New chip update

skwayb

skwayb

NWSTP
Re: New chip update

I am working on getting everything together for a setup like Jeff has so I can help tune everyones here in Seattle. My setup is all hardwired in and is a pain to pull out. I have everything except the extra WBo2 controller. I should have one of those in a couple of weeks.

But to be honest, you are going to want your own Wbo2 controller. Otherwise what would be the point of using the Wbo2 Fueling, Highway Mode, etc. Those tables are all based off using the WBo2 controller voltage being fed into the ECM..... hmm..But how would you know that since you probably haven't seen all the features... On that I will make a new post with the features we have and that are coming.... so atleast you know why I say you need your own WBo2 controller. We give you most of software tools to tune your own bin.
  • Cal Copy - take your 58 cal and copy it into the 59 bin.
  • Tool to make your new 16x32 fuel table courtesy of Leroy - added to the autotune spreadsheet.
  • The Autotune spreadsheet that Jeff and I worked on (95% Jeff, I just gave pointers on what excel functions to use and a couple of formulas) The Autotune spreadsheet is all based off WBo2 being logged in TunerPro.
So you can see that a WBo2 controller is very important to have installed with the new code since the AutoTune is all based off the Wbo2 AFR readings.
 
SeattleSy#1255

SeattleSy#1255

Category 5 Conservative
Re: New chip update

dgoodhue said:
How much are you really going to share though? Laptops, software, cable maybe I prefer to have my owner for datalogging (this is most of the cost). Burner, Yeah. Wide band some wiring is needed, who pays when the O2 sensor burns out. Adpater, 3 bar , Flash chip is necessary for each vehicle.
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edit...ok i get it now.
 
ashman

ashman

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Re: New chip update

plus, if you want to run wideband closed loop...you're definitely going to need a WB
 
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HotRodV6

HotRodV6

Doghouse Member
Re: New chip update

Ok let me see if i understand this correctly, using this new code 59, we will no longer be abel to use datamaster at all??

Everything else sounds pretty sweet, and i got to ask when will this be ready to us here in the general public, i plan to have my new motor in the truck and back up and running in the next few weeks and would love to start tuning this new motor with the new code. I have everythinng else, just need to plug my WBO2 output into pin F14, already ran the wire to the ECM, just not hooked in yet.
 
skwayb

skwayb

NWSTP
Re: New chip update

HotRodV6 said:
Ok let me see if i understand this correctly, using this new code 59, we will no longer be abel to use datamaster at all?
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Code 59 is heavily modified Stock Sy/Ty (58) code. So technically right now at this point Datamaster would still hook up and log data, problem is we changed a bunch of the ALDL outputs so some of the datafields in Datamaster wouldn't look correct. Also down the road we may change the ALDL communications to make it easier for AutoProm/programs to connect to our ECM. Who knows at this point. We are still in beta.

So I wouldn't even use datamaster. TunerPro is going to be your logger of choice on 59 so you can take the ALDL log and dump it into the AutoTune Spreadsheet. It will then spit out a new VE table for you to copy back into your VE table in Tunerpro and burn a new chip. Makes tuning the big table a lot easier.
 
MRKING

MRKING

New Parts for Old Trucks
Re: New chip update

Another option if you dont want to be constantly burning chips is to buy an ostrich .
 
TYTILIDIE

TYTILIDIE

METH HEAD
Re: New chip update

This sounds awsome and again I cant wait. Any idea on when it may be released? Hell, maybe you guys can start writing code for GM or ather big car companies. Ofcourse, they dont want people messing with thier code so I guess that cancels that.
 
JSM

JSM

Active member
Re: New chip update

Still working with some beta testers. We have 1 bug for sure that needs fixed still.

I did put the new chip in a typhoon this past weekend and it ran great. I think we have some tools that will help those that are willing to learn to tune head in the right direction also. Tools are not perfect but they do give some idea on where to go.

Close, you can see a couple trucks at nats for sure with the code. I am sure Dig or myself will be glad to demo it.
 
sytyguy

sytyguy

Moderated User
Re: New chip update

Agreed Jeff.....been running my truck on $59 for a few days and nothing but good results. v17 should be nice. I'll put my bin on code59 this week once I finalize it. Once this goes public, you guys should have no problem tuning your trucks. The tools we have available to us now (compared to when I started chipping in '97) are mind blowing. Just think, I used to edit hex to make VE changes. :rotf:

Hood
 
JSM

JSM

Active member
Re: New chip update

sytyguy said:
Agreed Jeff.....been running my truck on $59 for a few days and nothing but good results. v17 should be nice. I'll put my bin on code59 this week once I finalize it. Once this goes public, you guys should have no problem tuning your trucks. The tools we have available to us now (compared to when I started chipping in '97) are mind blowing. Just think, I used to edit hex to make VE changes. :rotf:

Hood
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Good, been wondering how others have been doing. If you want post your impressions as a user here. I obviously have been playing with code for awhile now and a bit biased. Curious what someone fresh to it thinks as I am sure others here will also.
 
dgoodhue

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
Re: New chip update

sytyguy said:
The tools we have available to us now (compared to when I started chipping in '97) are mind blowing. Just think, I used to edit hex to make VE changes. :rotf:
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I remember the first day I tried do my first real chip work on my idle, I made around 20 changes that day. My computer/chip burner was on second floor, after 20 times up/down the stair on hot day, I was like F-this! I decided I was going to buy a cheap computer for the garage to run my burner. My laptop was running just DOS for diacom. This was just the idle, the VE table on a SyTy was going to take a ton of time. Shortly this incident the Romulator/Real Time packages came out, I was among the first inline.
 
ashman

ashman

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Re: New chip update

I'm seeing awesome $59 results also. I'm probably a good example of the average owner that doesn't know alot about tuning. I played around with the $58 and could get results, but $59 just makes it so much more intuitive. The WB02 closed loop funtion is great. Once your truck is tuned pretty close, just enter the AFRs you want for each MAP/RPM, enable CL and watch the magic!!!

I can imagine that some of the aftermarket ECM companies are a little bit worried.
 
JSM

JSM

Active member
Re: New chip update

One of the good things about the new chip is a tool we developed we call the autotune. What this lets you do is go for a drive and collect up to about 30 minutes of data in tunerpro (must use tunerpro to take advantage of the new features we added). You can then come home, throw 30 minutes of data into autotune which will then output a new suggested fuel table for you based on that data and wb input.

  • Where before I would tune from pass seat I can now more easily look over history and make adjustments
  • It does an average and filters out data not pertaining to the main fuel table. Takes a lot of user confusion out.
  • It can be set to only make adjustments if data sample is large.
  • Will guide the tuner/user where to go and gives an indication of how well the tune is for the truck.
Now it won't take the tuner out. With experience you can use the suggested table, with your knowledge and really make progress fast. If your new though, it will guide you in a safe direction.

Anybody considering tuning and the new chip can start now making sure they have a wideband o2. Without one the new chip won't help you much if any.
 
JSM

JSM

Active member
Re: New chip update

ashman said:
Once your truck is tuned pretty close, just enter the AFRs you want for each MAP/RPM, enable CL and watch the magic!!!
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Just think this is very early stages of wb cl operation. We plan to expand the logic further once a stable version is released.
 
Tooky

Tooky

Serious about performance
Re: New chip update

This will permanently break Datamaster compatibility? That's extremely unfortunate. No offense to the TunerPro guys (I use it for VE tuning myself now), but TunerPro's datalogger doesn't even compare to Datamaster. It's like an afterthought on a BIN editor compared to a fully featured datalogger. I believe Mark Mansur has even stated something along those lines himself (and that datalogger redesign would be a ways down the road.) Datamaster Dyno, Quarter Mile Calculator functions, and the incredibly useable realtime (and saved) graphing features of Datamaster are integral parts of my tuning process. I can't imagine tuning without them. (I've always wondered how guys with FAST conversion etc. do it.)

I hope you will consider my thoughts in your future developments. Your 59 code sounds killer except for this major drawback (for me). Maybe the Datamaster guys could make a seperate 59 edition that handles the new ALDL values correctly? I got them to make an 8F edition for my 1990 Turbo Grand Prix LG5 motor after a year of begging, so there's hope! :D
 
JSM

JSM

Active member
Re: New chip update

The problem is datamaster definition is built into the code and we can't change it. Now if Datamaster would give us the tools to modify the definition and how it reads the ALDL then maybe. Datamaster could change themselves but right now things are changing quickly.

The new code sends out new information key to tuning.

Tunerpro granted isn't the best data logger, YET. Mark is working on some new features in the future.

If we limited ourselves to datamaster features the new chip wouldn't exist at all.
 
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