ultimate chip info wanted

[s_blazin]

i have an ultimate chip in my syclone, i have not yet even fired truck since owning it, (will fire soon) prev owner said that it performed great.
i've read any info i've been able to find on the ultimate chip, mine is the older style led screen with the red button.

my question being, is an ultimate chip better for stockish, slightly modified trucks, as well as trucks with a bit more stuff done to them?

the reason i ask is because based on what i've read it seems when they were made they were kind of a one size fits all type of thing, you specify your injector size, turbo size, use a 3 bar map and your boost/timing settings are set.
so being that i have gathered they are a one size fits all kind of thing, wouldn't a more modified truck require a chip with tuning capabilities?

am i wrong or what, can someone enlighten me?
i've been getting alot of my info here

http://www.sytychips.com/index.html

just found something new, an ostrich setup or moates can be used to change the "bin" out on an ultimate, for one more suited to your specific application?


i'm new to this stuff and am trying to learn, but it's alot to take in at once. i've never messed with tuning stuff before.

 

[hrodgmc]

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Sell it and make $$$. Go code 59 and ostrich for $200.oo

 

[dgoodhue]

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IMO the Ultimate worked best with stock motor, that has either a stock or mild turbo. The truck has to be running 100% correctly. However their are few rare trucks, that no matter what you did they didn't like the ultimate.

 

[s_blazin]

Re: ultimate chip info wanted

Sell it and make $$$. Go code 59 and ostrich for $200.oo

will keep that option in mind, thanks :lol:

IMO the Ultimate worked best with stock motor, that has either a stock or mild turbo. The truck has to be running 100% correctly. However their are few rare trucks, that no matter what you did they didn't like the ultimate.

hmmm, yea my motor isn't quite stock, it's not anything to get excited about but not stock, and has a larger turbo. would a mods list help determine a better answer for me?

i've been going through and saving any and all threads concerning ultimates, and then trying to sift through later, but i just don't seem to be answering myself.

i have about 15 threads saved now, haven't gotten through half of them yet

 

[cloneman315]

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YES mods.

 

[s_blazin]

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mccoy performer plus engine no idea the compression ratio, Stage 1 L-35 Heads Ported and Polished, 2.02 Valves Intake and 1.60 Exhaust, Match Flowed, kenne bell headers, innovative 60-1 turbo, innovative waste gate 38 mm i assume(no idea spring rate), innovative elec. boost controller, 3 in KB down pipe, 3 in RPM exhaust no cat, modified KB A/A intercooler system, 50lb injectors, 3 bar map, walbro 255lph hp, and racetronix hotwire kit.

as far as i know, no work done on the intakes, IE porting or anything, stock throttle body.

now it did not have the following when this ultimate was in use on this motor before

walbro 255lph pump, instead it had duel in tank pumps
did not have racetronix hot wire kit
no exhaust
K/B a/a ic was not modified




thanks guys for the input

 

[Ty1642]

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You must have the 50lb injector version of the Ultimate chip. Your build is starting to get on the edge of what the chip was designed for, but it is probably still OK. The main thing would be to datalog when you start running the truck again, and watch for knock or lean conditions.

There are several guys on here that can custom-tune the Ultimate chip for you too. I had Dig tune mine - I'd send him a Datamaster run, he'd look at it and send me a new chip. After several times back and forth the tune was good. Code 59 seems to be the way a lot of people are going, because there are some new features in it and makes tuning easier, but the Ultimate will still work too.

 

[cloneman315]

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The ultimate 50 chips are not that great,get one of phill longs 50 chip.

 

[jpalmer]

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I thought you said it was near stock :rotf: I would go with a custom tune from Dig, Nolan, or who ever and not worry about it. Code 59 is the long way, but if your in no rush, its a great learning experience and will allow you to diagnose problems much easier. also cheaper

 

[s_blazin]

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I thought you said it was near stock :rotf: I would go with a custom tune from Dig, Nolan, or who ever and not worry about it. Code 59 is the long way, but if your in no rush, its a great learning experience and will allow you to diagnose problems much easier. also cheaper

good job, you failed the reading portion of this test :rotf:

my motor isn't quite stock, it's not anything to get excited about but not stock

i guess i have some options to think about. this engine/trans was in a typhoon when it ran before, since being swapped into the syclone it has not ran at all.

one of my biggest concerns was that in the typhoon it had dual in tank pumps, and now i'm only running a single walbro, reason being, is typhoon and syclone fuel senders are different and the ty one would not fit properly in the tank, since the fuel line hook ups were all backwards, that and the prev owner lost the dual pump harness.

so i just decided to use a single, but i don't really think it ever needed the dual pumps anyways, i mean it's not making serious power so i assume it was just good insurance, but a bit overkill. plus those setups are spendy.

 

[s_blazin]

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on another topic of tuning and such, i was thinking i might want to use a wide band 02 eventually, should i weld another bung in the down pipe or can i just use the bung for the regular 02 sensor?

or do you need both?

i need to figure it out quick since i'm sending the down pipes out for jet hot coating wednesday and i don't want to find out i should have added another bung after they've been coated. i suppose maybe the best idea would be to just go ahead and add another one and just plug it until i get a wide band?

is a better place on the lower portion away from sight, i see in some cases it should be minimum of 24 in from the turbo, is there a maximum that it can't be away or it won't read correctly? i was thinking if i did one by where the starter is it would be easy to run the wiring across the back of the engine or in through the ecm wiring hole in the firewall, thoughts?

and lastly, whats everyones input on having them jet hot coat the inside of the down pipes? i hear yes and no. i would think it would be a better idea to, but maybe i'm wrong.

is anyone thats really familiar with tuning willing to sit on the phone for a few and answer some of my newbie questions?

 

[cloneman315]

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depends,my chip is open loop only o2 sensor i have is the wb02

 

[Big Mike]

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Sell it and make $$$. Go code 59 and ostrich for $200.oo

I think you forgot some things you also need an ALDL cable say $60.00 and a wideband hooked to your computer say $300.00 and a computer to run Tuner Pro Rt say $500.00, then you may be ready to run code $59.

 

[Big Mike]

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IMO the Ultimate worked best with stock motor, that has either a stock or mild turbo. The truck has to be running 100% correctly. However their are few rare trucks, that no matter what you did they didn't like the ultimate.

You do know there were multiple versions of the "Ultimate" right?? 10 N 1 / Ultimate / Ultimate 50# / Ultimate 50# Vortec

 

[Big Mike]

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The ultimate 50 chips are not that great,get one of phill longs 50 chip.

Can the Phil Long chip tell you when your truck in Knocking?? Has anyone done back to back runs with a Phil Long chip VS an Ultimate? I think this is just your Opinion. I had run an Ultimate in my truck for years, first an Ultimate for stock motor then moved up to the Ultimate Vortec 50# chip and had no problems what so ever. I think being able to see the knock light and having a security and valet setting has saved allot of trucks out there.

 

[dgoodhue]

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The ultimate 50 chips are not that great

The problem with 50# injectors progeams is their is a lot variance between injectors. So what work great with set of 50# might run like crap with another set of 50# injectors. Add that to an already finicky truck, just makes for lots poor running trucks.

You do know there were multiple versions of the "Ultimate" right?? 10 N 1 / Ultimate / Ultimate 50# / Ultimate 50# Vortec

Yes. I meant to say stock injector ultimates work best...

 

[blk00z28]

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That is true. I tried Longs 50# for my truck and it was so rich the wb wouldn't come off 10.2(which is pegged for my wb) and it was one of his chips made for my old build.