New Chip Features (Code59)

[93 TY 2185]

Re: New Chip Features (Code59)

In the Works/Possible Future Features:

• Alky/NOS pump/fuel control - Cut boost if Fuel Pressure is low.
• Fuel Pressure Input into ECM and output into ALDL

These new features that could be coming soon.

Will they use a transducer with a 5 Vdc input 0-5Vdc output = 0-100 psi?

Is there certain unused ECM input selected yet? I would like to add them while I have the ECM out.

 

[skwayb]

Re: New Chip Features (Code59)

Updated features to now list with this note.
V18 NOW INCLUDES ALDL Connection Fix so it is now easier to connect to Code59. The Autoprom will now be able to log and emulate at the same time with V18 or higher.

Dig fixed a problem that was present in $58/$59 so now you can use your Autoprom to log and emulate at the same. It makes connecting to the ecm a lot quicker and easier. It works with all logging programs. You click connect and it connects. There is no long delays. There is a possible patch for $58 coming so the Autoprom mode in Tunerpro will work.

 

[SEL777]

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This is exciting info. I will wait before I spend the money on DM or other tuning programs until this stuff is available. I will be hunting for more info at the NATS.

 

[JSM]

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This is exciting info. I will wait before I spend the money on DM or other tuning programs until this stuff is available. I will be hunting for more info at the NATS.

I can assure you between Dig and myself we will make sure anybody that wants to see the new code running can. We will try to answer as many questions as possible. I should have a few trucks there with the new code you can see, ride in, etc.

It is also possible (not sure how dig feels yet), if you have the tools needed (tunerpro, wb o2, ostrich (or emulator)) we can even hook you up with a chip at the nats on thursday or friday. Kindof be a play it by ear, and judgement call on our part to see if the owner has enough knowledge to be ok with it. If I think you don't I will tell you (don't take it personal, take it as honest advice).

At a minimum you will see some big advances in chip this year at the nats with more to come.

 

[turbodig]

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It is also possible (not sure how dig feels yet), if you have the tools needed (tunerpro, wb o2, ostrich (or emulator)) we can even hook you up with a chip at the nats on thursday or friday.

Please excuse Jeff. He's had too many Wine coolers again.

We'll likely pick on one or two trucks while we're there. It gets a little overwhelming to try to tune multiple vehicles in such a short time span. (From past experience)

Kindof be a play it by ear, and judgement call on our part to see if the owner has enough knowledge to be ok with it. If I think you don't I will tell you (don't take it personal, take it as honest advice).

At a minimum you will see some big advances in chip this year at the nats with more to come.

Personally, I'd recommend for anybody that's seriously interested in learning to burn/tune, come armed with the stuff you'll need:

Your laptop + Scan tool.
A Flash burner (Either moates or something like it, the Willem ones are like $40 on e-bay.)
A wide-band sensor. Most of the popular ones are supported, now.

If you're on the fence about this stuff, and just want to see, that's cool too.
I suspect it'll change a lot of people's minds.

If someone has wide-band setups for sale, you'll probably be able to sell a lot of them.

Later,

 

[JSM]

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Please excuse Jeff. He's had too many Wine coolers again.

We'll likely pick on one or two trucks while we're there. It gets a little overwhelming to try to tune multiple vehicles in such a short time span. (From past experience)



Personally, I'd recommend for anybody that's seriously interested in learning to burn/tune, come armed with the stuff you'll need:

Your laptop + Scan tool.
A Flash burner (Either moates or something like it, the Willem ones are like $40 on e-bay.)
A wide-band sensor. Most of the popular ones are supported, now.

If you're on the fence about this stuff, and just want to see, that's cool too.
I suspect it'll change a lot of people's minds.

If someone has wide-band setups for sale, you'll probably be able to sell a lot of them.

Later,

You don't think we can tune 50+ trucks in 2 days. Come on, they do similar stuff on overhaulin. Keep the wine coolers coming and I will keep tuning. O wait I don't drink. Crap better bring Moutain Dew.

Dig is correct we could probably help a couple trucks. Aside from that will be show and tell of what we have done.

 

[2kwik4u]

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Keep the wine coolers coming and I will keep tuning.

