NATS 2011 needs your help!
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Re: NATS 2011 needs your help!
well this topic died in a mere 2 days. Is there this little interest in the event?
To date i've received 0 applicant submissions, 0 emails, a few minor pm's stating they'd help if no one else does...
TJ (phoonty) seems like the most serious interested party...but the general lack of volunteers concerns me for him having the manpower to back him up since all of the committee is fairly easternly located and who knows how many would be able to make the trip.
There is no way i can do it unless we wait another year or 2. So unless everyone wants NATS to be an every 5 years event....someone is going to have to step up.
well this topic died in a mere 2 days. Is there this little interest in the event?
To date i've received 0 applicant submissions, 0 emails, a few minor pm's stating they'd help if no one else does...
TJ (phoonty) seems like the most serious interested party...but the general lack of volunteers concerns me for him having the manpower to back him up since all of the committee is fairly easternly located and who knows how many would be able to make the trip.
There is no way i can do it unless we wait another year or 2. So unless everyone wants NATS to be an every 5 years event....someone is going to have to step up.
TYTILIDIE
METH HEAD
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Quickstop [UK]
Combating adversyty.
Re: NATS 2011 needs your help!
I need a new job.
How about the pot that PhoonTy is talking about becomes my salary and you guys give me a visa
It will be epic.
Simples.
I need a new job.
How about the pot that PhoonTy is talking about becomes my salary and you guys give me a visa
It will be epic.
Simples.
JKsSyclone
Active member
Re: NATS 2011 needs your help!
As far as taking over....there’s no way I could handle that right now. I do want the new SyTyNats chairperson to know that I will volunteer to help out any way I can.
As far as taking over....there’s no way I could handle that right now. I do want the new SyTyNats chairperson to know that I will volunteer to help out any way I can.
QWERTYphoon
Motley Driver Award 2009
Re: NATS 2011 needs your help!
I can help anyway I can, I have only been around for a few years, but I have attended the last three NATS. Any thing I can do, just let me know.
I can help anyway I can, I have only been around for a few years, but I have attended the last three NATS. Any thing I can do, just let me know.
NOJIMMY
New member
Re: NATS 2011 needs your help!
My feelings about the SyTy Nationals is one of declining sadness...
-having witness yearly reduced participation/attendance of members (cruises, show-n-shine, racing, caravans)
-having seen reduced yearly vendor attendance/booths with products (national companies like GM and others)
-having reduced sponsored race only vehicles (Mcoy, Howie, Bully, and other 10sec trucks)
-having seen reduced advertising (GMHTP, DVD/Recording, magazine/TV awareness )
-and less family oriented events many since adopted by the homecoming committee
(big wheel racing, ladies nite, children's events, sporting events, co-op parts repair, etc).
While the reasons may be many (in fighting, US location, member convenience, economy/$$$)
the SyTy nationals have not always capitalized on its opportunities. Examples:
-partnering with larger events (such as cruises, or car show events) to promote attendance
-fostering "healthy" racing competition (between similar Ford or Chrysler Trucks) to pay for track fees
-landing major dealership/sponsors with racing garage heritage for expanded coverage/benefits
-date selection (late enough to have cooler weather, but earlier than school commitments)
-encouraging attendance of old vendor relationships (treated badly by past threads/feelings)
-and/or enforcing disciplinary action for bad behavior (which draws restaurant, hotel, or police action).
Maybe seeing the value of these vehicle plummet from $30K to $10K; or see them age
non-gracefully (with cobbled parts swaps, or non-maintenance), or witnessing
confrontational arguments (simply displaying bad manners and/or bad advice by the same people), plus the
diminished participation by more experienced original members have caused this effect.
While Dave P makes a valid argument about the "need" for a SyTy Nationals Event, I believe
a lot of the baggage of past years prevents expanding the offering to make it truly noteworthy.
If folks on this site think that "its the people" and not the "vehicles" that make or break a SyTy National,
then renting a banquet hall anywhere with a food service should suffice. But make it Florida or Cancun
where theres a beach and lots of booze. Otherwise, it seems the regional groups are left to pick up
the void.
...now, back to the sidelines
Larry
My feelings about the SyTy Nationals is one of declining sadness...
