Should I do it? 94' V6 Camaro

So I don't know why the idea keeps getting more appealing to me since my Ty is FAR from completion, but swapping a 4.3 syty turbo into the 4th gen I am currently driving sounds like a good idea.

The Camaro has 155k miles on the clock, the 3.4 had a blown head gasket at 135k but the darn thing keeps moving along, although with more and more unhealthy sounds. For example the lifters have been very noisy for about a year now.

Right now, I hate the car. It is slow, has an open differential, automatic and deteriorating appearance make me want to part it out when the motor lets go. But I have a 4.3 syty long block, LB4 heads and stock turbo sitting in the garage. The Ty block has 100k of boosted life so it needs freshened, but I don't think the swap would be that bad and the car might be fun again. I also like a "sleeper".

The tranny in the camaro would bolt right up. I would run the PCM that is in the car, V-6 MAP based and better ignition than a SYTY being waste spark. 4L60E would be under control of the PCM and all the gauges should work. I don't know if the 3.4L has a crank position sensor, but that could be added easily enough. I wonder how the Ty Convertor would behave in a Camaro?

Might have to figure out some packaging as the SyTy intake manifold would probably be too tall to fit under the hood. Intercooling would be another challenge but would be do-able for sure.

Downsides:
-Would have to fix up a lot of little things on the car. I can live with some of the quirks but the Drivers side door skin has poped off and every fix I have tried never works. Getting a whole new door would require paint. Car is teal now and paint is faded anyways... just wouldn't want to dump a ton of money into paint.
-Would HAVE to get a limited slip differential and a TA girdle.
-The tranny has 155k miles on it too and didn't receive much attention from the previous owner. Don't know how much longer it would last.
-How much more would it cost to get a crate LS motor?

What do you guys think?
 

Chest Rockwell

Active member
Re: Should I do it? 94' V6 Camaro

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the 3.4 is just another version of the 60* v6, which isn't compatible with the 90* 4.3 bellhousing. If this swap is gonna happen, you'll have to change out the tranny, too.
 

socal

New member
Re: Should I do it? 94' V6 Camaro

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the 3.4 is just another version of the 60* v6, which isn't compatible with the 90* 4.3 bellhousing. If this swap is gonna happen, you'll have to change out the tranny, too.

correct. Along w all the cost to convert it, wireing, ecm, tuning, exaust, mounts, tranny, ect... You should just save the money and buy another beater or fix what you've got to get you by, and finish the Ty. I like the idea allot as I'm a f-body guy first but take my advice, 1 project at a time. Not the DD.
 

ziembic

Donating Member
Re: Should I do it? 94' V6 Camaro

You can pick up an ls crate from GM for 4 to 5k. You can pick up yard pull outs anywhere from 1000 to 2500. I think your gonna have a harder time than you think squeezing in the engine due to the intake. Also, it doesn't seem like the exhaust would work really at all. Your gonna need a custom set of headers/manifolds. Oil pan as well.
 

BoostedSUV

Active member
Re: Should I do it? 94' V6 Camaro

I think you're talking about a lot more work than its worth. Besides, why would you want to sacrafice a Ty to save a v6 camaro? I mean it would be a cool project but I don't think a Ty motor is the best transplant option.
 

Brassmonkey

Cruzin' Mel Man
Re: Should I do it? 94' V6 Camaro

A lot of people are putting 3.8 GN motors in those Camaro's with good results.
 

UR50SLO

V6+2=LSXCamaro
Re: Should I do it? 94' V6 Camaro

I'd have to agree with the other guys. Unless the car is cherry and you plan
On making it a toy and not a daily driver.
I have turbo'd 5 3.8l 98 up camaro's and birds they runnin the 12's
With stock everything. You can pick up a 3.8 cheap and swap that in much
Easier than a 4.3. Or pick uP a entire used car running and driving for 2000
Hope that helps
Scott~
 

TYTILIDIE

METH HEAD
Re: Should I do it? 94' V6 Camaro

I don't see why it couldn't be done for under 5k for everything. There are enough SYTY specific parts floating around for very fair prices that you aren't really sacrificing a SYTY. And besides, people use our stuff in other cars anyway that are worse or uglier than a Camaro.
 
