Check out this neglected Geiger Typhoon
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Seems like I just acquired one out of those two V8 conversions yesterday over here in Germany. 1993 VIN 0052. Which is the more so funny because I was inspecting 0051 just 6 weeks ago in Sweden. And guess what: it also had a Geiger VIN tag installed, but was more or less stock.
Mine has been ripped of the engine and gearbox though. Allegedly because some PO damaged the engine beyond repair. I could not check because engine & gearbox weren't there. But on the documents it says "350 cci GMC engine with 4 Weber Duals 48 IDF". The custom-made double pipe exhaust (left & right) ist still on the car. As is a Stack ST8130 dash instead of the stock instruments, Porsche brakes on front axle and 17" rims all around.
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Do you have pics?
I can take some tomorrow. Car has numerous dents and scratches all around and some rusty spots near cladding areas. Does look like mostly 1st paint because most cladding rivets are intact. Dunno the exact mileage (I don't want to power-up the Stack unit). Seller claimed ~90k kilometers.
OK, here are some pics and a copy of the title of Ty 0052 in case someone is interested in the tech details. In Germany such document not only shows the entitled owner but also all approved modifications to make the car road legal. Everything that is not explicitely stated in there (but mounted on the car) is simply illegal and will void registration, insurance, etc.
Just look under the remarks section under #33 on the bottom left side of file1. All those entries would apply to a completely stock Typhoon (or any other US car) as well and are mostly exceptions from GER regulations (kinda anal, right?).
Here's a rough translation:
"car regarded as off-road vehicle in accordance with EU regulations*
#4: original US-VIN left side of windshield frame, additional punched on frame on front right side*
#13: height including roof rack*
#20-21: also original alloy-wheel 8x16*
(now my favourite entries: "reasonably effective", which means the following is not type-tested, but deemed road legal by the examiner)
safety belts, rear and brake lights, reverse lights, license plate lights, fog lights*
space for license plate 280x150mm*
additional federal exception necessary for: Hazard control light flashing green, no seat lock on front seats, side marker lights front: yellow rear: red, indicator and hazard lights rear: red [quite impossible to get approved today], brake system and safety belt mounts not officially tested and approved, no headlight range adjustment
then the document number of the certificate of exception for the above by the government of the state of registration
#20-21: also approved 235/50R16 on original alloy-wheel"
But the more interesting part are the remarks in the middle column:
Quite on the top: "K218/5920 and 5657"
Geiger did all the hassle to get a V8 fitted for just 12 kW (~16HP) more output. At least that's what the paper says...
Then below:
"engine type 350 cci-GMC with 4 Weber dual carburettors 48 IDF with K&N air filter, elliptical 120x180x80 and dual pipe exhaust system with catalysts and silencer (model RAY E 96B) each."
Along with the airbrush on the hood is is pretty obvious that the car had actually fitted the Webers by Geiger. No idea where they went. I assume the PO sold them as they probably brought a little fortune (and a whole lotta hassle for the then-buyer).
Just look under the remarks section under #33 on the bottom left side of file1. All those entries would apply to a completely stock Typhoon (or any other US car) as well and are mostly exceptions from GER regulations (kinda anal, right?).
Here's a rough translation:
"car regarded as off-road vehicle in accordance with EU regulations*
#4: original US-VIN left side of windshield frame, additional punched on frame on front right side*
#13: height including roof rack*
#20-21: also original alloy-wheel 8x16*
(now my favourite entries: "reasonably effective", which means the following is not type-tested, but deemed road legal by the examiner)
safety belts, rear and brake lights, reverse lights, license plate lights, fog lights*
space for license plate 280x150mm*
additional federal exception necessary for: Hazard control light flashing green, no seat lock on front seats, side marker lights front: yellow rear: red, indicator and hazard lights rear: red [quite impossible to get approved today], brake system and safety belt mounts not officially tested and approved, no headlight range adjustment
then the document number of the certificate of exception for the above by the government of the state of registration
#20-21: also approved 235/50R16 on original alloy-wheel"
But the more interesting part are the remarks in the middle column:
Quite on the top: "K218/5920 and 5657"
Geiger did all the hassle to get a V8 fitted for just 12 kW (~16HP) more output. At least that's what the paper says...
Then below:
"engine type 350 cci-GMC with 4 Weber dual carburettors 48 IDF with K&N air filter, elliptical 120x180x80 and dual pipe exhaust system with catalysts and silencer (model RAY E 96B) each."
Along with the airbrush on the hood is is pretty obvious that the car had actually fitted the Webers by Geiger. No idea where they went. I assume the PO sold them as they probably brought a little fortune (and a whole lotta hassle for the then-buyer).
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And some more...