-having witness yearly reduced participation/attendance of members (cruises, show-n-shine, racing, caravans)
-having seen reduced yearly vendor attendance/booths with products (national companies like GM and others)
-having reduced sponsored race only vehicles (Mcoy, Howie, Bully, and other 10sec trucks)
-having seen reduced advertising (GMHTP, DVD/Recording, magazine/TV awareness )
-and less family oriented events many since adopted by the homecoming committee
(big wheel racing, ladies nite, children's events, sporting events, co-op parts repair, etc).
While the reasons may be many (in fighting, US location, member convenience, economy/$$$)
the SyTy nationals have not always capitalized on its opportunities. Examples:
-partnering with larger events (such as cruises, or car show events) to promote attendance
-fostering "healthy" racing competition (between similar Ford or Chrysler Trucks) to pay for track fees
-landing major dealership/sponsors with racing garage heritage for expanded coverage/benefits
-date selection (late enough to have cooler weather, but earlier than school commitments)
-encouraging attendance of old vendor relationships (treated badly by past threads/feelings)
-and/or enforcing disciplinary action for bad behavior (which draws restaurant, hotel, or police action).
Maybe seeing the value of these vehicle plummet from $30K to $10K; or see them age
non-gracefully (with cobbled parts swaps, or non-maintenance), or witnessing
confrontational arguments (simply displaying bad manners and/or bad advice by the same people), plus the
diminished participation by more experienced original members have caused this effect.
While Dave P makes a valid argument about the "need" for a SyTy Nationals Event, I believe
a lot of the baggage of past years prevents expanding the offering to make it truly noteworthy.
If folks on this site think that "its the people" and not the "vehicles" that make or break a SyTy National,
then renting a banquet hall anywhere with a food service should suffice. But make it Florida or Cancun
where theres a beach and lots of booze. Otherwise, it seems the regional groups are left to pick up
the void.
...now, back to the sidelines
Larry
turbodig
Active member
Re: NATS 2011 needs your help!
To some extent, I agree and disagree all at the same time. The "measurement" of the event sucess has generally been # of trucks attending, or memorable trucks attending.
As for me, though, I haven't seen much the last few years that's new or unusual on a truck; I've been to enough of these that I've seen most of the guys run one time or another. I much prefer the between-racing interactions, or the late night conversations, or all the other stuff that goes on. Seeing friends that I don't get to see but once in every couple of years.
Yes, this could be done without trucks, but somehow, it's just not the same. While I have to say it's more fun to attend without a truck (it's way less stressful), that would make for a sucky event.
We've been very lucky to have individuals step up to organize things in past years; most people here don't know how much work goes into these things. Hopefully, we can get a gang together once again to make it happen.
To some extent, I agree and disagree all at the same time. The "measurement" of the event sucess has generally been # of trucks attending, or memorable trucks attending.
As for me, though, I haven't seen much the last few years that's new or unusual on a truck; I've been to enough of these that I've seen most of the guys run one time or another. I much prefer the between-racing interactions, or the late night conversations, or all the other stuff that goes on. Seeing friends that I don't get to see but once in every couple of years.
Yes, this could be done without trucks, but somehow, it's just not the same. While I have to say it's more fun to attend without a truck (it's way less stressful), that would make for a sucky event.
We've been very lucky to have individuals step up to organize things in past years; most people here don't know how much work goes into these things. Hopefully, we can get a gang together once again to make it happen.
Quickstop [UK]
Combating adversyty.
Re: NATS 2011 needs your help!
I think NATS bashing isn't really the point here - we need someone to steer it, be the chairperson and then the suggestions should be directed at them, possibly in private.
All this dirty laundry doesn't need to be aired imo. Valid points maybe but not necessarily for public consumption.
I think NATS bashing isn't really the point here - we need someone to steer it, be the chairperson and then the suggestions should be directed at them, possibly in private.
All this dirty laundry doesn't need to be aired imo. Valid points maybe but not necessarily for public consumption.
Peter
my Ty and me 25+ years
Re: NATS 2011 needs your help!
Personnaly, I agree with everthing Dig said. Every Nats I've been to, and I think it's all but the first one or two, have been wonderful. Every single Nats taught me multiple new and useful things for my Ty.
Count me in to help next year. I'll be travelling overseas a lot, so it is not a good year to try to take the lead. That's not much excuse, compared to the full load Renz has right now, but that's my story....
