Repainting Red/Red
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DaveP
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Re: Repainting Red/Red
Depends on what you want, and what the painter is acustomed to using.
Single stage paint is still available for solid colors. [Red is 'solid']. Metalics are now 2-stage only. [Must use clear coat].
My opinion is that most two stage are too glossy, compared to original finishes. If you don't want it to look like it's been repainted from 20 feet away, I suggest using single stage.
Having said that, I can make two cases where 2-stage makes sense:
If you are painting it yourself, in a 'garage' enviroment that will be a little dirty, it's easier to sand and buff clear coat, than color coat. It's also easier to 'spot repair' 2-stage, if you really have a problem.
RED CARS! Red oxidizes quickly. It is just a royal pain to keep glossy and nice. Clear coat seems like it's less hassle to keep looking nice.
I know about these issues. I have two red cars that I painted myself. The Typhoon is single stage, I like the way it looks, but has deteriorated greatly over the eight years since it was painted, even with garages, covers, and maintaince. I feel a lot of this is because of the color sanding and buffing that was required to get the paint smooth in the beginning.
My DD pick-up was painted with Linear Polyurethane. Aircraft finish. $500.00 for 5 qts ready to spray. I had trouble with dirt. Can't really color sand LP. Now 2 years old, it is starting to oxidise. I didn't expect this from LP. I try to maintain it with polish / wax about every 6 months, but this is my DD.
Because of my experiences above, I will probably try 2-stage on my next solid-color paint project.
If 'stock' appearance is important, there are techniques and clear-coats that can get really close to the desired result. Experiment, if you're doing it yourself. Or have a chat with the painter. Perhaps have him shoot some 'test panels' for your evaluation.
No surprises that way.
Good Luck with your repaint.
Dave
ZMann said:
Depends on what you want, and what the painter is acustomed to using.
Single stage paint is still available for solid colors. [Red is 'solid']. Metalics are now 2-stage only. [Must use clear coat].
My opinion is that most two stage are too glossy, compared to original finishes. If you don't want it to look like it's been repainted from 20 feet away, I suggest using single stage.
Having said that, I can make two cases where 2-stage makes sense:
If you are painting it yourself, in a 'garage' enviroment that will be a little dirty, it's easier to sand and buff clear coat, than color coat. It's also easier to 'spot repair' 2-stage, if you really have a problem.
RED CARS! Red oxidizes quickly. It is just a royal pain to keep glossy and nice. Clear coat seems like it's less hassle to keep looking nice.
I know about these issues. I have two red cars that I painted myself. The Typhoon is single stage, I like the way it looks, but has deteriorated greatly over the eight years since it was painted, even with garages, covers, and maintaince. I feel a lot of this is because of the color sanding and buffing that was required to get the paint smooth in the beginning.
My DD pick-up was painted with Linear Polyurethane. Aircraft finish. $500.00 for 5 qts ready to spray. I had trouble with dirt. Can't really color sand LP. Now 2 years old, it is starting to oxidise. I didn't expect this from LP. I try to maintain it with polish / wax about every 6 months, but this is my DD.
Because of my experiences above, I will probably try 2-stage on my next solid-color paint project.
If 'stock' appearance is important, there are techniques and clear-coats that can get really close to the desired result. Experiment, if you're doing it yourself. Or have a chat with the painter. Perhaps have him shoot some 'test panels' for your evaluation.
No surprises that way.
Good Luck with your repaint.
Dave
Black Knight
I Glow Therefore I am
Re: Repainting Red/Red
Hey Dave I went to have a couple things painted the other day and took my own single stage paint in with me and they told me that legally you can't paint single stage in California. He's one of my buddies friends so I'm sure he wasn't just tryin to sell me somethin, but it did seem unusual. They do insurance stuff normally though so I wonder if that has something to do with it??
Hey Dave I went to have a couple things painted the other day and took my own single stage paint in with me and they told me that legally you can't paint single stage in California. He's one of my buddies friends so I'm sure he wasn't just tryin to sell me somethin, but it did seem unusual. They do insurance stuff normally though so I wonder if that has something to do with it??
DaveP
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Re: Repainting Red/Red
It's been a few years since I was current on "what is and isn't legal..." So, I'm not positive about a blanket-statement "single stage is illeagle in California" being true or not, now. For a long time, there were exceptions to the VOC limits for "specialty coatings" applied in small amounts to small areas.
My beloved DP40 Epoxy Primer fell into this catagory, and was legal to buy in 1-quart quantities. I purchased some PPG 'CLV' series paint last week. This is single stage color. There IS a new product line for single stage PPG. (Just heard about it, don't know the 'term' for it yet.) Maybe CLV is being phased out, and this new one meets stricter standards. But it's still single-stage. So it must be legal.
Don't think insurance work or not would have any influence on 'legality'. Possibly, because of most of their work being 'new stuff' , they use 2-stage exclusively in their shop, and therefore don't HAVE the solvents, activators, etc for use with single stage. Painters can also be 'fussy'. They like to use familiar products and techniques. Makes for more consistant results, and satisfied customers, (if that's possible in body-paint work).
Question: Did your guy paint your parts anyway? He should have. I believe the way it's interpreted / enforced, is it's illeagle to SELL the stuff, not to use it. Particularly in small quantities.
Interesting stuff. HTH
Regards,
Dave
Black Knight said:
It's been a few years since I was current on "what is and isn't legal..." So, I'm not positive about a blanket-statement "single stage is illeagle in California" being true or not, now. For a long time, there were exceptions to the VOC limits for "specialty coatings" applied in small amounts to small areas.
My beloved DP40 Epoxy Primer fell into this catagory, and was legal to buy in 1-quart quantities. I purchased some PPG 'CLV' series paint last week. This is single stage color. There IS a new product line for single stage PPG. (Just heard about it, don't know the 'term' for it yet.) Maybe CLV is being phased out, and this new one meets stricter standards. But it's still single-stage. So it must be legal.
Don't think insurance work or not would have any influence on 'legality'. Possibly, because of most of their work being 'new stuff' , they use 2-stage exclusively in their shop, and therefore don't HAVE the solvents, activators, etc for use with single stage. Painters can also be 'fussy'. They like to use familiar products and techniques. Makes for more consistant results, and satisfied customers, (if that's possible in body-paint work).
Question: Did your guy paint your parts anyway? He should have. I believe the way it's interpreted / enforced, is it's illeagle to SELL the stuff, not to use it. Particularly in small quantities.
Interesting stuff. HTH
Regards,
Dave
Six-is-Enough
Use to do a little Boost
Re: Repainting Red/Red
Careful. He will call you a p***y and tell you to get on it.:tup:
According to my Drunk Tennessean to english translator book, Jimmy was saying on his Ty on the repaint he went with a base coat-clear coat finish. His cladding was orignally argent color and he stayed with that color on the cladding. His TY WAS NOT red on red and you should do red with argent cladding to be as cool as him.:drinking:
ZMann said:
Careful. He will call you a p***y and tell you to get on it.:tup:
According to my Drunk Tennessean to english translator book, Jimmy was saying on his Ty on the repaint he went with a base coat-clear coat finish. His cladding was orignally argent color and he stayed with that color on the cladding. His TY WAS NOT red on red and you should do red with argent cladding to be as cool as him.:drinking:
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Black Knight
I Glow Therefore I am
Re: Repainting Red/Red
No, I ran into some other trouble I'm still trying to resolve. The grill in my Sy is broken and I need it repaired, well I found out how much it is going to cost to repair it over just buying a new one. Problem is it's a factory grill with an insert. So I'm waiting on this other company to put one together for me but the grill is on back order.
The told me the wouldn't even use the paint I have. He said I might as well just dispose of it. I get what your saying, they probably just do so much new stuff all they do is 2 stage. I'll get it figured out one way or another, I can just shoot it myself if it comes down to it, I just am picky and don't think my work is up to my own standards :roll:
DaveP6999 said:
No, I ran into some other trouble I'm still trying to resolve. The grill in my Sy is broken and I need it repaired, well I found out how much it is going to cost to repair it over just buying a new one. Problem is it's a factory grill with an insert. So I'm waiting on this other company to put one together for me but the grill is on back order.
The told me the wouldn't even use the paint I have. He said I might as well just dispose of it. I get what your saying, they probably just do so much new stuff all they do is 2 stage. I'll get it figured out one way or another, I can just shoot it myself if it comes down to it, I just am picky and don't think my work is up to my own standards :roll: