Wanted To Buy: Holley Carb

[DaveP]

I need a Holley for my big block El Camino so I can drive it out of storage and prep it for sale. I don't care about long-term reliability, I just need one that can be resurrected with a kit so it will idle and be drivable. The one on it now can't be saved.

Any older 600-780cfm with single or double feed, vacuum secondary, with cable linkage will suffice. I'm thinking 50-75 shipped for a rebuildable core. Please reply to davep6999 aat g mail dot com.

Thanks for looking.

 

[syclone809]

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Did you check locally on Craig's?

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/pts/4823926237.html

 

[sytyguy]

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Dave, I have several lying around I'm sure. Some already rebuilt. We're dealing with the passing of my Grandmother, so if you don't source one by Monday, I'll hit you up and get one out your way.

 

[DaveP]

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Thanks Mike. I'll check back next week when things settle down for you. It has a 6619 on it now. If I get to pick from several, might as well ask for one that doesn't require work-arounds for throttle linkage and fuel connections.. :grin:

Looking at that CL ad reminded me I have the original Q-Jet off this car in the rafters. It would probably work if I put a kit in it and bolted it back on the engine.

 

[Norm]

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I was going to ask, why not a q-jet. They actually work pretty decent.

 

[DaveP]

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This engine has an aftermarket intake manifold I installed in 1978 on it. I know I ran the Q-jet until about 1981 when the Q-jet had drivability issues from a worn power piston. I installed a 780CFM Holley, that was "stolen" for my boat engine in 1986, and a 600cfm electric choke Holley was installed on the by then de-tuned 396 in the El Camino that no longer required the 780.

I can't remember if there is an adapter involved to use a Q-jet on this manifold, and I vaguely recall (30+ years ago) the Q-jet is unusable, although I know where it is in the rafters. I need to go out and open the hood and look.

I don't really care what goes on it. The next owner will most likely throw it away and install a "Crate Engine" anyway. I just want it running and drivable so I can move it, and I feel old matching-number muscle cars are worth more if they actually run and drive, rather than the seller only saying it does.

 

[Jimmy]

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This engine has an aftermarket intake manifold I installed in 1978 on it. I know I ran the Q-jet until about 1981 when the Q-jet had drivability issues from a worn power piston. I installed a 780CFM Holley, that was "stolen" for my boat engine in 1986, and a 600cfm electric choke Holley was installed on the by then de-tuned 396 in the El Camino that no longer required the 780.

I can't remember if there is an adapter involved to use a Q-jet on this manifold, and I vaguely recall (30+ years ago) the Q-jet is unusable, although I know where it is in the rafters. I need to go out and open the hood and look.

I don't really care what goes on it. The next owner will most likely throw it away and install a "Crate Engine" anyway. I just want it running and drivable so I can move it, and I feel old matching-number muscle cars are worth more if they actually run and drive, rather than the seller only saying it does.

Let me know when this thing comes up for sale.They haven't made any Hugger Orange 69 big block El Caminos in 45 years,should sell quick for 12-15k

 

[blue83z]

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If this is a real ss396 el camino, hopefully someone will restore it.

I don't deal much in old Holley carbs, but if there are numbers you are looking for I'll check at the swap meet Sunday.

 

[Jimmy]

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If this is a real ss396 el camino, hopefully someone will restore it.

I don't deal much in old Holley carbs, but if there are numbers you are looking for I'll check at the swap meet Sunday.

It's an original Hugger Orange SS 396 from Ca from a guy that's owned it for 35+ years.

You never see stuff like that,ever.

 

[blue83z]

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Not much like that around, even at the Chevelle shows.

 

[DaveP]

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OK, might as well make this a tentative FS add for the El Camino, although there is a lurker here that has first dibs on it, as he's been after it for years. The push to get it running is so I can get it out and get pics to him.

They haven't made any Hugger Orange 69 big block El Caminos in 45 years,

My car is a 1970. This color on a 70 is unique, and not common at all. I have the documentation for the color. Here's a brief (for DaveP) tutorial on "orange" on Chevelle Super Sports.

The name is "Monaco Orange" on Chevelle/El Camino in 1969, and was a Super Sport-only color for that year. There were lots of Monaco Orange and Daytona Yellow, (the other SS-only color in 69) 69 Super Sports. This color was not available in 1970 on A-body unless special ordered by Zone through Fleet and Special Order Department. Some people call this "COPO", but a special paint car is not really a true COPO, it just went through that department because the guys that handled paint stuff were within COPO. My 70 is an F&SO, "Orange" car, and I have the tank sticker that documents the ZP3 option code for the "Special Paint", as well as the "L0373" F&SO number that is basically the instructions to the assembly plant on how to paint the car, because it's not "standard".