You mean Coors Light?!?!? Thats what you were drinking at Hooters the other night, and then proceeding to jump in Mikes truck and fire up the laptop . OK enough poking a stick at Jeff.

I'll have a spare laptop sitting around if someone needs to do some datalogging while there, or thiers won't work or battery goes dead or whatever......

Also wanted to comment on the "quick connect" feature. It was kind of nice to see it connect super easy, and reliably this weekend. While Jeff was WAY WAY more excited than I was, it is a nice feature. I've seen this chip run on a few different trucks as well, and it seems to be working beautifully thusfar.

I applaude these guys for the work so far. I'm impressed.

 

[JSM]

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You mean Coors Light?!?!? Thats what you were drinking at Hooters the other night, and then proceeding to jump in Mikes truck and fire up the laptop . OK enough poking a stick at Jeff.

Did I not make tuning progress though after wards? It is much more fun to tune with a buzz, lets you try things your normally don't. Still not sure why my friends haven't figured out that all my trucks are broke or I don't touch them, yet they bring trucks to me and say fix it, tune it.

 

[SBNova]

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Tomorrow I plan to load the code $59 into my autoprom and give it a try. I just finished wiring the wide band into my ecm, and I have a question.

When I run the new code, and have my wide band hooked up via F14, does the ecm still need to see the stock narrow band??

Ive got the ecm wired with a plug so I can feed the simulated narrow band into the E14 factory O2 sensor feed just in case.

Thanks

 

[JSM]

Re: New Chip Features (Code59)

Tomorrow I plan to load the code $59 into my autoprom and give it a try. I just finished wiring the wide band into my ecm, and I have a question.

When I run the new code, and have my wide band hooked up via F14, does the ecm still need to see the stock narrow band??

Ive got the ecm wired with a plug so I can feed the simulated narrow band into the E14 factory O2 sensor feed just in case.

Thanks

No, it doesn't need to see it, but it won't hurt to feed it in either.

 

[skwayb]

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When I run the new code, and have my wide band hooked up via F14, does the ecm still need to see the stock narrow band??

I think Jeff misunderstood, $59 still uses the Narrow Band so you still need to have it connected. Otherwise you will get error codes. There are still a lot of things in the code that use the NBo2 sensor.

You could wire the Sim NB into the ECM inplace of the stock wires so you could end up removing it completely and only need to have the WBo2 sensor installed in the DP.

Boy I was smoking something.. Dig and Jeff informed me that you don't even need the NBo2 sensor anymore on the new code. I don't know where that bad trip came from :rotf:

 

[SBNova]

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Well, I guess I am glad I wired it up to have the simulated NB input then. Ive got a 4 prong plug (only using 3) to connect the WB to the ECM, hanging out of my underdash panel. One pin for WB, one for ground, and one sim. NB. So when I hook it up, I just plug it in. I just hope I can reach the stock NB plug to disconnect it under the hood. I remember seeing the plug burried under the upper IC.

When I tune this chip to my truck, and get it where I want it, do I NEED to keep the WB installed?? If I uncheck the box that allows closed loop of wideband, can I then just run open loop? Will I also need to alter the tables to keep everything from going closed loop on the stock NB too?

 

[JSM]

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You are best to disable using the temp for closed loop constant.

You can run without wb once tuned. I think you will find you don't want to.

Paul and I are playing with lean cruise now. I think both of us have already gotten over 20mph out of the trucks so far and we have more to go. It requires full time wb, but at today's gas prices that can pay for itself in 2 tanks. LOL

 

[SBNova]

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Ok so I just ran the new code, and here is a little feedback for everyone.

My test was shortened by a small problem. When I plugged in the 3 bar, it worked fine. Then 3 miles down the road my map readings went haywire, and the truck barely ran. I limped it home and found a mushed pin on the map connector. Not sure how that happened but its fixed now. Unfortunately, that snafu ended my session due to the strong desire to make the truck run right- its my driver.

While the code was running and the 3 bar was cooperating, it seemed to run fine. Paul sent me a starter bin- which I lowered the boost tables to 14.8x psi like stock. I also enabled "WB closed loop" and "use new desired AF ratio".

I started the truck and let it idle for a bit. ALDL connection was made right away, WITH EMULATION !!! Something I have never seen before, with my autoprom!!! My WB AF ratio was displayed right there, which was also new to me as I have never used the patch before on $58.

