Rockford Racecraft is trying to rip me off.

Americanmuscle1

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Re: Rockford Racecraft is trying to rip me off.

phoonTy said:
Reread the entire thread. He did go to get his truck/parts. He got the truck and a pallet of junk parts because they wouldn't give him what was his. From what I recall, his truck is almost finished by another builder. :tup:
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couldn't have said it better myself.....oh wait, that's exactly what I said. Thanks.
 
Americanmuscle1

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blk00z28 said:
If he's doing all of what you say, you are truthful about this and still has your truck or parts. Then you need to go to the shop in person, and request your products and truck right there on the spot.

If they refuse to give you your rightfully owned parts/truck. (make sure you have documentation. Like the title to the truck clearly showing you as the owner. Printed copies of the check being cashed, and the reciept from his shop for those parts. Go to the local police department and talk to someone about filing a theft report and tell them what's going on. I would also get a lawyer.

The thing I find odd. Is that you've waited so long to do something about this. If it was me, 3 months I would have been to the local police, and had a deposit towards a lawyer.
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Also, I could forward you at least 5 or 6 private messages that I have received about this thread. Oddly enough most of them have the exact same story as mine, though some have lost thousands more. One of them was even a very long time friend of Guy Reffett's. Imagine that! They have all.....ALL, except one (that I know of), have gone and picked up their trucks. If he is going to do this to a friend of his....why should I expect any less. Do some research on this site.....Reffett has always, ALWAYS...stood up and defended himself on some of his past alledged accusations. Not so with this thread. I have invited him to share his side, I feel as though SyTy people should know, but he won't! That's because he is wrong. I don't expect to ever get my motor or $$$$$ back at this point, but if I can save you (the reader) money and keep another SyTy from being ruined....thats exactly what I intend to do. No if you choose to allow him to dismantle anything you own...you have my sympathy. Live and learn, but I hope to teach some of you through my loss. By the way, I will never give up the names of the people that have sent me private messages about their experiences, which are like mine. I have too much respect for them as they have asked me not to. Have a good day!
 
cloneman315

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yeah the NY way would work,Beat that ****er with a bat!!

Or how was it said in pulp fiction after the guy met the gimp?

"Call some hard pipe hittin ni-gas to come down here and take care of the holmes here"
 
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Americanmuscle1

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A little email for your reading pleasure.....this is Guy's response for not getting back with me for over a week after he had let me truck get broken into. He had originally told me that the truck would be inside. He says it was only outside for a couple of days....WTF! I have plenty more emails that I will cut and paste so that you all can see Reffett's decline to self destruction. Enjoy.



It was Tuesday, the 2nd.

And your truck HAD been inside. We had moved some vehicles around, doing some cleaning in the shop. It was only supposed to be out overnight, maybe a couple days, max.

Guy

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Nelson [mailto:americanmuscle1@verizon.net]
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 1:48 PM
To: Guy Reffett
Subject: RE: Hi Don

What date did this happen?

-----Original Message-----
From: Guy Reffett <greffett@rockfordracecraft.com>
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 10:50 AM
To: 'Don Nelson' <americanmuscle1@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: Hi Don

Hi Don,

Sorry not to return you text earlier. We have had an awful week here. 10 cars were broken into here at the shop. I am sorry to say yours was one of them (as was mine). They broke your window and stole your stereo. Let me say first, my insurance WILL cover all the damage, and when the truck is done, you will never know it happened. What I need for my ins people is your current address, and if you can give me any information as to model number (serial number if you have it) of the stereo that was in the truck.

They only damaged the bezel around the radio, and that part is available, so all we have to do is replace the window and stereo. Im sorry about this news. Its been a real nightmare week. They really messed up MY truck.

Guy
 
Americanmuscle1

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Every wonder what a business does (well this is how RR does it) with your deposit? They obviously use it for everything except your truck. I do understand there are operation cost...but Reffett had 18

SYTY's at his shop when I dropped mine off. If all of those 16 people had paid their 60% deposit as I had....I would think there would be enough money to get SOMETHING finished. Mine was probably used for his bear hunting trip to Canada with his father. Anyway...read on as Reffett explains.....

-----Original Message-----
From: Rockford Racecraft <greffett@rockfordracecraft.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 8:59 PM
To: Don Nelson <americanmuscle1@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Hi Don,

No problem Don,

Your motor will be in the next group of four that I am working on. I have more than four to do, but cash flow constraints dictate I stick to four for now.

I know you'd like me to commit to a timeframe, but I can't just yet. Best I can do is keep in routine communication, and let you know how it is progressing. I know its been a long time, but it has been far longer for most of the others here.