And to reiterate, A-body Super Sports ALWAYS required / included a 396 ci big block in one of 3 available power ratings. 325,350, or the big port, solid lifter cam, Holley carb 375 horse. There was of course a 454ci engine available for the 70-72 model A-body SS's. There was no small block SS in A-body until 1972.

It's an original Hugger Orange SS 396 from Ca from a guy that's owned it for 35+ years.

You never see stuff like that,ever.

Thanks for the props. I've had it 41 years, never wrecked, been apart several times, but always put back together with every bolt that came out of it. Still has it's California Black Plate. The only major components no longer with the car are its intake manifold, windshield, radiator, and of course numerous service items like shocks, alternator, pumps, etc. The 396 has been out and apart 4 times, but still runs, and is still under the hood Van Nuys Assembly put it under 45 years ago. 308,xxx documented miles. I have a little log book of maintenance and trips in it. I daylied it for 15 years. It's been parked since 1992.

Anyway, I still need a carb for it. Hood seems to be my best contact so far. I'll follow up with him next week. Thanks for the interest.

 

[Jimmy]

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OK, might as well make this a tentative FS add for the El Camino, although there is a lurker here that has first dibs on it, as he's been after it for years. The push to get it running is so I can get it out and get pics to him.


My car is a 1970. This color on a 70 is unique, and not common at all. I have the documentation for the color. Here's a brief (for DaveP) tutorial on "orange" on Chevelle Super Sports.

The name is "Monaco Orange" on Chevelle/El Camino in 1969, and was a Super Sport-only color for that year. There were lots of Monaco Orange and Daytona Yellow, (the other SS-only color in 69) 69 Super Sports. This color was not available in 1970 on A-body unless special ordered by Zone through Fleet and Special Order Department. Some people call this "COPO", but a special paint car is not really a true COPO, it just went through that department because the guys that handled paint stuff were within COPO. My 70 is an F&SO, "Orange" car, and I have the tank sticker that documents the ZP3 option code for the "Special Paint", as well as the "L0373" F&SO number that is basically the instructions to the assembly plant on how to paint the car, because it's not "standard".

And to reiterate, A-body Super Sports ALWAYS required / included a 396 ci big block in one of 3 available power ratings. 325,350, or the big port, solid lifter cam, Holley carb 375 horse. There was of course a 454ci engine available for the 70-72 model A-body SS's. There was no small block SS in A-body until 1972.



Thanks for the props. I've had it 41 years, never wrecked, been apart several times, but always put back together with every bolt that came out of it. Still has it's California Black Plate. The only major components no longer with the car are its intake manifold, windshield, radiator, and of course numerous service items like shocks, alternator, pumps, etc. The 396 has been out and apart 4 times, but still runs, and is still under the hood Van Nuys Assembly put it under 45 years ago. 308,xxx documented miles. I have a little log book of maintenance and trips in it. I daylied it for 15 years. It's been parked since 1992.

Anyway, I still need a carb for it. Hood seems to be my best contact so far. I'll follow up with him next week. Thanks for the interest.

I didn't realize it was 1970 with special paint. That's 20k all day long. GLWS :tup:

 

[blue83z]

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I believe cowl tag would show dashes for the color.

The Chevelle market (and subsequently el camino) has become very very dependent on documentation, since you couldn't decode by vin.

You ever dig for the build sheet?

 

[blue83z]

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My 70. Bought in 94.
It's an early production car, about the 1500th one made. Did period correct cko block (396 375 horse) for it. Ls5 or ls6 weren't available at my production date.

Anyways, your car is going to be very desirable. California sa396 el camino, matching number from original owner? That's a big deal. I can get you in touch with some major Chevelle collectors (that include el camino) if you want. Don't want to step on any toes though.

 

[Jimmy]

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My 70. Bought in 94.
It's an early production car, about the 1500th one made. Did period correct cko block (396 375 horse) for it. Ls5 or ls6 weren't available at my production date.

Anyways, your car is going to be very desirable. California sa396 el camino, matching number from original owner? That's a big deal. I can get you in touch with some major Chevelle collectors (that include el camino) if you want. Don't want to step on any toes though.

Tuxedo Black? Nice.

