Changes for 2011

qbnkiller

Conflaguration Specialist
Last year I was able to successfully run my combination to a best pass of 10.75 @ 127mph at 24# of boost. Towards the end of the season, I started to turn the boost up, but had some small gremlins pop up.

Over the winter, I decided to tear the engine down, have a look inside, and make changes accordingly..As a recap, this was a thumbnail sketch of my engine combo:

Stock block 0.030" overbore, 4-bolt mains, strap front and rear, short-fill
stock crank, cryo, turned down 0.030"/0.020"
Eagle rods, MAHLE pistons (8.5:1), ARP main studs
L35 heads, custom COMP CAMS grind, ARP head bolts, Cometics
Edelbrock #2111 intake, elbow, 80mm TB, 85#/hr injectors
Bullseye Power CompR62 turbo, external 38mm wastegate, custom W2A IC
BigStuff3 ECM tuned by me

When I tore the engine down, I was pleasantly surprised to find no drama...everything looked great! I learned a bunch about what my engine liked and didn't like, and I made a few small changes to the combination for this year - namely:

120#/hr injectors
Custom camshaft
Bullseye Power CompR66 turbo
torque converter change

Progress was slow but methodical. This was due to my heavy travel schedule for work. Last week, I finally had finished the engine and was ready to dyno test it before I stabbed it in the truck.

Since I did make some changes to the configuration, I started with low-boost pulls to get a baseline. I set the boost controller to 16# and made a few pulls. 553HP/647TQ. Torque was above 600 ft. lbs. from 3700 to 5100rpm. HP was above 500HP from 4000 to 6000rpm. I did numerous plug reads to gauge where the engine wanted the AFR's to be at. I can tell you that what it wanted and what I thought it wanted were almost a full point away from each other!

Next up was turn the boost up to 24#. I made a few quick adjustments to the boost controller and let her eat. The pull was clean, but AFR's were very very fat. Results were 671/743TQ. TQ was 729 by 3700rpm and stayed above 700 to 4900rpm. HP was above 600 from 4300 to 5900rpm. Shut the engine down, made a few adjustments to the fuel map, and started it again. It was a harder start than normal, but eventually fired back up and we made another pull. The numbers were identical and AFR's did not move at all. The engine idled there for a couple minuted before I shut it down. I reviewed the log file, made more fueling changes, and shut it down for lunch.

When I got back, I tried to start the engine and it would not turn over. I pulled #4 plug out and a stream of water shot out and soaked me - DAMMIT! I popped a gasket! Disillusioned, I tore the top-end off the engine right there ont he dyno. Looking at the head gaskets, I saw nothing wrong. Looked at the two surfaces and didnt see anything jump out. I finished pulling the engine off the dyno cart and called it a day.

The following morning, I tore my heads down completely and found #4 intake runner had a hole the size of a pencil head which was leaking coolant into the engine. Apparently the metal in that area was a bit thin, and my years of abuse on these heads finally pushed through it. I then took to more carefully inspecting all the runners and I found another suspect area that - if it wasn't already leaking a very slight amount, it soon would have.

I had to make a decision as to which way to go now. I went to the junkyard and picked up a set of 99 VORTEC heads - I am going to the dark side! In the coming weeks (again - busy travel schedule) I will get all my old parts onto these newer VORTECS and retest. I will now have hard data on what differences L35's to VORTEC heads can do. The VORTECS will be unported - just cut for 2.02/1.60 valves and my springs.

All in all, I am fairly pleased in the progress made so far. I can tell you that the power it made at 24# is still conservative in many respects - the tune is still way too rich for max power. This turbo, in my opinion, is sized perfectly for our application. In my testing, I had 24# of boost by 3300rpm. The power curve when plotted out is almost ruler-flat. It will be interesting to see how it does when I turn it up a little more, and when I add an intercooler (yes these numbers were WITHOUT ANY INTERCOOLER WHATSOEVER).
 

Quickstop [UK]

Combating adversyty.
Re: Changes for 2011

We need a "Like" button on this site.

Way to go Alex - great post and am looking forward to seeing you go faster!

Sorry for the loss with the heads but those numbers are insane!!!
 

WyoSyclone

Active member
Re: Changes for 2011

That's a great post Alex.. thanks for all the info! It's so nice to see some good hard data and I'll be anxious to see the diff between the L35's and Vortecs! :tup:
 

qbnkiller

Conflaguration Specialist
Re: Changes for 2011

Rpm hp tq

3676 510.6 729.6
3800 535.6 740.3
3900 552.0 743.3
4000 566.5 743.8
4100 579.8 742.6
4200 591.3 739.7
4300 605.6 739.7
4400 614.2 733.2
4500 635.4 741.5
4600 634.1 724.0
4700 647.7 723.8
4800 651.8 713.4
4900 648.4 695.1
5000 659.1 692.3
5100 664.5 684.3
5200 661.9 668.6
5300 671.6 665.6
5400 659.0 641.0
5500 649.2 620.0
5600 652.1 611.6
5700 639.4 589.2
5800 636.8 576.7
5900 606.8 540.2
6000 595.1 520.9

avg 621.3 726.3
 

SY2455

70's Veteran
Re: Changes for 2011

I had heard that there are problem with cracking when going with 2.02 or larger intake valves on the newer 96 and up VORTEC heads, I was told to go no larger then 2" on the intake. I do know that mike at RPM is using larger valves in some of his head setups.
 