The committee last year did a really, really good job. New location, the Corvette Museum, good track, autocross, really good awards ceremony and door prizes.
I wouldn't mind just doing the same thing again.
There are a few people that everyone knows, faithful members of the community, that would be a blessing to have lead the next Nats again. Maybe we can open the nominations. I put forth Jim Sloan and/or the Klinger family. Seriously.
Personnaly, I agree with everthing Dig said. Every Nats I've been to, and I think it's all but the first one or two, have been wonderful. Every single Nats taught me multiple new and useful things for my Ty.
Count me in to help next year. I'll be travelling overseas a lot, so it is not a good year to try to take the lead. That's not much excuse, compared to the full load Renz has right now, but that's my story....
The committee last year did a really, really good job. New location, the Corvette Museum, good track, autocross, really good awards ceremony and door prizes.
I wouldn't mind just doing the same thing again.
There are a few people that everyone knows, faithful members of the community, that would be a blessing to have lead the next Nats again. Maybe we can open the nominations. I put forth Jim Sloan and/or the Klinger family. Seriously.
Re: NATS 2011 needs your help!
Renz was very descriptive on how much of a responsibility being the "chairperson" would be and most know how much effort he put into Nats 11. I know I personally took alot of his time with the helmet thing and I bet that was a "small potato" compared to what else he had going on.
There was a large turnout at Nats 11 and I believe that most East coast peeps would not travel to the west coast. I never counted the owners that live to the West that would easily attend a western event (simply due to it being close) and never really looked at how many western peeps come to the East (besides DaveP).
Will all that being said, I wouldn't mind (not that my opinion means dic* around here) a repeat of Nats 11. Same place, same setup and backups (warehouse if it rains - ((Renz thinks of everything). Someone should be able to pull that one off if Renz hands over his notes (even if he charged a fee).
Seems that having a western event at this time would be a challenge and total attendance numbers are unknown. I know the "board" wanted a "moving around the country" Nats so all may experience, but at this time, it doesn't look good.
Again, imho.
p.s. Maybe Renz can figure out how to clone himself and pull it off. He needs to call Michael Keaton.
Renz was very descriptive on how much of a responsibility being the "chairperson" would be and most know how much effort he put into Nats 11. I know I personally took alot of his time with the helmet thing and I bet that was a "small potato" compared to what else he had going on.
There was a large turnout at Nats 11 and I believe that most East coast peeps would not travel to the west coast. I never counted the owners that live to the West that would easily attend a western event (simply due to it being close) and never really looked at how many western peeps come to the East (besides DaveP).
Will all that being said, I wouldn't mind (not that my opinion means dic* around here) a repeat of Nats 11. Same place, same setup and backups (warehouse if it rains - ((Renz thinks of everything). Someone should be able to pull that one off if Renz hands over his notes (even if he charged a fee).
Seems that having a western event at this time would be a challenge and total attendance numbers are unknown. I know the "board" wanted a "moving around the country" Nats so all may experience, but at this time, it doesn't look good.
Again, imho.
p.s. Maybe Renz can figure out how to clone himself and pull it off. He needs to call Michael Keaton.
Re: NATS 2011 needs your help!
Larry, did you come to NATS 11? I don't seem to recall seeing you and Claire there?? I remember you winning free registration to it at the 2nd Homecoming, but i can't remember if you made it to NATS or not....
umm...were you at NATS 11? It had that biggest turnout of people since 2002 i believe.
I personally went after every single vendor. I sent emails & pm's. Most replied, not all that said "yea, we'll contribute" followed through. There is only so much you can do aside from beg and plead to get vendors on board. That said, were you at NATS 11? There was a HUGE amount of freebie's, handout's, door prizes, raffle items. A lot of vendors DID come through. No, there weren't many vendor booth's...but some vendors were represented.
JHacking had his 9sec sy there trying to dial it in, Gerber was doing test runs in his 8sec capable ty, Mark ran some 10s in his sy, Jeremy made some passes in his racing barbie car in the 9s i think, there were three v8 trucks there (1 was really slow - mine).
