Top Stock class

THEMADTYPH00N

THEMADTYPH00N

Active member
Re: Top Stock class

I agree the staggered tree it with the way the rules are written isn't right. 3100lbs is the minimum weight. Now I know its unlikely that a Ty would get that light but lets just say someone does put they're Ty on a diet. So they end up getting a .3 head start for what? Ive never seen any other racing classes give (for example) a Camaro a head start because they are generally heavier than mustangs. The class has a set minimum weight. If you choose not to get your truck down there that's not the other guys problem.
 
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MikeRenz

not stock
Re: Top Stock class

THEMADTYPH00N said:
I agree the staggered tree it with the way the rules are written isn't right. 3100lbs is the minimum weight. Now I know its unlikely that a Ty would get that light but lets just say someone does put they're Ty on a diet. So they end up getting a .3 head start for what? Ive never seen any other racing classes give (for example) a Camaro a head start because they are generally heavier than mustangs. The class has a set minimum weight. If you choose not to get your truck down there that's not the other guys problem.
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and how many National Mustang Camaro events have you gone to. Remember that the spirit of this event is to have fun and line up our trucks against each other. The Sy and Ty are the same powerplant, same sheetmetal, same interiors, etc...just different shapes/weights. Aside from a completely stripped, all lexan/fiberglass body, tube frame, lightweight everything...there is no way in hell that a Ty is going to make up 2-300 lbs on the Syclone. How many Ty's have you seen that had the rear seat removed to race?

I understand the Sy's looking at the rules on paper and thinking it's unfair...but look at the past events and see who wins.

.2 seconds is nothing. You can make that up at just the tree. Be the better racer and you can pretty much gaurantee .2 seconds will be negligable.
 
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MikeRenz

not stock
Re: Top Stock class

cloneman315 said:
It is very stupid,plan and simple....
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it's not stupid. it's as fair as can be without making 50 racing classes. Remember we don't have hundreds of trucks showing up to race, so it only makes sense to have a limited number of classes....and certain rules have to be established to make this happen.

Rather than just complain about the rule...sit back for a second and think about the overall picture here. Make a suggestion on how to modify the rule rather than just say "thats not fair".


We're competing by racing driver skill / engine mods. In these trucks, the guy who spends more time tuning is going to go faster than the guy who spends more time removing ballast. Gerber went 10s w/ a 4,100lb truck.
 
cloneman315

cloneman315

Active member
Re: Top Stock class

I could see this if both sy and ty were both bone stock etc,so if Mike lee brings his ty down and runs a 12 second sy he would get .2 also? I Just want to make sure I am understanding this right.Or is this just for a baseline in time trials etc?To me it is just like what ricers do when they want a set number of spots,,just line them up and run them,why can that not be done,in set classes?
 
qbnkiller

qbnkiller

Conflaguration Specialist
Re: Top Stock class

his honorable Renz has spoken....

I am as competitive as the next guy. I will be happy if I can make a couple of good passes. I do not race my truck - hell, this will be the first year I have it all together again since 2005-2006.

As Renz said, lets just keep the rules as-is, and have a good time!
 
cloneman315

cloneman315

Active member
Re: Top Stock class

Whatever, like I said I am not into drag that much, but the guys that are might have a bigger problem with it,but it is still a very dumb pointless thing I think.
 
THEMADTYPH00N

THEMADTYPH00N

Active member
Re: Top Stock class

MikeRenz said:
and how many National Mustang Camaro events have you gone to. Remember that the spirit of this event is to have fun and line up our trucks against each other. The Sy and Ty are the same powerplant, same sheetmetal, same interiors, etc...just different shapes/weights. Aside from a completely stripped, all lexan/fiberglass body, tube frame, lightweight everything...there is no way in hell that a Ty is going to make up 2-300 lbs on the Syclone. How many Ty's have you seen that had the rear seat removed to race?

I understand the Sy's looking at the rules on paper and thinking it's unfair...but look at the past events and see who wins.

.2 seconds is nothing. You can make that up at just the tree. Be the better racer and you can pretty much gaurantee .2 seconds will be negligable.
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I went to more NMCA & NMRA races last year than there have ever been Sy/Ty Nationals. But whatever lets just drops this. Neither side is going to give in and see it the other way around.
 
