Talon AWD turbo

Jer

Don't taze me bro!
Re: Talon AWD turbo

Spinall4 said:
LOL, well I leave the line a 17 psi in my car now. I would take an O2 elim. but I don't need it yet. I'm just going to get one made(but it will be a coustom O2 housing, set up for a big 28) when I get my new turbo. and I'm running a 2.5" down pipe so all I need is a 2.5" O2 housing. I actualy have a 95 TSi AWD, My name is Ippkiss on DSMTALK. Your right about the 1/92-6/92 having the 6 bolt motor, and 4 bolt rear, but there so damm hard to find. anywase, I'm just going to rebuild my 7bold with the 4g64 block and crank. Can you say gobbs of low end torque and now Crankwalk?

You have got to be shittin me... yer talking all of this (17psi out of the hole... c'mon man) on a T-28? Do you know the first thing about those turbos? If you did you would know why everyone pulls them off and throws them in the dumpster. Starting in 1995 they shrunk the intake manifold, head runners and size of the turbo all in attempts to lower the amount of turbo lag and in doing so created parts that were impossible to increase the power potential (unless of course you had more money than brains which it sounds as though you have neither) and were left with a car that was quicker reacting in stock form and had potential so long as you swapped out a 1g head... larger turbo and 1g or custom intake manifold. Now you have a 7bolt too???? Step away from the keyboard son. This shit may work on your Jr. high buddies but here we know a thing or two about our vehicles.
 
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Jer

Don't taze me bro!
Re: Talon AWD turbo

Spinall4 said:
Well, I'm doing a 2.5 dp, 3" cat, 3" cat back set up. I talked to the guys at AHP, and the recomend that I go with the 2.5" dp so I don't lose the low end (beacus the low end allready sucks in my a/t) and sence the turbo i'm getting is fairly small the say the 2.5 dp would be perfect. Anywase, this is suposta be my Daily driver, I'm going to get a used Cyclone intake mani. from a local shop to see if it helps throttle response any. As it is my car sucks any wase. A/T, 106,000 mi on the stock engine, and 4800ft is a bad combo. I can only pull 0-60 in 7.6 sec(aprox.)

Here we go again. An auto 2g DSM running a T-28 will most certianly NOT do a 7.6 second 0-60 time... period. I won't even get into your statements about 2.5" vs 3" downpipes.
 

Jer

Don't taze me bro!
Re: Talon AWD turbo

Spinall4 said:
I have yet to run my car at the track(I was with out a license for 13 months, and I just got it back about a month ago). My car is a bad example of an a/t dsm, I just did another run tonight and could only pull 0-60 in 7.5 sec :x I wish my damm turbo back exhaust would come in I ordred it a month ago. I would estimate that my 60 ft's are about 2.0-1.9 range. I did mange to chirp my tires on the launch I did, it was prety damm cool. I've alwase wondered what the hell that tiedown cable does? I've read about it on the site(i'm a verry big fan of sy/ty's I just can't afford a sy and college at the same time, and I would rather have college) but I have no idea what the hell it does? oh and the ty I drove was a pos, I found out afterwords it had a tank full of 4 month old gas, and hadn't seen a tune up for 2 years. Yes the a/t dsm is very rare(at least modded ones are) beacuse noby wants an a/t. I like my a/t alot, and the last person to talk shit on it(kid with a getto modded dx civic) got about 8-9 cars put on him by 60. :D

Wow.. it sure is gettin deep in here. Your estimation would be WAY off. Look at the picture below:

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In it, I was pulling 1.80-1.90 60' times and was running high 13 second 1/4 miles. If you think you're even close to that in a stock auto tranny DSM running a T-28 you are smokin some serious hooch. The reason nobody wants an auto tranny DSM is it's one of the worst auto trannys ever put into a compact sports car. It scavenges about 50% of your power and will break on an annual basis if you throw anything at it above 250hp. Do yourself a favor and sell that piece of shit to some other dumbass who doesn't know the first thing about cars before you're the last one on earth and stuck with that rolling turd. You had 8-9 car lengths on him by 60???? 60 what? Blocks?

You should go on the TV show Pinks and throw the race just to unload that crap wagon on someone else. Please stop talking about it like Enzo Ferrari himself built it.
 