Re: Should I do it? 94' V6 Camaro

A lot of people are putting 3.8 GN motors in those Camaro's with good results.

That's what had me thinking about this swap. I remember an early 4th gen firebird featured in GMHTP that boogied with a GN 3.8.

You should just save the money and buy another beater or fix what you've got to get you by, and finish the Ty. I like the idea allot as I'm a f-body guy first but take my advice, 1 project at a time. Not the DD.

I think you're talking about a lot more work than its worth. Besides, why would you want to sacrafice a Ty to save a v6 camaro? I mean it would be a cool project but I don't think a Ty motor is the best transplant option.

I guess I wasn't clear. I have a new built block for my Ty, new turbo, intercooler, etc so a lot of the 'spare' parts could be used to put together a new motor. Also, the Typhoon will be finished before I would ever cut into the camaro. I know better than to take the daily driver down to do a project. Even if I finish the Ty I would wait till the 3.4 in the camaro dies to make a final decision. I keep thinking that the camaro is going to die any day but it keeps on going.

So, I have a Ty long block sitting around that had 100k miles. It wasn't hurt, just a blown head gasket. I also have the LB4 heads, stock turbo and downpipe as well as other parts that aren't getting used. If the block could be freshened up and new bearings installed and assuming that it doesn't need bored +0.030" and need new pistons it would be a cheap turbo motor for me. I was thinking, I have buddies that buy an F-body chassis to throw an LS motor in. I have the car and possibly a turbo ready 4.3 with little investment.

You can pick up an ls crate from GM for 4 to 5k. You can pick up yard pull outs anywhere from 1000 to 2500.

My question, who doesn't have an LS motor in a camaro? I like doing something different, but if this were to cost nearly as much as an LS2 swap I just couldn't justify a V6 turbo. LS motors are great and have a lot of power potential but I'm not always jumping on the bandwagon even if it is a very nice bandwagon.

I think your gonna have a harder time than you think squeezing in the engine due to the intake. Also, it doesn't seem like the exhaust would work really at all. Your gonna need a custom set of headers/manifolds. Oil pan as well.

I agree that the SyTy intake manifold and oil pan aren't going to cut it. Exhaust, however should be a piece of cake. Have you seen what the LS turbo guys do? Take a set of 6.0l Truck manifolds and turn them backwards. Reminds me of SyTy turbo manifolds when I think about it. Maybe the turbo will be close to the strut tower since the V6 sits so far back, but downpipe would be cake. There is also tons of room between the core support and the accessories for A2A intercooling. I can almost stand in there.

correct. Along w all the cost to convert it, wireing, ecm, tuning, exaust, mounts, tranny, ect... .

I wouldn't have to do any wiring major wiring changes, maybe splicing on a couple of new connectors to get the right sensors. I would be running the 3.4L ECM in the car (Assuming there is support to tune that ECM). I do my own exhaust and tuning. I would think the motor mounts would be easy, not sure though.


Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the 3.4 is just another version of the 60* v6, which isn't compatible with the 90* 4.3 bellhousing. If this swap is gonna happen, you'll have to change out the tranny, too.

If this is true it may keep me from ever pursuing this idea. I figured a 60E was a 60E. Thanks for pointing that out. If I stumble across a cheap, low mile 4L60E from a 90* motor it might revive this idea. Too bad the 60E sucks anyways.
 

Norm

Donating Member
Re: Should I do it? 94' V6 Camaro

The 60e is not a bad tranny. It's not held with lin pressure like the 700r4's are. There's guys beating the hell out of them, I know a guy in my city running high 9's with his in a firebird. He street races it,drag races it and just plain old beats on it. He's spent some money on it, but for a stock tranny, there aren't all that bad. Your swap is do able like anything else. How much time/money and resources do you have kicking around.
 

IGottaSy

Active member
Re: Should I do it? 94' V6 Camaro

Isn't the camaro's wheel base different from the sy-ty along with different width and lenght? Seems like lotsa work. I like the idea though.
 
Re: Should I do it? 94' V6 Camaro

Isn't the camaro's wheel base different from the sy-ty along with different width and lenght? Seems like lotsa work. I like the idea though.

I wouldn't be converting to AWD. I would be keeping the same tranny type, so same driveshaft and differential would work.
 
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