Talk to you again soon,

Guy



----Original Message-----
From: Don Nelson [mailto:americanmuscle1@verizon.net]
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 7:31 PM
To: Rockford Racecraft
Subject: RE: Hi Don,

Hello Guy, first off I would like to thank you for making my build one of the four that you are currently doing. I don't own or run a business but I am not sure I understand the "cash flow constraints" thing. I guess I thought the 18 other trucks would have paid their 60 percent as I did.
Anyways, thanks again for making mine one of those 4. I was curious if you were running regular business hours this week except for Sat. Because of the RR BBQ? I am trying to get up there one day this week to do some cleaning on the truck, as I am sure the paint is begging for some care. I would like to come up Sat. But that is not looking like a good day for me. I kind of wanted to meet some of the people. Maybe another time. If you could let me know I would appreciate it, thank you, Don


-----Original Message-----
From: Guy Reffett <greffett@rockfordracecraft.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 10:17 AM
To: 'Don Nelson' <americanmuscle1@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: Hi Don,

Hi Don,

What happens with deposits people pay is they obviously all go into the same account and are used to begin to buy parts, accessories, etc. That money also is used for operating expenses for the business, utilities, salaries etc.

What has happened lately, is that with so many pieces and parts proving difficult to get, we have explored alternative avenues to obtain parts with has included commissioning our our manufacture, some fabricating and the like. That has all cost boatloads of up front money. Not to mention having bought many of the available parts we need for builds, but at the same time those trucks can't be finished until we get ALL the necessary parts. So it's a more cash goes out than comes in story and it makes for a very grumpy business owner! LOL!

What makes it worse is that by the time we finish a truck, the deposit doesn't even cover the parts usually. Our margin is so low to be competive and economical enough for people to afford it, that we are in the hole by the time of completion. It isn't until the truck is delivered that we me make back our money and obviously, our profit.

So you can see that we are always VERY anxious to complete trucks. SY/Ty's are our bread and butter and engine rebuilds are our most profitable enterprise, so they always get priority.

I hope that this explains some of the realities we have here and maybe helps you understand why this process takes so long.


Sorry you can't come Saturday. I thought I had seen your name on the list of attendees. We are open as usual til Saturday, and had actually intended to wash all the trucks (your's included) and had planned to put a coat of wax on it since I knew you were concerned about it. You are certainly welcome to come up anytime this week if you'd like.

I had noticed on your truck that the front of the tonneau cover's stitching was starting to unravel. Looks like there will be a gap there soon.

Let me know if you plan to come up.

Guy
 
blk00z28

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Sorry for not reading all of the 5, almost 6 pages of the thread to remember you actually got the truck back and its getting better for you. That is a good thing, and I'm happy for you.

I just don't understand what your(Americanmuscle1) still trying to prove by beating a dead horse.

Dude, come on, its been around what, 3 years now that you've been dealing with this shit. Step up and do it the right and legal way. If you haven't gotten together with these so called other people(or just yourself!) who have been treated and taken for thousands of dollars and filed a type of suit against him, or his business. Why are you still bitching about it? Answer that.

You've mentioned here and there this is to help future people from doing business with him and whatever or whoever he may be doing business with as well. Thats all well and good. But you keep going on and on with the complaining, and not doing anything about it, lol.

If at any time you considered a suit, you need to look into it NOW before it becomes to late. Because there are/is a statue of limitations on how long you have from being wrongly done and being able to rightfully file a suit. If you(or any of you other guys, who want to remain "nameless" :roll: ) had any sense you would have already looked into this. If you haven't, or are scared, or think you can't get any of your money back you are wrong. His business insurance might have to pay for his wrong doings, or just him personally. That again, you should be finding out. Most business insurance companies also might not consider insuring him if he's lost a case due to his own fault. And if you have others to prove it that would be even better. Keep him from doing it!

Sorry for being an asshole. I know others are thinking what I'm saying. Just are for whatever reason not, or afraid to say it like I have. :2cents:
 
Osmosis

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I definatley think the sooner you persue legal action the better. It will give much more clout of your situation here on the board. When I read your first post, I was pissed! Thank God I know how to build engines.....trannys..Thank god I've a great guy who knows how to build trannys! I had been skrewed by a machine shop in my past and that just pain sucks. Is this jacka$$ a board sponsor? If so, man......CYA! You definatley should follow up with the this problem with a lawyer. The sooner the better!

Good luck and keep us all informed! I don't want anyone here to get skrewed by this jerk again!:rant:
 
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Re: Rockford Racecraft is trying to rip me off.

blk00z28 said:
I just don't understand what your(Americanmuscle1) still trying to prove by beating a dead horse.