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Jer

Don't taze me bro!
Re: Talon AWD turbo

Spinall4 said:
Pulling a 1.5 sec 60' time in a dsm is generaly considered insane beacuse that kind of abuse will usualy leave driveline parts all over the starting line. The only people that pull those times are hardcore dragracers, that have trailerqueens, and people that can afford to put in a new tranny at every other oil change. One day maby I will be rich enough to afford both a dsm and a syclone but not right now :(

Wait... didn't your mostly stock piece of shit pull 1.90's? Now suddenly it takes an unstreetable trailer queen to get four tenths quicker 60' times? You starting to see your own bullshit here? The weak link isn't the tranny (although the 1-2 syncro can go out over time with high power and hard shifts) it's the transfer case. Even with lots of abuse the worst you'll get from a DSM tranny is the occasional spitting it out of first gear upon take off or grinding on the 1-2 shift. With an ACT2600 and full face disc you can kiss the transfer case good bye before too long. I don't make mention of the auto because they built like two of them so I don't think it's worth talking about.
 

blk00z28

Forced to by choice
Re: Talon AWD turbo

Oh man, to be into the internet racing again :eek:
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Jer, I am laughing so hard at the info you are telling this guy and correcting him at every move:tup: :tup:

I have friend with a stock DSM. I dont know if its 1st gen or 2nd, but it was running mid high 14's before he totaled it. That doesnt sound to me like it would take my Camaro off the line let alone a syty. :roll:
 

GMCSyclone1

NASTE MEMBER
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Jer said:
You should go on the TV show Pinks and throw the race just to unload that crap wagon on someone else. Please stop talking about it like Enzo Ferrari himself built it.

:rotf: I'm dying here give me a break. :rotf:
 

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
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blk00z28 said:
Jer, I am laughing so hard at the info you are telling this guy and correcting him at every move:tup: :tup:

I am :rotf: because he is correcting someones post from 2002. Look at the dates, trollingfrank dug up an old post. Argue with any walls lately?
 
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GMCSyclone1

NASTE MEMBER
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dgoodhue said:
I am :rotf: because his correcting someones post from 2002. Look at the dates, trollingfrank dug up an old post. Argue with any walls lately?

:haha: Thats even funnier I didn't even notice but now I can't breath.
 

Jer

Don't taze me bro!
Re: Talon AWD turbo

dgoodhue said:
I am :rotf: because his correcting someones post from 2002. Look at the dates, trollingfrank dug up an old post. Argue with any walls lately?

aHaha... Look at my times. Typhooner0073 hit me up at 3:00am MST after a night of drinking talking about how this meat stick was trollin' it up. Not sure but it must have touched a nerve because I just unleashed the wrath on the poor guy. Good thing he's probably no longer around because I was worried his lack of response was a result of my harsh words pushing him to suicide. Good shit man... it just got that much funnier to me at least.
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Spinall4

New member
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Lets see why haven't I replied to this thread any sooner? Oh yes thats right, it was started and finished 3 years ago.

I must be a troll since I just come on here to talk shit, and don't own anything like a black/black 93.

Jer, I think you sir annoy the **** out of alot of people on here, and all over the net I run into you spreading misinformation here in the audio section, audizine, god knows where else. Up until know I've tried to be nice and let you go on, but the bull shit stops here.

Let us visit the picture you posted. I see 1g doing its thing stock suspension style, squatting the back end down on some 14-15 year old shocks. I see some 17" rims with what appear to be some crap tires, at one of the slowest tracks in America. Oh yes, I'm sure that a great recipe for some of the best 60' times a DSM has ever pulled.

Lets go back to my car for a second, at the time I was running a ****ing STOCK Garrett t-25, This turbo is referred to by many as the T-too small. The turbo I was talking about upgrading to at the time was the Garrett Big T-28, which is a totally different turbo.
http://linux.forcedperformance.net/...uct_Code=NTDSMFPBIG28&Category_Code=DSM-Turbo "the FP-Big28 pulled our full weight 99 GSX to an 11.82@119.3mph." Looks like the almighty Jer Doesn't know as much about turbos as he thinks he does.

lets touch on some other finer points from Jer.

