6 years??
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vettandtyphoon
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Re: 6 years??
umm guy reffet knows that i have nothing against him at all and yes it has been a long time. the only reason i posted was to know for myself to be assure that it really does take some people this long to build a truck. and well guy does know that i want the truck i talked to him several times this week about possible solutions to getting this baby up and going faster. all i want is a good fast reliable truck so that way i can talk all the shit i want about how rr has built me a good ass truck so everyone else that disagrees can keep all the talk to themselves.
thats all i want. i never said i had anythng against rr i just wanted to know if anyones build has taken this long and never know.. if somebody did wanna buy the truck maybe i would sell. and larry i know what has been done to my truck i have been up there within the past 6 months. not too much has been done he had another block in the truck not mine so he could use it to fabricate for the headers and intercoolers.
love peace and chicken grease
herman
umm guy reffet knows that i have nothing against him at all and yes it has been a long time. the only reason i posted was to know for myself to be assure that it really does take some people this long to build a truck. and well guy does know that i want the truck i talked to him several times this week about possible solutions to getting this baby up and going faster. all i want is a good fast reliable truck so that way i can talk all the shit i want about how rr has built me a good ass truck so everyone else that disagrees can keep all the talk to themselves.
thats all i want. i never said i had anythng against rr i just wanted to know if anyones build has taken this long and never know.. if somebody did wanna buy the truck maybe i would sell. and larry i know what has been done to my truck i have been up there within the past 6 months. not too much has been done he had another block in the truck not mine so he could use it to fabricate for the headers and intercoolers.
love peace and chicken grease
herman
Silly said:
Captain Morgan
Moderated User
Re: 6 years??
It would probably take giving everyone a trophy to get people to come out, which is unfortunate, but then again the people who do still how up dont need a trophy, they are there because they WANT to be, and those who do nothing buy cry and bitch don't need to be there anyway.
Well like Renz commented on already and you finally discovered, that isnt the complete list, but even the full list of sponsors is a bit shorter than desired. Fact of the matter is, many of the big vendors no longer want to support the event because these trucks are a go nowhere money pit. These trucks have been DEAD for the most part for quite some time. How is a big shop supposed to make money on a product when it costs more to advertise than they would take in on that product? There is no more market for these trucks, they are of a cult following, plain and simple. ATR.... out of business... Conley, do they still exist? McCoy... last I saw they were playing with motorcycles, which I certainly cant blame them for. RPM, too cheap to even get a vendor spot on the forum, of course they wouldnt support a national event. Rockford is probably the only "big business" that even still claims to do SyTy work and Im sure their customer base is limited as well. So again, pathetic or not, you cant squeeze water from a stone.Silly said:
We ALL know that SyTy Nationals is what people make of it. Its less about bringing fast trucks because all the "fast truck" owners wont go unless its in their backyard or the fast trucks are simply broken or don't exist anymore. I recall a fast truck coming all the way from Europe last year and what other fast trucks showed up???? One owner stepped up from CO, even with tuning problems, but at least they showed, where were all these other fast trucks, they certainly had the perfect opportunity to come out and play. :crickets:NOJIMMY said:
It would probably take giving everyone a trophy to get people to come out, which is unfortunate, but then again the people who do still how up dont need a trophy, they are there because they WANT to be, and those who do nothing buy cry and bitch don't need to be there anyway.
NOJIMMY
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Re: 6 years??
Originally Posted by Daron
Larry, I am darn sure that is my sy racing your Ty in that sig block... That was at KC no?
....Damn you guys are GOOOD!
Ya`ll made my sorry ass day GREAT!!
(I have some wonderful memories of days-gone-bye......Nationals, GLG, HAN, Homecoming)!
I even get a kick outta ole Jimmy...(as he well knows). I consider the syty old timers family...
you may not hug your drunk uncle or leave him alone with your girl friend...but you`d never
trade them in either! Not too mention the stories they create and tell
THANKS GUYS...
Originally Posted by Daron
Larry, I am darn sure that is my sy racing your Ty in that sig block... That was at KC no?
