How many people have had their syty's catch on fire? I almost did today!

Syclone22

Member
Re: How many people have had their syty's catch on fire? I almost did today!

That's fine. But how did the Ignition switch pass current into the starter circuit while it was parked unattended?

The power came in on the red wire TO the ignition switch. Left on the yellow wire to a Bosch anti-theft relay, (the N.C. contacts) then to the PN switch, and continued out on the purple wire. Looking at the yellow and purple wire at the center consol, they're fried, and obviously were both carrying current.

Here are the mysteries: A: The ignition was off. The truck was parked. So how did current get from the red B+ to the yellow wire (Start) at the ignition switch?
B: The purple wire was carrying current from the P/N switch. Which was in park, so that makes sense. So far, the purple wire in the engine bay is fine. So how did the purple wire find a ground? When we get the dash harness out, we can open it up, and see where the purple wire damage ends.

So there's two parts to this that don't make sense. The truck started and was driven to a destination and shut off. So it was normal. Then A:Something happened to the Ignition Switch. B: Something grounded the purple wire.

I'll figure it out. But I haven't yet, and not tonight.

I would advice to also install a battery kill switch when
relocating battery to the trunk( bed ) it helps when this happens !!! :tup:
 

canadian

sy in progress
Re: How many people have had their syty's catch on fire? I almost did today!

Grounded through the shifter cable up to the P/N wire to the ignition switch. Just a hair brained, half assed, probably totally 100% wrong guess.
 

Don W.

Stab it and steer it
Re: How many people have had their syty's catch on fire? I almost did today!

If anybody can figure this out it's probably Dave. Gonna be difficult though. Correct me if I'm wrong but the truck "gets" all its power through the two fuseable links so why didn't they just melt? I wonder if some sort of back feed occurred? -from- the starter back up the purple wire? Sounds weird I know. I'm also thinking that maybe more than one thing had to happen for all this to occur.

Oh well just thinkin' out loud. Glad the thing didn't burn to the ground. On a bat relocate a cutoff sw is not only desired but required by NHRA so good plan there. Electrical issues can be intriguing and VERY frustrating...
 

HopnDude

I B Derpin.
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FML, I hate wiring, and not even going to attempt it on my setup. I found some guys who do OBDII conversions, as well as LSX conversion for S series trucks. And is going to rewire my setup, I'm not about to attempt wiring a ticking time bomb that could possibly danger my life or others.

Grats on saving the truck before sh*t really happened! Hope you get it going again soon! Should do a before/after of the wiring when it's done!
 

NJSERRANO

New member
Re: How many people have had their syty's catch on fire? I almost did today!

I'm on my way down...hopefully L.A. traffic is kind to me
 

cloneman315

Active member
Re: How many people have had their syty's catch on fire? I almost did today!

Well I have put in at least 3000 plus remote starts i will say anything could be possible now since there is that and a starter kill in the mix.See if you can power up that remote start brain and confirm no ign 1ign 2 or accessory relays are stuck closed,which if the truck had a starter click issue or dead spot in the starter the remote start could of just keep that relay shut resulting in melted wires and short.
 
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SY2455

70's Veteran
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Doesn't the purple wire go from the starter to the P/N switch and to the Ignition switch though the yellow wire ? I will throw this out there. My :2cents: worth. The problem started at the Ignition switch getting power though the red wire fuseable links from the Alt. From there it pick up the yellow wire to the P/N switch and travel though the purple wire. I think you will find the place where the purple wire is no longer burnt is away for the yellow wire. I would look over the Ignition switch really well to see if you can find signs of it going to ground.
 

NJSERRANO

New member
Re: How many people have had their syty's catch on fire? I almost did today!

DANG!!!
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Mtn Z

Donating Member
Re: How many people have had their syty's catch on fire? I almost did today!

Seriously. That's some fine detective work right there. :tup:
 

AZtyphoon

New member
Re: How many people have had their syty's catch on fire? I almost did today!

Exact same thing happened to me the 1st week I owned my Ty. Happened while driving and stuck in a left turn lane. Ran the red to get to a parking lot, stole a bottle of water from circle K to put it out. Fire was started from the factory alternator harness which was completely stock.
 

Emmo

Member
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Excellent thread, and something I never would have even thought about. I can see it now, over 20 years service, the steering bowl bolts loosening and ign switch getting out of sync...definitely something for the summer checklist
 

Don W.

Stab it and steer it
Re: How many people have had their syty's catch on fire? I almost did today!

I can see where the switch bolts would be loose because of the heat upsetting everything but the column bolts? Definitely a clew and probably the reason. Good job scouting Tonto. :tup:

I was also impressed by the backside photo of the panel with the all the wires hanging. Get all that back where it came from and you get an "A" for the course.

All with tongue firmly planted in cheek. Regardless of what money changes hands this is a huge example of member to member support and sharing of expertise.
 

cloneman315

Active member
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I don't believe the bolts caused the fire,all the positions on this switch are positive 12v no matter were the rod is it really woulndt do anything.i could understand holding the starter but after the truck was turned off he would of heard that starter still running? I wonder if the air conditioning (or just the blower motor or even power windows etc)was on when he parked the truck,because if it was the starter could not of been engaged because the acc key voltage drops out during crank.That remote starter could still be a issue.
 
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dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
Re: How many people have had their syty's catch on fire? I almost did today!

My 93 Ty was missing one of the bolts from the ignition switch, it was causing the switch to arc in the start position because it moving and not fully engaging. I had to clean up contacts for it to work again. This was the reason the previous got rid of the truck because chronic starting problems.
 

Beavis

Still plays with trucks
Re: How many people have had their syty's catch on fire? I almost did today!

Come on Dave, just pull it out and show what it looks like!!! We want to see what you have for us.
 

cloneman315

Active member
Re: How many people have had their syty's catch on fire? I almost did today!

I fully understand remote starts and how they work.it would be the starter relay on the remote start and the remote start still sends voltage back to the switch.honestly there may never be total confirmation of what really caused it only a guess..
 

cloneman315

Active member
Re: How many people have had their syty's catch on fire? I almost did today!

Hard to believe no one saw or heard this thing turning itself over in the parking lot!
 

Don W.

Stab it and steer it
Re: How many people have had their syty's catch on fire? I almost did today!

Dave and all: Careful, rant coming.:rant::rotf::rotf:

Technically our starters don't have a "Bendix" gear. We have an overrunning clutch gear. This gear has a sprag in it to prevent (or at least reduce) the ability of the motor, once it starts, to over-speed the starter.

A Bendix "gear" was actually a type of starter drive which included a Bendix spring. If the spring broke, which it had a tendency to do, you were without a starter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bendix_drive

You are all forgiven though because the term is old and has managed to hang on all this time.

I'm not a big guy but back in the day I could "bench press" a 50mt (I thought they were 40, 50 = 32volt?) into position from under the truck. Not sure I could do that today.:roll:
 

Don W.

Stab it and steer it
Re: How many people have had their syty's catch on fire? I almost did today!

11.35 HP, and draws 2,000 Amps. Now that's a starter.

Yup. We ran 2 + and 2 -, 4 total, 00 cables bats to starter to handle the load. Without that much cable and good bats starts on a cold morning were iffy.
 
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