four Mickey Thompson drag radials with stock rims. For people who have four drag radials, do you get the drag radials warm before launching? Do you do a dry hop to get them cleaned off? Does anyone roll through the water box and get all four smokey? I've talked to a bunch of people with these tires but they all have RWD cars and say they love the MT drag radials, but they all do burnouts before launching and thats kind of hard for me. I'm sure my truck can do it, but I know the drvetrain is taking a beating.
Any and all comments would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Nick
 
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sy2675

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Re: Launching with four drag radials

I'll be watching this thread, i got 4 nitto 555r drag radials on zr1's yesterday :lol: . Will be interesting to see what you guys have to say about this topic.
 
Re: Launching with four drag radials

I've got the nitto d/r's. I go through the water box stop just out of it hold the brakes build about 5-6psi hit the gas ,dump the brake and burn them to the starting line. Datamaster shows wheel speed goes to about 50-55mph.

Best 60' 1.48
but it is usualy in the 1.52-53 range
Works for me........ but hey I break stuff.
 

nastety92

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Re: Launching with four drag radials

Maverick87 said:
I've got the nitto d/r's. I go through the water box stop just out of it hold the brakes build about 5-6psi hit the gas ,dump the brake and burn them to the starting line. Datamaster shows wheel speed goes to about 50-55mph.
Best 60' 1.48
but it is usualy in the 1.52-53 range
Works for me........ but hey I break stuff.

Nice Maverick87 good job, I was wondering if people actually did that and how it affected the 60' times. What kind of suspention mods do you have? Which wheels do you run?

Thanks for the info,
Nick
 

Six-is-Enough

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Re: Launching with four drag radials

NASTETy92 said:
I have a 92 Typhoon and I'm running four Mickey Thompson drag radials with stock rims. For people who have four drag radials, do you get the drag radials warm before launching? Do you do a dry hop to get them cleaned off? Does anyone roll through the water box and get all four smokey? I've talked to a bunch of people with these tires but they all have RWD cars and say they love the MT drag radials, but they all do burnouts before launching and thats kind of hard for me. I'm sure my truck can do it, but I know the drvetrain is taking a beating.
Any and all comments would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Nick

Yes a "burnout" is better for traction. A little heat goes a long way. Just have someone make sure they put down alot of water and if the tires start to grab and wheel hop let off. The wheel hopping is what breaks stuff. Spinning doesn't hurt a thing.

Here is a video of my truck from last weekend. I run 4 BFG drag radials mounted on 16" ls1 camaro 5 spoke rims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cherKUV8Yek

The run is after a little crazy stuff that happened on way to track.
 

nastety92

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Re: Launching with four drag radials

Six-is-Enough said:
Yes a "burnout" is better for traction. A little heat goes a long way. Just have someone make sure they put down alot of water and if the tires start to grab and wheel hop let off. The wheel hopping is what breaks stuff. Spinning doesn't hurt a thing.
Here is a video of my truck from last weekend. I run 4 BFG drag radials mounted on 16" ls1 camaro 5 spoke rims.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cherKUV8Yek
The run is after a little crazy stuff that happened on way to track.

Do you have any suspention mods done? What is your best 60' time with this technique?
Thanks,
Nick
 

Six-is-Enough

Use to do a little Boost
Re: Launching with four drag radials

JS Manufacturing said:
No suspension mods, 1.62 best 60ft.

It does have front limiters and my best is a 1.638 to be exact. On that pass it was a 1.65. Also note that I have an 4l80E transmission. The 1st gear in a 80e is like a 2.48 compared to a 700r4 4.06. This hurts my 60' a little bit. I run the stock turbo and stock motor also.
 

Silly

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Re: Launching with four drag radials

Stock suspension and stock longblock went 1.55 60' on 4 nitto drag radials on ROH wheels.

No burnout, just pulled up the the starting line, build about 6-8psi, launch at about 75% throttle then immediatly mash to 100% throttle. Seemed to work well.

But on the same note, after 20 or so minutes of highway driving I was easily able to yank a wheel coming out of a toll booth, mainly because the tires were nice and warm.
 

NOJIMMY

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Re: Launching with four drag radials

....I think this is a really cool subject....
Dunno if this helps SyTy`ers, but there is a pretty good article on tires at [url="http://www.fscmag.com/techstory/issue1004/techstory1004.html."]
http://www.fscmag.com/techstory/issue1004/techstory1004.html.

[/url]Hoosier also has a bunch of "tire tips" on the internet (found via google).