JSM

JSM

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Re: Top Stock class

The stagger is purely to try to level the field based on weigth differences. Stock classes get .4, faster .2, outlaw gets no advantage.

I have not seen racing THAT close at any nats, nor is there any money on the line here, just fun.

If someone has a better suggestion i am sure as a staff we will be glad to listen. As renz said though give us a good way to "try" to level the field as best as possible with only a few classes.

Honestly my ty is at a huge disadvantage to say wills syclone. I have full everything, radio, ac, back seat, 3 amps, you name it.

His truck is ls1 powered with a lot of the extras gone.

Give us a better suggestion/idea that is fair to both sy and ty owners and trys to match up the best racing we have ever seen at any nats.
 
turbodig

turbodig

Active member
Re: Top Stock class

MikeRenz said:
Also don't forget that isn't not just weight, it's also wheelbase. Ty's have a much shorter wheelbase that is detrimental to weight transfer. Compare the #s and i'd be willing to be that most of that .2 seconds is accounted for in the first 60' of the track anyway.
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Yup, the wheelbase is a big part of the deal.

We've wrestled with this in the past- what it amounts to, is that if you don't give the Tys something, they don't race. .2 is more than fair for this class.

Quite often, people give up more than this on the R/T, if you look at all the timeslips from past Sy/Ty class races.
 
turbodig

turbodig

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Re: Top Stock class

THEMADTYPH00N said:
I agree the staggered tree it with the way the rules are written isn't right. 3100lbs is the minimum weight. Now I know its unlikely that a Ty would get that light but lets just say someone does put they're Ty on a diet. So they end up getting a .3 head start for what? Ive never seen any other racing classes give (for example) a Camaro a head start because they are generally heavier than mustangs. The class has a set minimum weight. If you choose not to get your truck down there that's not the other guys problem.
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Virtually all the Stock and Super Stock NHRA classes are factored for weight. They're also factored for HP, but giving a weight break is not out of line by any means.

The Ty is at a disadvantage for weight, wheelbase, and shape. As you start getting more 'serious' in terms of build, the head start gets smaller. This fits in that the more serious builds are more likely to shed weight.

This isn't anything new- it's been done ever since we've done racing at nats, in all classes except Pro.
 
sy#2716

sy#2716

SyTy 4 Life
Re: Top Stock class

Does Gettosled even have a motor in it any more? becasue last i remember he sold it to a customer who put it in a mud truck or sand rail or something like that.
 
sy#2921

sy#2921

BAMF
Re: Top Stock class

MikeRenz said:
and how many National Mustang Camaro events have you gone to. Remember that the spirit of this event is to have fun and line up our trucks against each other. The Sy and Ty are the same powerplant, same sheetmetal, same interiors, etc...just different shapes/weights. Aside from a completely stripped, all lexan/fiberglass body, tube frame, lightweight everything...there is no way in hell that a Ty is going to make up 2-300 lbs on the Syclone. How many Ty's have you seen that had the rear seat removed to race?

I understand the Sy's looking at the rules on paper and thinking it's unfair...but look at the past events and see who wins.

.2 seconds is nothing. You can make that up at just the tree. Be the better racer and you can pretty much gaurantee .2 seconds will be negligable.
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How about this then at a camaro/firebird event they do not give a fully loaded ws6 any head start to a hard top formula let alone anything for being a convertable type car. There is anywhere from 250-400lb difference in just the different models of f-bodies.
 
turbodig

turbodig

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Re: Top Stock class

sy#2921 said:
How about this then at a camaro/firebird event they do not give a fully loaded ws6 any head start to a hard top formula let alone anything for being a convertable type car. There is anywhere from 250-400lb difference in just the different models of f-bodies.
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But they're the same type of car, with the same wheelbase. A Jimmy and a S-truck are 2 completely different types of vehicle.

There's 2-400 lbs difference (or more) among Tys, just based on what wheels you're running and how much stereo equipment you have. This is about more than weight.


I'm not entirely sure why the Sy guys think this is such a big deal. To my knowledge, a Ty has never won. this class, and I got money that says the winning margin of victory is gonna be waaaay more than .2
 
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