Tranny rebuild, what should I do???

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sytyfreak

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Hi all,

I've been planning on rebuilding my tranny to withstand power and to add a higher stall converter, but I don't know which way to go. One of the options I was considering was doing a hartman rebuild, but I don't know if I can afford that kind of rebuild(College and only a part time job :drinking: ) From what I've seen/heard his rebuilds are among the best not to say the best for our trucks, but If I decide to do this I'll have to take a loan in order to pay it and it will also be alot of $$$ over anyother rebuild which I can use to buy other things for my turck. Don't get me wrong, I know that hartmans work is top notch, but for me it would cost alot of work and $$$

I've come across several lists of parts for rebuilding my tranny, but I don't know how well they have come out :-?

Should I break my ass and do a hartman rebuild, do one of the cheaper rebuilds or just buy a race preped 700r4 and do a swap????

Also take into consideration that I cannot do the rebuild myself due to lack of spare time... If I buy a rebuild kit I would be taking it to a shop to be installed.

Any comment, advice, info, rebuild list will be greatly appreciatted!
 
0966Sy

0966Sy

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What kind of stall and how much higher of a stall are you planning on getting? I believe the stock trans with a trans cooler and a deep pan can handle a 2800-3000 stall as long as you keep the temp below 200F. I guess it also depends what kind of build you have and how much HP your making. I'm planning on uprading from a ATR 2800 to a 9/11 3000 on the stock tranny. Im interested in a good street/strip build, im leaning torwards a swap with Mike at RPM. Altough, I plan on using the 9/11 untill the build.
 
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Zac

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Don't forget about:
http://www.roadmastertranz.com/

These guy's donated a syty trans for last year's Nat's. I think that they are donating another for this year's as well.

looks what's on the lift.

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Also, jwaller builds transmissions.
 
dgoodhue

dgoodhue

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midnightbluS10 said:
ivanko barbell said:
Contact Brian Hartman at HHP Racing. brianhartman@sprintmail.com

No one can build a Sy/Ty tranny better than him.
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So what exactly does he do that others don't?
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I hope that I don't step on any toes, but IMO Hartman truely understands what is going on with the tranny, has done lots of testing (trying parts and tearing down), and he is one of the inovators. He is probably one of the top 700r4 gurus in the country.

The other guys have learned the craft from others and through their experience of what breaks, (not neccesarily testing to see if anything works) and with a little bit of luck they have learned some of knowledge from some like Brian Hartman.
 
HighPerformanceTrucks

HighPerformanceTrucks

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midnightbluS10 said:
ivanko barbell said:
Contact Brian Hartman at HHP Racing. brianhartman@sprintmail.com

No one can build a Sy/Ty tranny better than him.
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So what exactly does he do that others don't?
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He's done a ton of R&D to keep Sy/Ty specific transmissions from breaking and allowing them to perform better under extreme conditions. The AWD system in our trucks compounds the 700R4 tranny inherent problems. Brian has done more than just upgrading the tranny with "race" parts. He's developed custom components that are necessary to keep the trans from blowing apart. Many of the parts he felt necessary for a strong rebuild, just weren't available so he designed his own. Not only did he build better internals, he improved the pump design to deliver and handle more pressure for longevity and better performance and he builds his transmissions to very tight tolerances. It's both the chemistry and the alchemy that makes his transmission build unique.
 
Hu Ryde

Hu Ryde

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dgoodhue said:
A couple of tranny build doesn't make you the expert. A humble man knows his limitations and where credit is due...
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:D Who said I was? I didn't......... IM NOT! Let me clear this up before this goes in the wrong direction. I have little experience in building trannys, yes that's true. I have built one and it is doing great, yes that's also true. I have talked to MANY people on both sides of the fence, yes that's also true. I have an opinion, is that ok? After all we all live in America. Anymore beef then please PM me.
 
Hu Ryde

Hu Ryde

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Zac said:
Don't forget about:
http://www.roadmastertranz.com/

These guy's donated a syty trans for last year's Nat's. I think that they are donating another for this year's as well.

looks what's on the lift.

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Also, jwaller builds transmissions.
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Mike Lee at RPM does also, along with some wild 350's and 400's. Anything is possible these days.

McCoy also has trannys.
 
dgoodhue

dgoodhue

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Hu Ryde said:
:D Who said I was? I didn't......... IM NOT! Let me clear this up before this goes in the wrong direction. I have little experience in building trannys, yes that's true. I have built one and it is doing great, yes that's also true. I have talked to MANY people on both sides of the fence, yes that's also true. I have an opinion, is that ok? After all we all live in America. Anymore beef then please PM me.
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I don't have a beef with you. We are all untitled to an opnion. Anybody who has been around here know that you & George have disagreements with Brian Hartman. Its just when you write something that it is total untrue because of your bias, that I have a beef with. You wrote "Nothing that anyone else can do cheaper." So your infering that hartman has overpriced tranny that any competent shop can do, right? Come on just look at the all the major manufacturer (art carr, raptor, level ten, etc.) that build the high hp tranny, none of them last behind a syty. The local shop that say they have a '600hp corvette' with their tranny can't build them either. With the right parts, an open mind and a few pointers they could build a good high pefromance tranny, however more 99% of the tranny shops don't build strong enough trannies for our application.

I would think that we all can agree, that BH knows his trannies, his rebuild kits are expensive, he uses top quality parts, and his kit price includes his R&D and time talking on the phone. I will just leave it at that.
 
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Blake

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I hate it when this stuff happens.Look, Brian knows what he is talking about. He's done a lot of R&D. So have I. I've got a really good idea what does NOT work also. This is what Brian does for a living, he MUST be good at it or he cannot make a living doing it, just like any of you people in your living whatever it may be. I really like Brian as a person, I just didn't agree with his business practice or the way he aggressively lashes out sometimes at newbies. His dark, perfectionist personality is what makes him good at it. He takes pride in that.
I studied for TWO YEARS of off and on before even touching a part using different shops and MANY resources. Sonnax has MANY technical documents online. Many. I went through a lot of them. ATSG has undates you can subscribe to. I've done 10 rebuilds not including the 3 on mine(TC problem many know about and 13 vane pump issue and 4th servo and bonded piston problem) When I started giving out info I was immediately a problem. How do you charge more for parts when info is in the price? See what happened?
People have forwarded the emails to me. Brian's called me "clown", "hack", etc. so he obviously doesn't care for me(or more specifically when I help people). I've seen people that I really respect slam me in other forums(off topic)when this stuff comes up. I'm not gonna stop helping people. So don't base opinions of me based strictly on what him or his cohorts tell you about me. Please don't turn this poor guy's request for help into a thread of nonesense. Everybody can't do their own and many people here, John Waller, Michael Hood, Mike Lee, many listed in this thread already can do OUTSTANDING work. Brian does good work as well. I don't do this for a living, I just get a kick out of helping others.
I apologize to the moderators for this, I've had a really bad week with surgeries and my son's ongoing illness and see a guy asking for help and then click on the thread and see my name with Brian Hartman's bringing up old dirty laundry between us. The archive search works just fine. Knock it off.
How about we leave it at that? I'm not gonna be real surprised to see this thread locked or removed. This is silly. I apolgize to the poor guy that was just asking a simple question to see it go down hill.
George
 
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