-the 6 and 7 seven bolt blocks I was referring to, means the amount of bolts on the FLY WHEEL, not the number of bolts used on the main bearings. Hey, the VFAQ to the rescue for JER. http://www.vfaq.com/mods/early-late-engine.html "how to tell the 6 bolt and 7 bolt motors apart"

-all US spec 1g dsm's came with auto seat belts. This was government mandated because the car didn't have air bags. Auto seat belts were dropped in 95 when the 2g rolled off the line with air bags for the passenger and driver. Only Canadian spec 1g cars came with out auto seat belts. http://www.vfaq.com/mods/CDNbelts.html whats this, people converting to Canadian spec belts in 1g's? sure seems dumb to get parts from Canada if you could get the parts in the good ole USA.

-generally, "it had thicker walls that allowed for more porting and less cracking " would be considered a better exhaust manifold.

- the 7 bolt motor, 4 bolt rear end, and 2 piston "big" brakes all started at different points in 92 not 93. I was mistaken in quoting that only 2g's had the better brakes, and 4 bolt rears but it was just a joke intended from one dsm owner to another, not your whiny ass.

- will break on an annual basis sure seems a little off when my trans had 136,000 miles on it, bone stock took 40,000 thousand of those miles from me lanching it all the time (I would venture to say that I put 1000 launches on that trans in 4 years), 6 months of trick shift, 1 of those years running a bigger turbo and support modds, Toying with the stock ecu pulling timing after 5 seconds of power breaking to help boost, and is living on in another a/t dsm with no problems.

-2.5" vs 3" o2 housings and down pipes. http://linux.forcedperformance.net/...reen=PROD&Store_Code=FP&Product_Code=O2FP3025 " No compromise in power was measured with the 2.5” unit over the 3”, 540whp at 27psi has been recorded with the 2.5” housing." Oh yes I'm sure my lowly sub 300 hp daily driver needed a 3" o2 housing and down pipe.

Please don't ever dig up one of my 3 year old threads ever again, just so you can spread misinformation.

For everyone else, I think they know I've earned the reputation of sticking up for Diamond Stars on this board. I personally don't like to see any quick car not get the respect it deserves, and it could be a touch of sympathy for the first and second nice cars I ever owned (at 1 point in time I did own 2 of them, and got rid of both to buy my ty).
 
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TYTILIDIE

METH HEAD
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I dont care about your rep for sticking up for DSM's on here. Wheather JER knows what hes talking about or not is also not important. The point is that coming here and flashing your DSM crap around is plain gay. Its almost as gay that we were arguuing about a 3 year old post but while were throwing words around thats my .02. Isnt there a DSM forum you could go brag on? Just like that guy a few months ago who got on here with the GoldVR6 or whatever the ehll it was. He gets on here to say how much he loves SYTY's but basically any Golf could out do it. Personally, I dont get onhere to hear who can out do me. I come here cause I take an assload of pride in my truck and when people like you and him come on here seemingly likew youre shotign us down with your other crap rides its offensive. And I dont care if tis jsut the internet cause i put alot of time on this board trying help and getting help and I spend a lto of time in the SYTY community (here in my state that is) meeting other memebers and taking pride in what we have. You and I have argued this stuff before if you remember to the point Admin had to step in. I understand the age of the post but your reply about your rep plain sucks IMO. Stick up for them somewhere else please. Ill be honest, if I was goign to buy a low end import I would probably get a TSI or GSX, but that doesnt mean I would go around trying to prove how bad I am cause I can spend xx$ to get into the 12's with it. We all knwo SYTY's have much of the smae capabiulity depending on the mastermind behind hte project. I think you jsut seem a little arrogant by doing what you do. And a little offensive. Im sure that if DSM owner want to defend themselves they can do it at the track on the street. I came from the Vette world and I tend to Vette biased to a degree but I dont come here sticking up for them at all cause Im here to praise what tthis board was emant for....SYTY's. I dont care what you think of my post or me either. So dont even bother with the why are you crying over the internet crap cause I just dont give a damn. It is my opinion and Im sticking to it.
 

Spinall4

New member
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typhooner0073 said:
We all knwo SYTY's have much of the smae capabiulity depending on the mastermind behind hte project.

This was the whole point of what I had said in the first place, sy/ty's and dsm's are in the same boat. If some one that knows what they're doing has one, it can be quick for very little $$$. For every one of these guys, theres probably 100 that throw thousands upon thousans of dollars at these things and run stock times. It happens to all car groups, but I look at the sy/ty as the big brother to dsm's.

If you noticed, I try to keep from starting huge flame wars all over again, you guys were the ones who dug this up, not me.
 