Dude, come on, its been around what, 3 years now that you've been dealing with this shit. Step up and do it the right and legal way.
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I think what he's trying to do is keep others from falling into the same trap.

Seems we've all heard of guys having cars or trucks in "Paint Jail" or something along that lines. Drop a car off at a shop with a good reputation and all it does is sit there and rust for months or years, all the while costing the owner money. I haven't had one of those experiences (yet), but I know a couple of buddies who have.


And as to why there's no legal action, I think autoaddictions put it best:
autoaddictions said:
Lawers just cost money.
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He's only in for like $6k. There's no way he's going to do anything other than throw good money at bad by enlisting a lawyer. Even if he were to win a settlement, he'd probably never see any money anyway.

Just my .02 worth.

'JustDreamin'
 
blk00z28

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That is not true. And only keeps people from taking further action because they don't want to waste more time and possibly money. He's already lost 3 years. Its clear he's not in a rush. :roll:

I was told by every everyone I talked to, non legally educated person this is when I filed a suit on a car dealership I would get no where, and lose. I ended up getting the over all cost of the car with all finance fees, interst, tax, and dealers fees, cost of all gas, phone calls, and all other fees or expense I incurred. And a few thousand more. And all lawyer fees paid for, which just his fees totalled over $40k.

Any good lawyer who would be willing to review and take this case, find there is fault, or fraud would take the case. It would be up to the main poster to discuss the actual commission or payment of the lawyer to be paid for only after winning the case and paid by the person at fault. If he contacted the other parties, and possibly filed a class action suit type suit, all parties would have this option or bring it up to the lawyer in hire/question.

Eh, I might be an asshole. But at least I didn't take his money. I'm just offering advise. :lol:
 
Americanmuscle1

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'JustDreamin' said:
I think what he's trying to do is keep others from falling into the same trap.

Seems we've all heard of guys having cars or trucks in "Paint Jail" or something along that lines. Drop a car off at a shop with a good reputation and all it does is sit there and rust for months or years, all the while costing the owner money. I haven't had one of those experiences (yet), but I know a couple of buddies who have.


And as to why there's no legal action, I think autoaddictions put it best:



He's only in for like $6k. There's no way he's going to do anything other than throw good money at bad by enlisting a lawyer. Even if he were to win a settlement, he'd probably never see any money anyway.

Just my .02 worth.

'JustDreamin'
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Thanks Dreamin,

You are exactly right! I will beat this horse until I can no longer beat! Pretty sure I made it clear that I have pretty much wrote off my experience. When I first took my truck to that shop, I knew of no one, or had a buddy, to help out. Though now I have have several board members offer to help out now, at the time I didn't. I thought Reffett was reputable. My hope is that anyone else thinking so will read this. Then make their own judgement on should I or shouldn't I seek to do business with RR. So....until this thread is locked, and I don't know why it would be, I will continue to try and keep it alive. I have been very calm in getting my side of the story out and will continue to keep it that way. 6k may be very little money to many of you, but really, much more was lost. I lost a 39,000 mile, original motor, which really takes away from what was a very clean truck. Check out the pictures. Plus the trust of someone I thought was a reputable SyTy guru. Had I read a thread like this before I took my truck to RR, I probably wouldn't have! So...blk00z28, if you have nothing to gain.....next time you log on, just skip over any Americanmuscle1 thread you see, because sometimes you just can't beat a dead horse enough!
 
escofield

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I for one am interested in keeping this thread going, for the simple fact I am victim of Guy Reffets bad business practices aswell. If this thread will save some one else from the BS he has put Don, myself and others through then it is well worth it.

E


Americanmuscle1 said:
Thanks Dreamin,

You are exactly right! I will beat this horse until I can no longer beat! Pretty sure I made it clear that I have pretty much wrote off my experience. When I first took my truck to that shop, I knew of no one, or had a buddy, to help out. Though now I have have several board members offer to help out now, at the time I didn't. I thought Reffett was reputable. My hope is that anyone else thinking so will read this. Then make their own judgement on should I or shouldn't I seek to do business with RR. So....until this thread is locked, and I don't know why it would be, I will continue to try and keep it alive. I have been very calm in getting my side of the story out and will continue to keep it that way. 6k may be very little money to many of you, but really, much more was lost. I lost a 39,000 mile, original motor, which really takes away from what was a very clean truck. Check out the pictures. Plus the trust of someone I thought was a reputable SyTy guru. Had I read a thread like this before I took my truck to RR, I probably wouldn't have! So...blk00z28, if you have nothing to gain.....next time you log on, just skip over any Americanmuscle1 thread you see, because sometimes you just can't beat a dead horse enough!
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blk00z28

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I'll ask this again. If you(both, and others) have been screwed out of a substantial(sp) amount of money, or parts not received or the parts you paid for, why haven't you taken legal action?

if you didn't, or have not at all. Then there is a reason. What is that reason?