Silly said:
....Damn you guys are GOOOD!
(I have some wonderful memories of days-gone-bye......Nationals, GLG, HAN, Homecoming)!
I even get a kick outta ole Jimmy...(as he well knows). I consider the syty old timers family...
you may not hug your drunk uncle or leave him alone with your girl friend...but you`d never
trade them in either! Not too mention the stories they create and tell
THANKS GUYS...
vettandtyphoon
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Re: 6 years??
by the way guy,
where is your new shop located i might swing by sometime to take a look and see how the progress is going.
herm
by the way guy,
where is your new shop located i might swing by sometime to take a look and see how the progress is going.
herm
JSM
Active member
Re: 6 years??
So back on to the original question.
Yes, my truck has been down for 5 yrs. But 4 of those have been sitting due to lack of funds or time.
I worked on daron's sy, which was a little over a year, but we did a new motor/trans/suspension.
Had some motor issues to be resolved, and I stored it for awhile while he was in iraq. I was good at procastination also.
So tell us your story. What has forced the 6 yr build time, change of plans, lack of funds, all the gremlins???
So back on to the original question.
Yes, my truck has been down for 5 yrs. But 4 of those have been sitting due to lack of funds or time.
I worked on daron's sy, which was a little over a year, but we did a new motor/trans/suspension.
Had some motor issues to be resolved, and I stored it for awhile while he was in iraq. I was good at procastination also.
So tell us your story. What has forced the 6 yr build time, change of plans, lack of funds, all the gremlins???
vettandtyphoon
New member
Re: 6 years??
ahh man its been forever you can see pics of my truck at the sportmachines website gallery under the 2002 section. its the black one with the chamelion flames and billet wheels. it even back then said needs help with tuning..lol so i thought. Anyways no i dont know where the new shop is. i am anxious to see it since i heard it is pretty huge. What has taken so long? well i really dont know. i guess that they quit making intercoolers for the truck so rr has decided that they are going to try and fabricate there own intercoolers and patent them?? my manifolds were cracked and they couldn't locate headers so rr has to make them as well. then je sent the wrong pistons. they changed how the rods are made? these parts should have been ordered the first couple of days in the shop. when installing a motor you need the motor parts to do so. One of the other bad things is i bought new zr1 chrome wheels and huge drag radials to go all the way around the truck. now they are prolly dry rotted. since i bought them after the first month the truck was there. but still 5 1/2 years is still a long time even with these problems. . i've talked to a couple of the places je, eagle, etc.. and they can usually get the parts you need if they need to be custom made within 3 months. it just seems like a really long time. i try to keep in touch with guy as often as i can it just is hard sometimes. as of now he told me to call him back in a couple weeks but if he's gone on his hunting trip call him in about a month and we will see the progress then. i have even offered to come up and help. i'm sure i can do something. if its parts we need reimburse me the 6 g's and i'll get all the parts to your shop to be installled maybe that will work???
there has been no lack of funds at all. i gave him 6000 dollars. If rr was to ask for more money earlier in the build i would have with no problems complied. but after this amount of time i wouldn't feel right giving him money until the project is completed. it doesn't seem like that bad of a project. remove motor and trans. build motor. install new motor with all necessary equipment new turbo set up etc... reinstall trans (since the trans was good??)
ahh man its been forever you can see pics of my truck at the sportmachines website gallery under the 2002 section. its the black one with the chamelion flames and billet wheels. it even back then said needs help with tuning..lol so i thought. Anyways no i dont know where the new shop is. i am anxious to see it since i heard it is pretty huge. What has taken so long? well i really dont know. i guess that they quit making intercoolers for the truck so rr has decided that they are going to try and fabricate there own intercoolers and patent them?? my manifolds were cracked and they couldn't locate headers so rr has to make them as well. then je sent the wrong pistons. they changed how the rods are made? these parts should have been ordered the first couple of days in the shop. when installing a motor you need the motor parts to do so. One of the other bad things is i bought new zr1 chrome wheels and huge drag radials to go all the way around the truck. now they are prolly dry rotted. since i bought them after the first month the truck was there. but still 5 1/2 years is still a long time even with these problems. . i've talked to a couple of the places je, eagle, etc.. and they can usually get the parts you need if they need to be custom made within 3 months. it just seems like a really long time. i try to keep in touch with guy as often as i can it just is hard sometimes. as of now he told me to call him back in a couple weeks but if he's gone on his hunting trip call him in about a month and we will see the progress then. i have even offered to come up and help. i'm sure i can do something. if its parts we need reimburse me the 6 g's and i'll get all the parts to your shop to be installled maybe that will work???
there has been no lack of funds at all. i gave him 6000 dollars. If rr was to ask for more money earlier in the build i would have with no problems complied. but after this amount of time i wouldn't feel right giving him money until the project is completed. it doesn't seem like that bad of a project. remove motor and trans. build motor. install new motor with all necessary equipment new turbo set up etc... reinstall trans (since the trans was good??)
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Merk
Donating Member
Re: 6 years??
I've done business with almost every syty vendor. Some have lasted over the years, others not. Never had one bad thing to say about any of them.
One thing I will say is this. Each and every vendor here owns a truck. There are the larger vendors and the "mom and pop" type. I've seen vendors get bashed --some fight it out while others say "F-it"!
The ones that have fought it out and stayed in business...KUDOS!
When you ascend the hill of prosperity, you may not meet a friend.-Mark Twain
I've done business with almost every syty vendor. Some have lasted over the years, others not. Never had one bad thing to say about any of them.
One thing I will say is this. Each and every vendor here owns a truck. There are the larger vendors and the "mom and pop" type. I've seen vendors get bashed --some fight it out while others say "F-it"!
The ones that have fought it out and stayed in business...KUDOS!
When you ascend the hill of prosperity, you may not meet a friend.-Mark Twain
vettandtyphoon
New member
Re: 6 years??
replying to silly,
6000 dollars should have been enough to get this project rolling for sure. i have not seen any of my parts??? i haven't seen a motor for my truck i haven't seen anything. sure i seen a set of headers that guy was making. my truck wasn't supposed to have headers. (until rr shown me that mine were cracked). wouldn't i of had boost spikes and bad exhaust smell?? dunno but anyways. so where i'm sitting as i see it is...... i've spent 6,000 dollars to have a motor and transmission pulled outta my truck. i haven't even seen a block in my truck except for one they were using my truck to fit parts for other trucks. as i see it - there is not that much really. i supplied my whole truck what else does he need? i've asked him several times if he needs me to get parts. block, cam, heads, rods, crankshaft, pistons. ??? what is so hard to get? you call je or eagle. they can have your rods and pistons within 3 months. crankshaft have one custom ground from crane or whomever.. 2 months if that. heads? yeah a set of l35's not that hard to getahold of... a block? 89-93? shouldn't be that complex. so what is the hold up? he's got his headers fab'd already and he's got the intercooler so now it should be installing it. there is not that much missing from my truck anyways since i had already had a motor in the truck. and it was running okay until i blew the crank in half.
hope that covers all of it
replying to silly,
6000 dollars should have been enough to get this project rolling for sure. i have not seen any of my parts??? i haven't seen a motor for my truck i haven't seen anything. sure i seen a set of headers that guy was making. my truck wasn't supposed to have headers. (until rr shown me that mine were cracked). wouldn't i of had boost spikes and bad exhaust smell?? dunno but anyways. so where i'm sitting as i see it is...... i've spent 6,000 dollars to have a motor and transmission pulled outta my truck. i haven't even seen a block in my truck except for one they were using my truck to fit parts for other trucks. as i see it - there is not that much really. i supplied my whole truck what else does he need? i've asked him several times if he needs me to get parts. block, cam, heads, rods, crankshaft, pistons. ??? what is so hard to get? you call je or eagle. they can have your rods and pistons within 3 months. crankshaft have one custom ground from crane or whomever.. 2 months if that. heads? yeah a set of l35's not that hard to getahold of... a block? 89-93? shouldn't be that complex. so what is the hold up? he's got his headers fab'd already and he's got the intercooler so now it should be installing it. there is not that much missing from my truck anyways since i had already had a motor in the truck. and it was running okay until i blew the crank in half.
hope that covers all of it
NOJIMMY
New member
Re: 6 years??
