best turbo upgrade with stock everything

turbo7521

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Re: best turbo upgrade with stock everything

I have a super 20g with 14cfm and bolted up with no issues and mine is oil
Cooled only,its spools up very fast but if ur gonna stay stock everything i would go with methkit! My trany has had no issues yet :tup: lol, pm me if u have any ?
 

JAY

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Re: best turbo upgrade with stock everything

Have any of you changed your wastegate? Erik got me hooked on the Forge unit w/ 16 psi spring. I have a stocker w/port matched exhaust manifold & turbo w/o cat & hard pipe to IC. AEM Tru-boost at 16-18 psi. I wish I had a track to show the difference. It's night & day.
 

It's just a six

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Re: best turbo upgrade with stock everything

Out of curiosity... wouldn't you still want the turbo balanced after that? Also: How good is that Kunagawa stuff?

-P

For me personally, I would want to get the center section rebalanced. But, from what I heard, the stock Mitsubishi stuff is all zero balanced & requires no further balancing.
 

atkonkler

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Re: best turbo upgrade with stock everything

So those of you who have a 20g with 14cfm feel free to chime in on what are the upsides and downsides of having this turbo with all stock components. Will it be quicker , the same or slower. Better high end , low end etc etc.
 

It's just a six

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Re: best turbo upgrade with stock everything

I can speak from driving my friends stock Sy w/a 20G turbo, it was really slow, slow to spool, could not boost over 3-4 psi when brake boosting until he port matched the exhaust manifold mismatch from the manifold to turbine inlet, then he was able to boost to 6 PSI. Best he ran w/a 9/11 converter that would brake stall to 3400 RPM was a 13.8 @ a 3000 ft elevation track, correction factor was normally 1/2 second, so maybe a 13.3 best w/the correction factor.

I also rode in Doug's Ty (from Huntington Beach Ca.) that ran a best of 14.1 @ 100 (IIRC) Pomona. It seemed slow to spool also w/his 20G/14 CM turbo.

If you have to use a cat & a 20G turbo,,,, it is going to be real slow. We are talking you being completely stock.
 

berzerker

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Re: best turbo upgrade with stock everything

20g with a 10 /12 cm exhaust housing will be ok . With the larger 14cm housing a little looser converter will greatly help the spool time . i ran a 20g/14cm bad dog for awhile. good turbo and was an improvement over stock as far as power . maybe a 30hp increase over stock turbo . i'd spend the money on a couple different tunes for the truck like a mild street gas pump tune . Then an all out race gas tune with high boost and high timing . Then you'll get the most out of the truck . open the exhaust / remove cat ,free flowing muffler . goood to go .
 

atkonkler

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I'm trying to avoid changing out the TC but if I get a new cat is there a better high flow to buy or should I take out the old screwdriver and pound it all out? What's a good free flowing muffler? Give me suggestions on what would be a good set up with this turbo? That's within reason. I can buy a cat and muffler but a Dp is gonna be difficult to choke down unless someone is selling a setup right now. That would be awsome!
 

SY2455

70's Veteran
Re: best turbo upgrade with stock everything

1st I would check with our vendors as they make or have in stock complete exhaust system with or without cats made in stainless for a nice install without the problem of working out the bends, etc yourself. If not then, for a muffler you can use this, if you have a 3" exhaust system. They make some nice Cats too.
http://www.magnaflow.com/02product/shopexd.asp?zone=main&id=11434
 

atkonkler

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So I shouldn't put this turbo in without opening the exhaust bydeleting the cat and having an open muffler? I'd like a 3 inch exhaust but it'll cost at least a G note and I'm trying to avoid it right now. Will the stock Dp and if I change out the exhaust to no cat and open muffler be good enough and not restrict the exhaust?
 

It's just a six

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Re: best turbo upgrade with stock everything

You could try out your 20G turbo & see how you like it. You might like have the better top end charge, but it is only slight.

Changing to a straight through designed muffler will help a lot, taking the cat off helps even more ,but that's illegal unless for off-road racing purposes. :tup:

I can tell you from first hand experience that w/a cat installed & running my 12 CM turbine housing it is a noticeable difference in how slow it gets into boost, being able to brake boost it takes longer also.

It is still pretty fast, just not as fast.

There is a big difference in spool up time when running & not running a cat even w/the stock 8CM turbine housing.

If you can install a larger cat it should flow better, but not sure if it will pass a smog check here in Cali.
You also need to make the intake air more free flowing, not just the exhaust, they both need an improvement over stock in order to make the turbo spool-up quicker.

I ran a 10CM turbine housing on my 20G turbo & I could not tell if it was any slower spooling than comparing to my stock turbo, it did make more power & seemed to make more power up top just not a whole lot more.

I never ran the 20G & 10CM turbine housing combo @ a track, but I would guess it might have gone a tenth quicker than stock.
I ran a 12.29 & 12.31 @ 108-107 MPH back to back w/my stock turbo.
To date w/my 20G turbo w/a 60-1 compressor wheel & a 12 CM turbine housing running pretty lean 13.8 A/F ratio & spinning the tires I only ran a 12.0 @ 108 MPH. The MPH was low I think because it was lean.:oops:
Had stock injectors @ the time. Now currently using Ford (cough) 36 lb blue top injectors.

I bought one of these mufflers http://www.ebay.com/itm/QTP-12300-A...Parts_Accessories&hash=item53fd90d744&vxp=mtr
but in a 4" for a different project, looks really nice & is all 304 stainless material, have not tried it out yet but a muffler like this would be a good choice also.

This one http://www.ebay.com/itm/Magnaflow-R...Parts_Accessories&hash=item232ddbcb72&vxp=mtr

might be pretty loud as it is a short muffler. We have to deal w/the Po-Po/5o, here if our cars are too loud.

The muffler I currently use on my Sy is like the old Gibson round, straight through design, it is quite long, guessing from memory 24", 3" inlet/outlet. I has a good rumble @ idle & cruising but is pretty loud when @ W.O.T.! I have gotten compliments on how it sounds @ idle. I still use the stock 2.5" downpipe stock cat.

If I were to guess, I would have to say, if you are completely "STOCK" & were to bolt on a 20G/14CM turbo, I would have to say it will be slower in the 1/4 mile, ET wise, 60' much slower also. Just because I do not think it will launch as hard as a stock turbo.
Anyone else agree?
With this last statement?
 
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atkonkler

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So leave the Dp stock, replace the muffler and the cat and call it a day with the 20g with 14cfm and I'm gonna get a forge wastegate. Then the would the power would be noticeably different and also I'm going to start tuning with the help of wyosyclone.
 

atkonkler

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No big dogs gonna chime in on this little chat? What is the best thing to do in this situation with a 20g with 14cfm ? No offense to those who have supplied very fruitful Info! Can you down grade to a 12cfm or a 10 and how do you do it?
 
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It's just a six

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So leave the Dp stock, replace the muffler and the cat and call it a day with the 20g with 14cfm and I'm gonna get a forge wastegate. Then the would the power would be noticeably different and also I'm going to start tuning with the help of wyosyclone.

Nope,,,,

the stock downpipe is not killing you. It would be the 14 CM turbine housing, that is what will be killing you from taking off quickly.

Yes, a stiffer wastegate will help, but it is still going to be slow if you are mostly all stock.

Best thing to do is keep the stock turbo on free up the exhaust & intake systems & have Rob help you out w/tuning.

If you are insisting on using the 20G & mostly stock, be prepared for a let down.

If you consider a 10 or 12 CM housing is a downgrade you are missing the point. Your stock combo is not going to work w/a stock torque converter & a standard 20G turbo.

I am not a so called "Big Dog" but, I do not think my completely stock long block is that slow. It's OK, if I wanted to go a lot faster, first thing would be throwing away the stock heads.

If I were to install my 14 CM housing (an upgrade as you say) on my truck I know it will be slower & less fun to drive stop light to stop light. That so-called upgrade would throw out any fun driving around in the lower RPM range & will get into boost much later.:2cents:

To answer your question,,,, To install the downgraded 10 or 12 CM housings onto your 20G turbo, you would need the 10 or 12 CM housings machined to accept the larger "H" turbine wheel.
 
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qbnkiller

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Re: best turbo upgrade with stock everything

I will just simply repeat my suggestion for Sportmachine's drop-in wheel upgrade and a tune. If you would have listened before, you'd be out there enjoying a faster truck already.

Paralysis by analysis..
 

atkonkler

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Re: best turbo upgrade with stock everything

What's this number mean ?-
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I'm sure it's a 14 but not 100%-
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atkonkler

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Apparently Mitsubishi turbos put the cm # on the in let of the housing and guess what time it is! I found the info on a Mitsubishi site- Mitsubishi housings have Mitsubishi housings have the size in the inlet! the size in the inlet! I got a 10cm housing!
 

It's just a six

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That is great!:tup:

Having that 10 CM will allow you to still boost launch hard out of the hole!:tup::tup:

My 14 CM turbine housing P.N. is 79-14300

I am pretty sure the 10 means it is a 10 CM housing you have.

Could you measure the inside diameter of the exhaust hole for the turbine wheel & measure your turbine wheel?

Could you post some more pics of that turbine housing, both sides?
Thanks
 

atkonkler

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All fitted up with the forge and ready for take off! Thanks tom at sport machines for having the forge in stock and ready to go! Couldn't beat the pricing and shipping from Tom! It'll be in next week ! I'll keep everyone posted on its install with pics if I remember!-
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