The tune Paul sent wasnt too far off. ( A little rich- like you said) which was good, better safe than sorry for a drive. Going down the road I saw AF ratios just richer than commanded. I checked the BLMS and they were locked at 128, so I figured it was set to enable at a high temp- which it was- like 151C. I was not sure if I should leave this locked out on the factory NB or not so I didnt mess with it. I made a short blast enabling AE and PE, but didnt really hit much if any boost. The new code seemed to run just fine before the MAP problems started.

My thoughts so far;
The code seems to run and operate very close to stock, even with the rough tune I used. No hiccups in my short drive (before the map prob). I plan to test this more, but I ran out of time today. I would like to tune it further, and see what differences it can really make. I dont know if this code is for me though. My Ty is all stock except for some muffler shop 3" cat back the PO had installed. I dont like the idea of having my WB dedicated to the Ty, to make the most of the code. I would like to get the tune close, then run it open loop and see how it does, without the WB.

I think it has some serious potential in a modified SyTy. Whether I will realize the benefit of it in my stock Ty is yet for me to determine.

Great work guys!!!!

 

[skwayb]

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I think Jeff misunderstood, $59 still uses the Narrow Band so you still need to have it connected. Otherwise you will get error codes. There are still a lot of things in the code that use the NBo2 sensor.

You could wire the Sim NB into the ECM inplace of the stock wires so you could end up removing it completely and only need to have the WBo2 sensor installed in the DP.

Doh my mistake.. Dig and Jeff informed me I was smoking something.. with the new code you don't need the NBo2 sensor anymore. You might have to disable some of the NBo2 Error codes but you can completely disconnect it. Sorry for the bad info.....

 

[ashman]

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question:
for those that don't want buy a WB02 but have access to one for tuning purposes, would you be able get your tune "right" with the WB and then reinstall the NB and continue to use code59?

 

[dgoodhue]

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Doh my mistake.. Dig and Jeff informed me I was smoking something.. with the new code you don't need the NBo2 sensor anymore. You might have to disable some of the NBo2 Error codes but you can completely disconnect it. Sorry for the bad info.....

Good, I was thinking I was going to have to buy a newer WB that has simulate NB output (I have the DIY WBo2).

One question I have notice that you have been mention different emulators, but I have read no mention of the romulator. Is the romulator supported by the $59 code?

 

[SBNova]

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Thanks for the NB info. I left my stock NB in place, and fed the WB into F14, with the ground to B9. I was going to use the factory bung for the WB, and feed the simulated NB into the ECM but it was simpler to just use my tailpipe clamp and only feed the WB into F14.

I didnt get any error codes at all this way while running $59. I would imagine that tuning with a WB, then just leaving your NB in place wouldn't generate codes either.

 

[turbodig]

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Good, I was thinking I was going to have to buy a newer WB that has simulate NB output (I have the DIY WBo2).

One question I have notice that you have been mention different emulators, but I have read no mention of the romulator. Is the romulator supported by the $59 code?

TunerPro still supports this, I believe, although you could load the code into any emulator. The only difference is that the size doubles from 16k to 32k.

That's the emu I have, anyway.

Later,
Dig

 

[turbodig]

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Thanks for the NB info. I left my stock NB in place, and fed the WB into F14, with the ground to B9. I was going to use the factory bung for the WB, and feed the simulated NB into the ECM but it was simpler to just use my tailpipe clamp and only feed the WB into F14.

I didnt get any error codes at all this way while running $59. I would imagine that tuning with a WB, then just leaving your NB in place wouldn't generate codes either.

A word about tailpipe mounted wide-bands...

You can use 'em, you just gotta understand that there's a slight delay in the WB data when you do. It takes a finite time for exhaust gas to travel in the pipe (even at sonic velocities), which means that your WB readings may lag your RPM/MAP data by a 1/2 frame or so.

Also, while you can use them behind a catcon, this will skew data severely... ie, your 12:1 afr is not 12:1.

It's better to mount them as close to the stock o2 location as you can, although I realize that it's not always practical.

This becomes more important when you're using the WB in closed loop mode... it needs to be able to react to engine conditions as quickly as possible in order to be accurate.


Later,