....Can you "step" back a bit and objectively take in the following...
1. From a previous posting from RR:
Herman brought us a truck seriously screwed up by one of our competitors.
It had a multitude of missing and damaged Typhoon specific parts.
We had to document the entire truck for a potential fraud case.
No forged crank, forged rods, or even correct pistons- that sort of thing.
Anyway, we couldn't even touch it for a long time while that was going on and I STILL don't know what happened there. (nothing, I guess)
So...
Why didnt YOU dictate the pace by keeping informed and RR abreast of the issues?
You must have asked for proper documentation as this is not a routine task.
You did not list the missing, damaged, incorrect, or broken/mis-assembled parts.
You decided to buy Nittos and ZR1s immediately, not RR (which in hindsight maybe the $$$$ should
have gone to making your truck run)
2. From a previous posting from RR:
Herman asked for a very specific build, and a guaranteed level of performance we were happy to provide.
We have been in routine contact, and he has been part of the process since day one.
So...
I seriously doubt RR is lying or that that you should have and could have chosen the correct parts needed from
outside suppliers to make this truck run (a guaranteed et) consistently.
And even if you had the know-how, which I doubt, since you couldnt fix the problems
caused by another vendor, and you didnt know the extent of your engine own previous vendor problems.
RR would be responsible for part you bought/obtained/specified in trying to
guarantee your et build. A NO WIN for RR. There is no way you would have
the connections, reps, and such to order these kinds of parts. I know from experience,
Piston, Rod, Ring, and Turbo shops dont always answer/followup to 1-time owners
requesting parts. They work from "established" relationships, and volume.
It would be a disaster to let customers order/schedule their own inventory.
As far as inventory/stocking...(since you are inflexible about your build and desire
more than a routine 11/12sec truck)
RR couldnt order some stuff in advance pre-anticipating problems. When I buy
mountain dew, I`m not anticipating a factory issue/shortage and buy 2 months worth!
Even tho I crave mountain dew each day...
So hindsight is like monday morning quarter backing....forget it...move on...discuss
the issues with RR...and quit bitching over spilled milk.
IF you read this site regularly, YOU would have seen that LOTs of us
Marty, Myself, Woz, Jason, (just to name a few) have also had problems getting
parts for our engines (backordered, missing/delayed shipments, etc). Beyond
that there is a well know oil pump supplier who has a known quality problem issue
and I know for certain RR was pre-informed. It would not effect a 12 sec build (maybe)
but you didnt ask for that.
3. From a previous posting
No big conspiracy here, or evil glee in keeping him from his truck- heck I'd like to see it finished and get paid,
especially seeing how his deposit hasn't even covered his PARTS yet.
So...
Why are you in one breath...
-complaining about the timeframe, but ignorant of the new shop, (location,
phone number, space, etc)
-complaining about the current progress on your truck, and current parts assembled todate.
-unsatisfied with RR answers apparently, but unwilling to change your issues with RR
-happy with the honesty, communication, and integrity of RR BUT second guessing
their work done so far ("Do I even need headers, Could I smell Exhaust fumes, etc")
In summary....(Im done trying to figure out what it is YOU want).
No one is FORCING you to stay with RR. I dont even work there, and you seem
kinda "Bent" about a lot of things. Seems like a typical passive agressive thread...
..."Im not complaining, but Whats Up with yada, yada, yada".
If you feel sooooo strongly about the wisdom of your previous buider, then take it back
to them. In 2 months you`lll get another broken engine project truck to fix I`ll bet.
At least RR knows where Jimmy stands with them...lol
(ya gotta love a dude that speaks his mind and acts accordingly, even if if you dont agree)
Its so called "friendly customers" like you make the list of SyTy vendors shorter.
Not saying RR is perfect, but you dont seem to be either! Communicate with RR,
ask them your posted questions, and visit once in awhile. OR sue your
old vendor, collect the sum, and buy the shop (devoting them to build your perfect truck).
vettandtyphoon said:
....Can you "step" back a bit and objectively take in the following...
1. From a previous posting from RR:
Herman brought us a truck seriously screwed up by one of our competitors.
It had a multitude of missing and damaged Typhoon specific parts.
We had to document the entire truck for a potential fraud case.
No forged crank, forged rods, or even correct pistons- that sort of thing.
Anyway, we couldn't even touch it for a long time while that was going on and I STILL don't know what happened there. (nothing, I guess)
So...
Why didnt YOU dictate the pace by keeping informed and RR abreast of the issues?
You must have asked for proper documentation as this is not a routine task.
You did not list the missing, damaged, incorrect, or broken/mis-assembled parts.
You decided to buy Nittos and ZR1s immediately, not RR (which in hindsight maybe the $$$$ should
have gone to making your truck run)
2. From a previous posting from RR:
Herman asked for a very specific build, and a guaranteed level of performance we were happy to provide.
We have been in routine contact, and he has been part of the process since day one.
So...
I seriously doubt RR is lying or that that you should have and could have chosen the correct parts needed from
outside suppliers to make this truck run (a guaranteed et) consistently.
And even if you had the know-how, which I doubt, since you couldnt fix the problems
caused by another vendor, and you didnt know the extent of your engine own previous vendor problems.
RR would be responsible for part you bought/obtained/specified in trying to
guarantee your et build. A NO WIN for RR. There is no way you would have
the connections, reps, and such to order these kinds of parts. I know from experience,
Piston, Rod, Ring, and Turbo shops dont always answer/followup to 1-time owners
requesting parts. They work from "established" relationships, and volume.
It would be a disaster to let customers order/schedule their own inventory.
As far as inventory/stocking...(since you are inflexible about your build and desire
more than a routine 11/12sec truck)
RR couldnt order some stuff in advance pre-anticipating problems. When I buy
mountain dew, I`m not anticipating a factory issue/shortage and buy 2 months worth!
Even tho I crave mountain dew each day...
So hindsight is like monday morning quarter backing....forget it...move on...discuss
the issues with RR...and quit bitching over spilled milk.
IF you read this site regularly, YOU would have seen that LOTs of us
Marty, Myself, Woz, Jason, (just to name a few) have also had problems getting
parts for our engines (backordered, missing/delayed shipments, etc). Beyond
that there is a well know oil pump supplier who has a known quality problem issue
and I know for certain RR was pre-informed. It would not effect a 12 sec build (maybe)
but you didnt ask for that.
3. From a previous posting
No big conspiracy here, or evil glee in keeping him from his truck- heck I'd like to see it finished and get paid,
especially seeing how his deposit hasn't even covered his PARTS yet.
So...
Why are you in one breath...
-complaining about the timeframe, but ignorant of the new shop, (location,
phone number, space, etc)
-complaining about the current progress on your truck, and current parts assembled todate.
-unsatisfied with RR answers apparently, but unwilling to change your issues with RR
-happy with the honesty, communication, and integrity of RR BUT second guessing
their work done so far ("Do I even need headers, Could I smell Exhaust fumes, etc")
In summary....(Im done trying to figure out what it is YOU want).
No one is FORCING you to stay with RR. I dont even work there, and you seem
kinda "Bent" about a lot of things. Seems like a typical passive agressive thread...
..."Im not complaining, but Whats Up with yada, yada, yada".
If you feel sooooo strongly about the wisdom of your previous buider, then take it back
to them. In 2 months you`lll get another broken engine project truck to fix I`ll bet.
At least RR knows where Jimmy stands with them...lol
(ya gotta love a dude that speaks his mind and acts accordingly, even if if you dont agree)
Its so called "friendly customers" like you make the list of SyTy vendors shorter.
