Bad ECM?

SeattleSy#1255

Category 5 Conservative
Without pissing myself off and listing everything I have done, let me just use the word "everything" to get rid of knock. The entire fuel system and igntion system has been replaced as well as multiple chips tried, including guys like Dig working with me.

Here is a thought:

I went to Paul Shwabs the other night and had Tunerpro and all the WB crap hooked up to the truck...the chip, which Dig did, looks good, so the bin is fine. We take a few runs adjust the boost to 20psi and its running around like a bat out of hell with 0 degrees of knock at 20psi...i was spaying a mild/moderate amount of alki.

the only way we could even get it to show know, which ended up being 3 degrees max, was mashing it from a 60mph role....it knock, then go away. I say this, because it shows that I was able to get some knock to show up.

We make no changes in anything, except we left the 20psi in the tables in the chip since it was running so well...nothing else was changed.

I should say that when we hooked up all of Pauls WB stuff, we used his ecm because he has it all saudered in to that particular ECM.

I put everything back together, get home and the next day, having changed nothing, my knock is back via datamaster...it knocks so bad, i actually got 18 degrees of knock retard

I got my head out the window, and you can't hear a sincel ping, ding, dong or anything....not a damn thing is autible, even with such severe knock.

I got to thinking and all I can think about is how the ECM's we used were different...datamaster shows a ton of knock, but tunerpro shows non at all...the differences between the programs are the ECMs they are reading/hooked up to.

this tells me, logicall, that my ECM is perhaps the issue I have been trying to track down for years...it would explain why nothing I did to any parts of the fuel or ignition system would change anything.

Does this seem logical? I guess what I want to know is how many people or how common it is for the ECM to actually be the knock problem? I know the only way to know is get another one and try few of them out, but i'm not exactly by many other members at this time (heading back to NY tomorrow). I'm just curious what people think.

Thanks.
 

TYTILIDIE

METH HEAD
Re: Bad ECM?

I think its possible. My truck was doing some wierd stuff recently and everyone swore up and down I should double and triple check my wiring harness at the ECM and it turned out the ECM was just plain bad. I did have different voltage and knock readings from the old ECM to my current one. Its wierd but I would definately give it a shot. They dont cost a whole lot so I think it would be worth it.
 

SeattleSy#1255

Category 5 Conservative
Re: Bad ECM?

Kurt thanks....

tytilidie...thanks for input in your experiences...

Brian, i'll track you guys down in a little bit...i'll have the truck...i'll hunt tom down as well.
 

JSM

Active member
Re: Bad ECM?

I always have spare ECM's just to test these issues.

Get 1, even if it turns out not to be the problem. (i suspect it is ECM)
 

turbodig

Active member
Re: Bad ECM?

SeattleSy#1255 said:
Without pissing myself off and listing everything I have done, let me just use the word "everything" to get rid of knock. The entire fuel system and igntion system has been replaced as well as multiple chips tried, including guys like Dig working with me.

Thanks.

Could very well be.

Funny thing is, I seem to remember your knock changing with fuel quality.
ECM wouldn't do that, unless it's a noise-related thing, or if the ECM was fouling up the ignition somehow.

Real easy to find out, though.... try a couple different ECMs.
Collect 'em, trade 'em with your friends!
 

skwayb

NWSTP
Re: Bad ECM?

Heck come on by and I will take the one out of my ty (no wideband soldered to it) and put it in yours. We'll see if it goes away. If it does then it is your ECM.

I had the same problem with mine. I went through and replaced all the sensors, coil, fuel pump, new cap, rotor, wires, Ignition module, plugs, etc. Checked timing like you did, made sure it was at 0 TDC, checked the mark on the balancer and it was good.

Thought to my self, what the heck is another 60-80 bucks to try an ecm at this point. All I have to say is it was a completely different truck once I did that. It ran sweet. 20 PSI on pump gas 0 degrees knock.

I gave that ECM to Mark (Tunerpro programmer) so he could use it on his test bench. It ran the Ty ok, just never well in boost. It works great on his test bench as a test mule.

Call me... I won't be home until late since I will be at the Seahawks game tongiht.. but we could meet up tomorrow after work and give it a try.
 

SeattleSy#1255

Category 5 Conservative
Re: Bad ECM?

turbodig said:
Could very well be.


Dig,

Funny thing is, I seem to remember your knock changing with fuel quality.
ECM wouldn't do that, unless it's a noise-related thing, or if the ECM was fouling up the ignition somehow.

Real easy to find out, though.... try a couple different ECMs.
Collect 'em, trade 'em with your friends!

Well, you could be right, however all I know is that Paul and I took the truck out and bumped it up to 20psi and have no knock at all. Now I run 16, the base spring pressure of the pte and its back to its old habits...I can get an amazing 18 degrees of knock and not hear a single thing...I would think that I would hear something if it was that bad. Am I right?

However, I also remember we hooked up "autocity" and even though we never really got it to work very well, we did hear the knock sensor pick up a "tink" here and there...So I don't know.

I'll try some ecms and see.

Paul,

I'm back in NY now so i'll have to pass...that would be a long trip to your house for an ecm. :lol:
 
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