 

[blue83z]

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Originally a cranberry red car, bench seat, 4 speed car, but painted tuxedo black by the previous owner.

 

[Jimmy]

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Originally a cranberry red car, bench seat, 4 speed car, but painted tuxedo black by the previous owner.

I bet Dave bought that Elky in 1973 for $1500-$1700ish (since fuel crisis)

 

[DaveP]

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I bet Dave bought that Elky in 1973 for $1500-$1700ish (since fuel crisis)

Nope.

$2,150.

Which was maybe $150 below the Kelly Blue book suggested retail at the time. I still have the bill of sale for it. And the payment book too. I sold my Impala SS and rolled those proceeds into the El Camino, and added a few bucks. $76.68 per month for 12 months. Yes it was during the gas crunch, but 3 year old, clean Super Sports were still sought after, and their value wasn't particularly affected by the mileage thing.

I was 20 years old. I don't recall what my insurance on the El Camino cost, but it was almost as much as my car payment per month. My half of the house rent was $82.50. So my monthly nut was $200-ish. I was making about 800 a month in 73. So my expenses were low to income. I had a good reserve for hookers and beer. Plenty of beer.. Those were the days.

 

[DaveP]

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My 70. Bought in 94.

Nice car. Thanks for sharing.

Those trim rings look deeper than the ones on my 7X14 SS wheels. I know the SS wheel is now reproduced in many sizes, even 17", with appropriate trim rings. My car has it's 5 (yes the spare was a SS wheel too) born-with, dates work, 14X7's with original trim rings. There's a way to tell an original ring from the repos, but I don't recall what it is. Something with the clips, and the finish.

I enjoy seeing and observing cars such as yours. They're neat.

But please forgive me. As a 40+ year owner of a known-original, still in its original configuration, with many original parts still on it, with verifiable original documentation (remember even the paperwork is faked now), I tend to be jaded. But I still like them, and respect the owners for building them, and bringing them out. I wish my El Camino was a Chevelle. It would be worth 4 times more. I still don't understand the low desirability of the El Camino vs the Coupe. But I've gotta' say I've banged more hoes in the back of the Orange El Camino than all my other cars combined. Again, those were the days.

 

[DaveP]

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The Chevelle market (and subsequently el camino) has become very very dependent on documentation, since you couldn't decode by vin.

You ever dig for the build sheet?

Yes, I mention the Tank Sticker (build sheet) above. I recovered it in 1983 the first time the tank was dropped to change the Cali Evap Emissions hoses. It has aged (darkened) quite a bit since, but there's little doubt it is genuine. There are also some numbers on the sheet that can be verified using NCIB data. The document cloners have no idea how to generate these numbers. I had my tank sticker verified by NCRS Documentation Authentication that has access to NCIB GM data. It's the Real Deal.

I believe cowl tag would show dashes for the color.

The "dashes" are a Norwood Camaro thing. Not all plants used the same procedures.

Los Angeles (Van Nuys) use the Dupont formula number. My cowl tag is PNT 926-99616. The "B" is for the black vinyl top.

I did a Google with that number, and found this. Here's an excerpt:

Notes:
1. While not exclusive to 1970, special order colors seem to be more common with this year. Some DuPont paint code formulas found on build sheets and trim tags are: 926-76248, 926-99568, 926-98371, 926-99616, 926-97249, and 927-98457.

The first 3 digits denote non-metallic (926) or metallic (927) paint. The last 5 digits are the mixing formula for DuPont. No special paint 1970 El Camino has turned up yet but colors found so far on sport coupes are:
926-97249 is Red
926-98371 is Blue often referred to as Carolina Blue *
926-96881 is Blue is also described as Carolina Blue *
926-99539 is Orange (similar to Pontiac Carousel Red)
926-99568 is Yellow (1969 code 76, Daytona Yellow)
926-99616 is Orange (1969 code 72, Monaco Orange)
927-98457 is Gold Metallic (Tricentenial Gold)
927-99846 is Citrus Green
927-99593 is Metallic Blue (1969 code 71, Le Mans Blue)
Build sheets would annotate a ZP3 special paint code and show the particular DuPont mixing formula codes.

I don't know when this was written, but I sent Dale the Special Paint poop on my 70 El Camino at least 5 years ago. I know his site has been reconstructed since then, and my car is no longer on the Registry, but it was at one time. The next owner can make Dale's day, and show him a ZP3, 926-99616 70 El Camino Tank Sticker and cowl tag.

I suspect not many like mine come up for sale very often.
You ready to buy it yet? :rotf: