Can I use coilovers w/ stock control arms ?

[95xtreme]

Re: Can I use coilovers w/ stock control arms ?

Thanks E, you helped me a ton picking out the full coil over suspension, I need another front set up for my s10 and will be ordering soon from you, because of your knowledge and willingness to help. My front springs took longer to get in then you expected, and I think you were more stressed then I was. In my opinion that shows some one who cares and is willing to go the extra mile.

thanks again
Jim

 

[turbodig]

Re: Can I use coilovers w/ stock control arms ?

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Since it's been a while since this experiment started, can the guys that have done it comment on the long-term reliability? Any evidence that this will/won't hold up over time?

Not trying to be a broken record, but the amount of load on the bottom shock mount off to the side like that kinda bugs me. The entire weight of the front end is on those 2 mounts.

Not trying to whiz on the project; I hope that the concern isn't a valid one. This would be a great low buck weight loss/handling/adjustability mod.

 

[MikeRenz]

Re: Can I use coilovers w/ stock control arms ?

but the amount of load on the bottom shock mount off to the side like that kinda bugs me. The entire weight of the front end is on those 2 mounts.

in case anyone is wondering...this is what Dig is referring to:

I know its possible that this will be moved over so its completely on the lower arm, or at least strengthened beneath the mount to the side of the arm.. Makes it not so much an easy bolt on ordeal...but worth the extra effort for the sense of security.

 

[J-bird]

Re: Can I use coilovers w/ stock control arms ?

I've been daily driving my stock arm coil overs for a little bit less than a year. I haven't had any problems with this setup yet, but I will continue to watch for problems.

 

[turbodig]

Re: Can I use coilovers w/ stock control arms ?

in case anyone is wondering...this is what Dig is referring to:

I know its possible that this will be moved over so its completely on the lower arm, or at least strengthened beneath the mount to the side of the arm.. Makes it not so much an easy bolt on ordeal...but worth the extra effort for the sense of security.

And specifically, the weld around that mount. If it was a Wednesday weld, it'll probably be fine. If it's a Friday afternoon weld...

The consequences are potentially life-threatening, which is why I'm this concerned.
I guess if I were doing it (which I might), I'd go the extra step of taking the lower arm off and gussetting the heck out of it.

Won't moving it inboard create contact issues with the CV shaft? Centering it on the lower arm would be good for lots of reasons.

 

[MikeRenz]

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Won't moving it inboard create contact issues with the CV shaft? Centering it on the lower arm would be good for lots of reasons.

yea there isn't really anywhere for it to go really. Reinforcing it is the best bet....the stock arms are beefy at least and i have no doubts that they can handle the weight....but i agree and the lower shock mount on my truck will be reinforced for sure.

 

[JAX]

Re: Can I use coilovers w/ stock control arms ?

personally, I'd rather support a vendor and get everything in one package for $100 more in total price.

And even though I am employed by TurboTime.. I love to see posts like this regardless. This is a thankless business for the most part. The entire automotive service industry is really.
So Jim.. Smaug.. We at TurboTime say Thanks and You're Welcome..

As for you other Penny Pinching folks... which is ok, just don't do it in my house and call me names...

We go through a TON of back and forth with other vendors, other people just like you and I to make these ideas work. With parts that do work and parts that end up in the trash. Buying tools and machinery and other equipment to get the parts for people. That extra couple bucks that you are spending.... Puts our parts on your doorstep.. NO thinking, no driving, no websurfing, no wasted hours, no here, there and everywhere, no wasted gas driving to 8 places trying to find that $3.00 part. If OUR time and labor isn't worth your few extra bucks then please take your business and your comments to the toilet and flush your head a few times. And when you are done with that.. Go to the grocery store, buy yourself a $10.00 steak and take it to Lonestar or Outback and see if you can get the waitress and the cooks to serve you up for free.. since in the same sense.. they are just overcharging you for the same services...

And for the record..
Front coilover kit: $540.60 http://www.turbotimelounge.us/gallery/album93
Rear coilover kit: $567.16 http://www.turbotimelounge.us/gallery/album19
plus shipping..

If you wish to order a set. You can PM me here or email me at Jax@Turbotime.us

 

[MRKING]

Re: Can I use coilovers w/ stock control arms ?

personally, I'd rather support a vendor and get everything in one package

Thats what the vendors are there for . If its not worth their time , why would they even mess with the couple thousand trucks still left on the road .

I didnt buy a bunch of shocks and try stuff over and over till i got it right , I just found out what proven combo would support the weight of our front ends from the 2 available kits . That knowledge is what I payed extra for .

 

[95xtreme]

Re: Can I use coilovers w/ stock control arms ?

One thing to remember to is the stock bump stop. In my xtreme I had the torsion bars lowered down where it rode on the bumpstops and never realized my shocks were bad. I know I know, but it rode pretty good. So if a failure were to occur it would not be a full collapse shooting you off the freeway. But atleast you would be able to slow down safely and pull over. my 2 cents.

 

[willyson]

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i wish i woulda stumbled upon this thread earlier... good info

turbotime - when are you guys gonna have your store back online??

 

[NecroWolf]

Re: Can I use coilovers w/ stock control arms ?

i know i've asked before but why would you use coil overs and leaf springs? i know someone said to locate the axle but wouldn't the ride suck and it'd add one more variable to tuning?

 

[Presage]

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Okay then, somewhat entertaining.

I am glad this subject came up. If I purchase the front coilover kit now, utilizing my stock control arms but eliminating the torsion bars, is it the same shocks/springs as the tubular control arm kit and adding the rest of the parts later as my finances allow?

Thanks.

 

[MRKING]

Re: Can I use coilovers w/ stock control arms ?

Okay then, somewhat entertaining.

I am glad this subject came up. If I purchase the front coilover kit now, utilizing my stock control arms but eliminating the torsion bars, is it the same shocks/springs as the tubular control arm kit and adding the rest of the parts later as my finances allow?

Thanks.

yes they are the same .

 

[CAMSTY]

Re: Can I use coilovers w/ stock control arms ?

Interrupting with content here....

Since it's been a while since this experiment started, can the guys that have done it comment on the long-term reliability? Any evidence that this will/won't hold up over time?

Not trying to be a broken record, but the amount of load on the bottom shock mount off to the side like that kinda bugs me. The entire weight of the front end is on those 2 mounts.

Not trying to whiz on the project; I hope that the concern isn't a valid one. This would be a great low buck weight loss/handling/adjustability mod.

:tup: X2

There's got to be a bunch of you out there that have done this mod and put some miles on them, let's hear your opinions!!!

 

[BigBadSmoosh]

Re: Can I use coilovers w/ stock control arms ?

:tup: X2

There's got to be a bunch of you out there that have done this mod and put some miles on them, let's hear your opinions!!!

I love mine.. the truck has sat all winter.. I'll bring it out soon and let you all know how it does after sitting for awhile..

the truck handles like a vette, its a 10000000x better than the torsion bars.

 

[JAX]

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i know i've asked before but why would you use coil overs and leaf springs? i know someone said to locate the axle but wouldn't the ride suck and it'd add one more variable to tuning?

Couple reasons.. It's extremely cheap and easy for the average enthusiast to install the coilover/leafspring setup on a saturday. With this setup the handling is greatly improved and it keeps lowered trucks from slamming down on the bumpstops. It also adds adjustability for track use.

Eliminating the leaf springs requires a ton of custom fabrication and welding on the truck which the average guy is not able to afford and/or install on his own. Not to mention no one makes a kit to do that yet and probably won't be. So the owner would be stuck with paying a local shop fab time for a one off custom rear suspension setup. In the end I'm sure it would be nice but you'd be broke as a joke and the simple addition of the coilovers on the existing leafs makes for a damn great ride without all the headache.

We have been toying with the idea of releasing a kit but to be honest the current market doesn't really support the effort and costs it takes to develop any new parts for syty's.

 

[dgoodhue]

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We have been toying with the idea of releasing a kit but to be honest the current market doesn't really support the effort and costs it takes to develop any new parts for syty's.

You can put me inline if you do release a full rear coilover kit.

 

[NecroWolf]

Re: Can I use coilovers w/ stock control arms ?

what about using the four link or ladder bar setup they sell for airbags? is it too weak?

 

[dgoodhue]

Re: Can I use coilovers w/ stock control arms ?

what about using the four link or ladder bar setup they sell for airbags? is it too weak?

Honestly I don't know, but I don't want to be the ginnea pig. They probably aren't set up for AWD.

 

[JSM]

Re: Can I use coilovers w/ stock control arms ?

Airbag suspensions are typically setup for looks with function way down on the list. Not to say it couldn't be done, just it isn't.

I have done coilovers on both a sy and ty. Full new rear suspension. Ty's are more difficult by far, sy you can remove the bed and look around.