...with regard to launching....
There seems to be a world of difference in opinions between compounds,
tire manufacturers, radial vs bias tires, tread designs, and sizes (not even
considering tire pressure, tubes vs no tubes, the use of stickie compounds or
bleach, and suspension settings like caster, toe-in, and camber). Adding the
confusion of gearing (rear end, transmission, and whether posi-traction, spools,
or open diff`s are used in the front) I think comparisons between vehicles is difficult.
Not too mention Dot drag radials, vs slicks differences, or light weight rims.
We all know that caltracs, spring rates, shocks, suspension limiters, and
wheelbase lengths (Sy vs Tys) plus vehicle weight (battery placement, etc) all
make for different 60 foot times. Not to mention coil over, 4-link, watts, or
ladder bar installations. I guess even tracks differ as well.

Im also amazed at the different boost pressures people launch at (some with
transbrakes, some with brake line multipliers or hydra-boost; others with
6 piston calipers or larger rear master cylinders; and yet others with a combo
of rpm limiters, boost controllers, and line locks. There does seem to be consensus
on internet that overheating tires is not good (bleeding off certain compounds to the surface);
and that underheating is not optimum (ie a certain amount of "cleaning" is required).
Some say temps of 6-7 degrees above outside temps is good. Others look
at the "patch" of rubber laid down to see dark/light spots (to determine tire
pressure and stickyness). And others swear at dry-hopping.

I have seen pics of three rwd Typhoons that could pull the front ends routinely:
Deans, Tom F. and now Mike/RPM`s. Never seen this done to this degree
with a Syclone or an awd-nontransbrake Typhoon however. It may be due to launching,
tires, suspension, or weigh or ???.....<dunno>.

Anyways, I found it interesting that some racers use Nitrogen (see below).
So talking about this subject is very informative. Especially with those getting
great straight line/low 60` numbers.

"Nitrogen is generally used in racing tires. It's not so much that it reduces thermal gas expansion (the tendency of gas to expand its volume when heated), but rather that it makes this expansion more predictable. The water content in compressed air will vary from source to source, changing the rate and degree of heat expansion. Moisture-free nitrogen always acts the same way when heat is applied, so if the engineers know the rate of heat generation in a tire they can accurately predict hot pressure."
-Larry
 

NOJIMMY

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Re: Launching with four drag radials

...piggybacking on this thread and above posting...
Has anyone proved or disproved the theory about sidewall sizes (aiding or hindering) traction?
Earlier postings said that rims 17" or greater (even with wide tread widths) hindered performance,
(not getting the stored energy and such in sidewall - like a wrinklewall).

Others posting said it was a matter of weight of vehicle per square inch of tire patch, that
made a difference (ie wide tires on ice syndrome).

-Larry
 

nastety92

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Re: Launching with four drag radials

NOJIMMY said:
...piggybacking on this thread and above posting...
Has anyone proved or disproved the theory about sidewall sizes (aiding or hindering) traction?
Earlier postings said that rims 17" or greater (even with wide tread widths) hindered performance,
(not getting the stored energy and such in sidewall - like a wrinklewall).
Others posting said it was a matter of weight of vehicle per square inch of tire patch, that
made a difference (ie wide tires on ice syndrome).
-Larry

Larry great previous posts, thats a lot to think about. I've only run 16" drag radials, but I do hear from anyone that tries to launch with larger and wider rims they all seem to have problems with spinning a lot. I would have to say with a 16" or smaller tire your getting the wrinkle which seems to be needed to make the truck not spin.

Nick
 
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Tire size didnt slow me down went from running 1.67 60' on 245/50/16 radials to running 1.61 60' on the big z1s on real radials. And now can break into the high1.4X 60' on dr's. So imo the argument for it slowing you down dont hold water.

Also I have limiters up front, belltec 3" drop springs, and the battle bars in the back.
 

nastety92

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Re: Launching with four drag radials

Maverick87 said:
Tire size didnt slow me down went from running 1.67 60' on 245/50/16 radials to running 1.61 60' on the big z1s on real radials. And now can break into the high1.4X 60' on dr's. So imo the argument for it slowing you down dont hold water.
Also I have limiters up front, belltec 3" drop springs, and the battle bars in the back

What type of limitors do you have in the front end? Do you have any pictures? See this is how you get first hand information about wheel size and combinations.

Nick
 
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Sorry dont have pics. But I will get the camara and share the wealth.

The ones I have are homemade. Took out the rubber bumbstot on the uper control arm welded a 1/2" nut to the bottom and have a long bolt through it. Can have from stock to no rise in the front.

Be monday before the pics will be up.
 

nastety92

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Re: Launching with four drag radials

Maverick87 said:
Sorry dont have pics. But I will get the camara and share the wealth.
The ones I have are homemade. Took out the rubber bumbstot on the uper control arm welded a 1/2" nut to the bottom and have a long bolt through it. Can have from stock to no rise in the front.
Be monday before the pics will be up.

Thanks for the info Maverick. When your driving the truck with the limitors in do they make a loud metal on metal noise when they hit/ stop? Or, do you leave them in all the time or just for the track?

Thanks again,
Nick
 
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