No idea how they fit the airfilter that came with the parts stash on the Webers. More likely that some PO changed the Webers for a different carburettor.
Exhaust is fully made of stainless steel and running as 2 pipes all the way through.
No idea how they fit the airfilter that came with the parts stash on the Webers. More likely that some PO changed the Webers for a different carburettor.
Exhaust is fully made of stainless steel and running as 2 pipes all the way through.
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The front wheels are protruding way too much for German regulations (max is the outer lip of the wheel arch/ cladding). No idea how those rims got an entry in the "Fahrzeugbrief"...
Porsche Brakes look nice. I wonder if they'd also fit the OG wheel.
Last pic is the parts stash that came with the car. New windshield and front grill included.
If someone wants pics on some other details, feel free to request them. I'll try my best.
Porsche Brakes look nice. I wonder if they'd also fit the OG wheel.
Last pic is the parts stash that came with the car. New windshield and front grill included.
If someone wants pics on some other details, feel free to request them. I'll try my best.
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I wonder what the lower IC was doing in there on a naturally aspirated build. The 993TT brakes should be a good upgrade. Are the rears upgraded as well, or just the front?The rear brakes are stock.
I think the cooler you mention was/is a plain oil cooler.
BTW, I got a hold of the first owner. He was working for an American company back then and saw a Ty on TV on a business trip to the states. After seeing the Geiger car at a local car show being back in Germany he bought it. After a year and a half he sold it again though. He said the car was using up way too much fuel.
Ahh, and the airbrush must have been applied after his posession. His was black on black.
I think the cooler you mention was/is a plain oil cooler.
BTW, I got a hold of the first owner. He was working for an American company back then and saw a Ty on TV on a business trip to the states. After seeing the Geiger car at a local car show being back in Germany he bought it. After a year and a half he sold it again though. He said the car was using up way too much fuel.
Ahh, and the airbrush must have been applied after his posession. His was black on black.
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Hmm, I guess the seller gave me sh**!!
I finally got a hold of another PO. He told me that it is NOT an original Geiger V8.
Story goes quite differently:
He bought the car from the original owner (the one I talked to yesterday) somtime back in 1993/94. The car was completely stock (well German road legal). After some time he burnt-up the transmission and called Geiger for an estimate on repair and possible V8 conversion. Geiger, well-known for his "famous" quotations ("width x length x weight x 100") was asking 15-20 k Deutschmarks for that. Kinda ridiculous, as this was more than half the value of the car...
So the car sat for some time in the garage until that PO got to know Uwe Wolf of Mov'it Brakes in Germany. After some discussion Wolf and some of his friends were eventually doing the V8 conversion. The PO told me that it took ages and was based on an engine that came out of a Corvette and was already modified to some degree. The Porsche brakes were installed at that point as well. I remember that Mov'it were only selling OG Porsche brakes, together with car specific adapters at that time. The deal with buying from Brembo directly wasn't cut back then, I assume.
The airbrush was applied shortly after that. Anyway, the engine never ran well enough and so the car was eventually sold for good. That was around 2002/03. I guess the guy I bought it from subsequently sold the Webers and other stuff off of the car and most probably had a glimpse of fitting a V8 again because the Dirty Dingo motor mounts are on the car, just as he finally gave up and found me ;-)
Sorry for spreading "fake news", but until today everything sounded pretty reasonable to me.
I finally got a hold of another PO. He told me that it is NOT an original Geiger V8.
Story goes quite differently:
He bought the car from the original owner (the one I talked to yesterday) somtime back in 1993/94. The car was completely stock (well German road legal). After some time he burnt-up the transmission and called Geiger for an estimate on repair and possible V8 conversion. Geiger, well-known for his "famous" quotations ("width x length x weight x 100") was asking 15-20 k Deutschmarks for that. Kinda ridiculous, as this was more than half the value of the car...
So the car sat for some time in the garage until that PO got to know Uwe Wolf of Mov'it Brakes in Germany. After some discussion Wolf and some of his friends were eventually doing the V8 conversion. The PO told me that it took ages and was based on an engine that came out of a Corvette and was already modified to some degree. The Porsche brakes were installed at that point as well. I remember that Mov'it were only selling OG Porsche brakes, together with car specific adapters at that time. The deal with buying from Brembo directly wasn't cut back then, I assume.
The airbrush was applied shortly after that. Anyway, the engine never ran well enough and so the car was eventually sold for good. That was around 2002/03. I guess the guy I bought it from subsequently sold the Webers and other stuff off of the car and most probably had a glimpse of fitting a V8 again because the Dirty Dingo motor mounts are on the car, just as he finally gave up and found me ;-)
Sorry for spreading "fake news", but until today everything sounded pretty reasonable to me.