JSM

Active member
Re: Changes for 2011

And here you would only tell me it made more than 300hp.... I feel deprived.

Great job on the build, I now know not to challenge you at the track anymore.
 

Windedv6

Ty n 10s
Re: Changes for 2011

I had heard that there are problem with cracking when going with 2.02 or larger intake valves on the newer 96 and up VORTEC heads, I was told to go no larger then 2" on the intake. I do know that mike at RPM is using larger valves in some of his head setups.

The passenger application vortec heads do not have valve seat inserts. They are only surface hardened in the cast seat area. Going above 2.00 intake and/or above 1.95 exhaust cuts into the hardened area and they will crack, espically on a high hp setup. The marine head does have valve seat inserts and has no problem even with 2.05 valves.

I would personally have the 2.02 and 1.60 valves cut down to the 2.00 and 1.95 and reuse them. With an unported head and pushing high boost one wouldn't probably see a difference using the smaller valves. Good insurance against cracking the head. A vortec setup this way is still better than the L35 setup.

John
 

93 TY 2185

Donating Member
Re: Changes for 2011

WOW! Nice Alex you rock :tup:
Keep up the hard work. Thanks for the information.
 

qbnkiller

Conflaguration Specialist
Re: Changes for 2011

The passenger application vortec heads do not have valve seat inserts. They are only surface hardened in the cast seat area. Going above 2.00 intake and/or above 1.95 exhaust cuts into the hardened area and they will crack, espically on a high hp setup. The marine head does have valve seat inserts and has no problem even with 2.05 valves.

I would personally have the 2.02 and 1.60 valves cut down to the 2.00 and 1.95 and reuse them. With an unported head and pushing high boost one wouldn't probably see a difference using the smaller valves. Good insurance against cracking the head. A vortec setup this way is still better than the L35 setup.

John

Thanks John and Phil...I am addressing the valve seats this week.
 

qbnkiller

Conflaguration Specialist
Re: Changes for 2011

Here's some pics...
Short block assembled...
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Comp beehive springs and ISKY guideplates
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Heads completed
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Intake manifold installed
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Bullseye Power CompR66 turbo and TiAL 44 wastegate
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Mounting engine to Stuska water brake dyno
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Ready to make pulls
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neildemo

Administrator
Re: Changes for 2011

Dam that has to be the coolest looking enghine i have ever seen!
Good Luck Alex!
 

qbnkiller

Conflaguration Specialist
Re: Changes for 2011

UPDATE:

So I have spent the past few days getting all the parts around and swappping out to the VORTEC heads. Against some good advice, I went ahead and cut the heads for my old 2.02/1.60 valves from my L35's. I cut the spring pockets for different springs from stock, and that was it. I did not perform any porting whatsoever. I also converted an Edelbrock 2114 intake manifold for these heads since it was quite a bit to make my old one work with VORTECS. I did not do any porting or gasket matching here either. I put it all back together again, strapped it to the dyno late this afternoon, and made a few pulls.

TEST DATA:
24# boost, E85, no IC, spraying 100% meth (2 M10 nozzles)

3100 420.4 708.0
3200 437.0 717.3
3300 451.3 718.2
3400 472.5 729.7
3500 493.8 741.1
3600 506.4 738.7
3700 524.2 744.2
3800 551.8 762.6
3900 569.8 767.2
4000 581.3 763.3
4100 594.0 760.9
4200 611.9 765.2
4300 629.0 768.3
4400 654.1 773.7
4500 NO DATA
4600 668.2 764.8
4700 664.8 742.8
4800 687.9 754.4
4900 NO DATA
5000 717.2 751.3
5100 710.5 731.7
5200 710.3 717.4
5300 717.6 711.2
5400 736.8 716.7
5500 735.4 702.3
5600 744.9 698.7
5700 734.3 676.6
5800 741.4 671.4
5900 731.9 651.5
6000 706.7 618.6
6100 726.1 622.8

Going through my records of what I tried on the dyno, this engine combo responded differently than the L35's. I have a few things in mind to test tomorrow morning before I throw on my A2A IC on. I will be removing the meth kit at the same time.

I wanted to test to see if I could successfully run the engine without an IC whatsoever and keep the IAT's in check.
 

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
Re: Changes for 2011

Good gains with the Vortecs, it doesn't surprise me (unless you had a heavily ported set of L35's).

Did you have any porting work done your L35's?
 

qbnkiller

Conflaguration Specialist
Re: Changes for 2011

yeah...I did my own porting work...some on the runners and some bowl work on the L35's
 

jpalmer

New member
Re: Changes for 2011

Nice to see the difference. It would be nice to port them heads of yours, but maybe next season?? then we could see a third set of numbers. very exciting stuff here
 
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