Writting the amount off because you lost in court trying to settle the problem is one thing. Writing it off because you don't want to take the action and waste your time(like 3 years isn't a long time.) because someone online said you'd lose is completely different.

I understand informing others. You make it seem like I don't, I do completely. But there are a lot of people who when reading this will want to know the over all out come of the situation. And when they read you got stiffed, while he still keeps doing business they are going to wonder why. Like I am very simply asking now.
 
TNPhoon

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escofield said:
I for one am interested in keeping this thread going, for the simple fact I am victim of Guy Reffets bad business practices aswell.

E
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Did he take your hood and not give it back?

j/k

I personally don't have a few G's to have "taken from me" and not worry about it. IMO, if I was a "victim", I would do whatever was necessary to recoup my $ as soon as I realized I was being jerked around. Just my :2cents:
 
escofield

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1. It cost more money, which I dont have
2. I, unlike the others actually drove my truck away from RR,
(It was over budget, 18 months past original delivery date, not painted, not tuned and leaked oil and coolant, etc)
3. I have looked into the IL Attorney General, but I unfortuantly signed the invoice that RR gave me when I picked up the truck, making legal action that much harder. Leaving SyTy.net one of my only outlets for getting the word out.

I was inexperienced and got taken. Is what my final outcome was. I gave this man my money and he produced a half ass job almost 2 years later and then charged me more for it.

read my story here, not the flatering of my actions but true nonetheless

http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=70665&highlight=problems+Rockford

Sorry to thread jack Don, I just hope this helps the cause.



blk00z28 said:
I'll ask this again. If you(both, and others) have been screwed out of a substantial(sp) amount of money, or parts not received or the parts you paid for, why haven't you taken legal action?

if you didn't, or have not at all. Then there is a reason. What is that reason?

Writting the amount off because you lost in court trying to settle the problem is one thing. Writing it off because you don't want to take the action and waste your time(like 3 years isn't a long time.) because someone online said you'd lose is completely different.

I understand informing others. You make it seem like I don't, I do completely. But there are a lot of people who when reading this will want to know the over all out come of the situation. And when they read you got stiffed, while he still keeps doing business they are going to wonder why. Like I am very simply asking now.
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WTBSYTY said:
Did he take your hood and not give it back?

j/k

I personally don't have a few G's to have "taken from me" and not worry about it. IMO, if I was a "victim", I would do whatever was necessary to recoup my $ as soon as I realized I was being jerked around. Just my :2cents:
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There comes a time when you balance retribution with happiness. Yes I would love to stick it to that MFr. but at what cost to myself. At this time I'm happy to share my experience with whomever will listen, this is my retribution... for now. If I win the lotto, I'll definietly take him to court!

I have my hood, it's just not painted like he promised it would be(included in the original deal and price)
 
Americanmuscle1

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blk00z28 said:
I'll ask this again. If you(both, and others) have been screwed out of a substantial(sp) amount of money, or parts not received or the parts you paid for, why haven't you taken legal action?

if you didn't, or have not at all. Then there is a reason. What is that reason?

Writting the amount off because you lost in court trying to settle the problem is one thing. Writing it off because you don't want to take the action and waste your time(like 3 years isn't a long time.) because someone online said you'd lose is completely different.

I understand informing others. You make it seem like I don't, I do completely. But there are a lot of people who when reading this will want to know the over all out come of the situation. And when they read you got stiffed, while he still keeps doing business they are going to wonder why. Like I am very simply asking now.
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One reason is I don't have the time. You say I have waited 3 years as it is. Getting screwed for 3 years didn't require me to take anytime from work. Lawyers would, plus their fees. Also I live 250 miles away and it would require several trips to get this taken care of. I have talked with several people that have been "screwed" by this business as well, and have mentioned maybe trying to coordinate a class action law suit. Many are interested but nothing really works out as it would take a lot of work to get this going as well as the funds needed to move forward. "IF" it was to go in that direction and "IF" we/I won, there would most inevitable be a second law suit to recover our/my money as I am sure he would file bankruptcy and such. So, with that said, my healing/payment, will be in the form of letting you all know. This site has been really helpful in my getting this story out, and before you ask, it really doesn't take much of my time because I usually type approximately 90 WPM and it doesn't cost much money because my girlfriend pays for the internet, also a vacation day from work is not needed. I would like to thank you though, for helping "bump" this thread to the top.
 
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