Not saying RR is perfect, but you dont seem to be either! Communicate with RR,
ask them your posted questions, and visit once in awhile. OR sue your
old vendor, collect the sum, and buy the shop (devoting them to build your perfect truck).
vettandtyphoon
New member
Re: 6 years??
this is my last post about the typhoon,
first of all mr jimmy. i dont really think you know all that much yourself about getting parts for a truck. I can easily call eagle, crane, or any of the high end parts manufacturers and get the parts that i need. i am certainly thinking that there is something wrong in your head. dude i got the money i got whatever money he needs. thats what i dont understand. if it was money he would have asked for it. i gave them what they asked for not what i wanted to give them. i would pay for the truck in full if it meant getting it done within the next few months.
as far as the other shop? i just wanted it documented what he did to the motor since rr showed me that my crank was broken in half. obviously not a forged crank. it was a rinky dink shop that knew nothing about a typhoon. i settled with them for 2,000 dollars. which the build only cost me 3,000.
about having the know how? yeah sure, i have a 10 second corvette a 11 second 5.0 and another 01 corvette i prolly know more about cars than you could imagine but we wont get into that. i did know that my motor was ****ed up obviously when you lose oil pressure and then i finished it off with a 22 lb boost launch.. yeah i knew i broke it.
nobody said that rr could not touch my truck while i was dealing with the other shop. rr had the motor and trans out within the first week they had the truck. they showed me what happened to the motor.
so jimmy boy i think you need to calm down and see how it works out. maybe rr will finish my truck shortly and then we can take sides together and we will then know about rr if and how good they really are...
p.s what does the timeframe of how long my truck has been there have to do with the new shop?... it'd be nice to know where my truck is correct????? what a dumb ass
what are you talking about.. "does my truck even need headers???? umm no it doesn't my build was not built with headers buddy. we decided to go headers after we found cracked manifolds. which i would have though i woulda smelt.. ????
you really are a dumb ass
this is my last post about the typhoon,
first of all mr jimmy. i dont really think you know all that much yourself about getting parts for a truck. I can easily call eagle, crane, or any of the high end parts manufacturers and get the parts that i need. i am certainly thinking that there is something wrong in your head. dude i got the money i got whatever money he needs. thats what i dont understand. if it was money he would have asked for it. i gave them what they asked for not what i wanted to give them. i would pay for the truck in full if it meant getting it done within the next few months.
as far as the other shop? i just wanted it documented what he did to the motor since rr showed me that my crank was broken in half. obviously not a forged crank. it was a rinky dink shop that knew nothing about a typhoon. i settled with them for 2,000 dollars. which the build only cost me 3,000.
about having the know how? yeah sure, i have a 10 second corvette a 11 second 5.0 and another 01 corvette i prolly know more about cars than you could imagine but we wont get into that. i did know that my motor was ****ed up obviously when you lose oil pressure and then i finished it off with a 22 lb boost launch.. yeah i knew i broke it.
nobody said that rr could not touch my truck while i was dealing with the other shop. rr had the motor and trans out within the first week they had the truck. they showed me what happened to the motor.
so jimmy boy i think you need to calm down and see how it works out. maybe rr will finish my truck shortly and then we can take sides together and we will then know about rr if and how good they really are...
p.s what does the timeframe of how long my truck has been there have to do with the new shop?... it'd be nice to know where my truck is correct????? what a dumb ass
what are you talking about.. "does my truck even need headers???? umm no it doesn't my build was not built with headers buddy. we decided to go headers after we found cracked manifolds. which i would have though i woulda smelt.. ????
you really are a dumb ass
Captain Morgan
Moderated User
Re: 6 years??
so can we lock this shit yet? just wondering.
so can we lock this shit yet? just wondering.
vettandtyphoon
New member
Re: 6 years??
go ahead buddy,
go ahead buddy,
Captain Morgan
Moderated User
Re: 6 years??
thanks buddy,
thanks buddy,
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