BigBadSmoosh

Picking fights on I-65 since 2013
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hilarious..

Jer - your posts were worthless and not needed.

spinal4 - you sir are the winner.

dsms are girls cars, albeit fast/quick girls cars.. I gave spinal4 shit for driving a girls car for a long time, he earned my respect. On the other hand, having a ton of money to blow on a clone trailblazer SS and a supra with a hideous body kit and a ton of posts that make my head hurt doesn't.
 

BigBadSmoosh

Picking fights on I-65 since 2013
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also, for those of you that WERE around, 2002 nationals in Chicago.. a syclone owner laughed at a challenge by a DSM owner, i warned him that dsms can be quick and not to bet the farm.

He didn't listen, bet the farm, and lost quite a bit of money.
 

blk00z28

Forced to by choice
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smaug said:
also, for those of you that WERE around, 2002 nationals in Chicago.. a syclone owner laughed at a challenge by a DSM owner, i warned him that dsms can be quick and not to bet the farm.

He didn't listen, bet the farm, and lost quite a bit of money.

Come on, name some names :lol:
 

MikeRenz

not stock
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smaug said:
I don't remember, but others even put money into the pot.. I think it was like a $1000 purse..
plus it took about 4 hours to set the stupid race up, and no one could agree on how to run. That race blew and is still under protest. :rotf:
 

TYTILIDIE

METH HEAD
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My issue isnt if they are fast or not. I jsut feel like Spinall4 gets on here to insult people. Maybe I take it the wrong way I dontknow. Just seems like thats the way it is. Personally I have only been beat by one DSM. It was highly modded. I know what htey can do and never said they couldnt pull anyting off. I jsut dont see why a SYTY site is a good place to "stick up for them". Perhaps it can be explained. Hmm, maybe Ill join a DSM site and brag about my truck? Would be interesting to see whaat kind of replies I get. Anyway, Ive had plenty of people laugh in my face when Ive challenged them and ended beaten the pants off em so its not like DSM's are king. As for wheather we are in the same boay iM not to say. There afre similarities but somehting about an old blazer beatin down a new model Vette or what have seems a little different than a sports car doing it. Not saying either is better but dont really think its the same. Just my opinion. Im dating a girl with a TSI that is totally hot. She can drive her car well and its ok i suppose. Not my thing but ok. I can give it soem props, shes all stock adn cant touch me to save her life. She wants to put a super 16g? on it. I offered to help but i might be more damage since I dont know much about it. im sure its all fairly the same to SYTY;s but I was recently unnder the hood of a GST and was totally amazed to see how mcuh room there isnt under the hood. I thoguht SYTY's wwere cramped. All I was doing was removing a boost controller I bought off the girl. It was all messed up in there.
 

BigBadSmoosh

Picking fights on I-65 since 2013
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typhooner0073 said:
My issue isnt if they are fast or not. I jsut feel like Spinall4 gets on here to insult people. Maybe I take it the wrong way I dontknow. Just seems like thats the way it is. Personally I have only been beat by one DSM. It was highly modded. I know what htey can do and never said they couldnt pull anyting off. I jsut dont see why a SYTY site is a good place to "stick up for them". Perhaps it can be explained. Hmm, maybe Ill join a DSM site and brag about my truck? Would be interesting to see whaat kind of replies I get. Anyway, Ive had plenty of people laugh in my face when Ive challenged them and ended beaten the pants off em so its not like DSM's are king. As for wheather we are in the same boay iM not to say. There afre similarities but somehting about an old blazer beatin down a new model Vette or what have seems a little different than a sports car doing it. Not saying either is better but dont really think its the same. Just my opinion. Im dating a girl with a TSI that is totally hot. She can drive her car well and its ok i suppose. Not my thing but ok. I can give it soem props, shes all stock adn cant touch me to save her life. She wants to put a super 16g? on it. I offered to help but i might be more damage since I dont know much about it. im sure its all fairly the same to SYTY;s but I was recently unnder the hood of a GST and was totally amazed to see how mcuh room there isnt under the hood. I thoguht SYTY's wwere cramped. All I was doing was removing a boost controller I bought off the girl. It was all messed up in there.


I don't think he was bragging.. just sticking up for something he likes..
eitherway, this thread is old, and was dead.. let it stay that way.
 
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