I personally communicated with all the big hitter trucks trying to get them to come out and play. For reasons that everyone knows since the topic has been beat to death...you'll never get them all out at once - logistics just don't make that possible. Plus for the true racers....we had what 120 degree track temps - not exactly best pass weather. But the guys that were there wanted to do their best passes for those conditions and didn't so much care about it being too hot for best possible slips.
are we doing NATS for our own benefits or becuase we want to see a picture/article in a magazine. Yes, its neat to be in a magazine....but our trucks don't get their 15seconds very often becuase we're the only ones that really care about them. Yes i probably could have gotten us into GMHTP but quite frankly i literally took 4 pictures at the event. And after a hellacious trip home the last thing i wanted to do was even think about syty. So i never got around to writing the article to attempt to get it into gmhtp. Yes....we have to write our own articles to get them into print. Aside from GMHTP sending out one of their people the one time in 2006.
Were you at NATS 11? Special Ladies shirts, a bunch of kids activities including big wheels on the drag strip (which melted :lol: ) water balloons, scooter races.... We had a catered cookout, private group rental of the corvette museum (with our own trucks inside the museum, and complete takeover of their parking lot / roundabout). Went to a buffet restuarant as a group...we were really a large group the entire time and didn't break apart or get sick of each other the entire weekend.
I'm confused as to what family oriented events have been adopted by the homecoming committee that have disappeared from NATS? none. I think some people event went go kart racing but i'm not sure. The event was pretty busy and no one really had much energy left after to go driving around on their own. For the most part everyone stayed together as a group. Hell, i had problems with my truck and there was a swarm of wrenchers around it fixing it for me.
this had been beat to death....we don't care about other cars. We're there for SyTy. If we want to see camaros, hondas, srt's....go to your local event. We want people that care about SyTy to be there....i know i don't feel like explaining to random strangers what makes a syty a syty.
its been considered...and NATS 11 did open up its doors to some local racers to help pay for track fees...but they bailed on it.
maybe if we were a corvette or camaro group...or had vehicles that anyone gave a shit about. A couple of beat up blazers with body kits don't get that kind of love. You don't just land these kind of deals on a handshake and a nice smile. You need backing, financial or other. They need to get something in return...which they wouldn't from our group of vehicles.
there is no such thing as late enough for cooler weather but earlier than school commitments. It's hot when school starts. I had a poll with some date options...and the one that we were going to go with just happened to win the poll. (yes you read that right) I purposely chose a late in the summer date, pre school but late to allow mods/fixes to be done to trucks. Away from holidays. I knew it'd be hot, but i wanted to prove a point with attendance. And it worked in my opinion.
i did this. they didn't show up. I promised to personally make sure nothing bad would happen to them. they didn't show. nothing else i could do.
were you at NATS 11? this occurred. Late night in the parking lot the first or second night me and gerber rounded up all the troops after the hotel complained...had a very serious talk for 5-10minutes...and then went on our merry way and had a good time. I happened to be talking with gerber whenever the hotel came to complain about noise or something...so he helped me out with it. It was unfortunate that it had to be done, but didn't really hinder any fun, didn't take long...we made our point...and everyone acted properly from then on. No real harm. But, we didn't let things get out of hand, and responded promptly to anything bad occurring.
When we got to the corvette museum someone *cough adam cough* was driving around the circle faster than the museum appreciated and the museum reps came running to me saying someone was doing burnouts in the parking lot. I laughed saying that we can't do that...went to the museum office to sit down with the managers, we walked around to find the co-owner or someone high up who had witnessed it...and it turned out he was just driving fast and his wheels screeched, not a burnout. Anyway, i apologized to them on the spot and told them i'd take care of it immediately...i went and slapped adams hand and then made an announcement to the group. Again...not letting things escalate. Its just people having fun, not really thinking about what they may be affecting....and goofing off. No one did anything real bad....but i attribute that to 2 things: taking care of it immediately, and not being bored throughout the entire weekend. Boredom is primarily what causes bad things to happen.
Were you at NATS 11? quite a few OG members were there. No confrontational arguments occurred.
Larry, did you come to NATS 11? I don't seem to recall seeing you and Claire there?? I remember you winning free registration to it at the 2nd Homecoming, but i can't remember if you made it to NATS or not....
umm...were you at NATS 11? It had that biggest turnout of people since 2002 i believe.
I personally went after every single vendor. I sent emails & pm's. Most replied, not all that said "yea, we'll contribute" followed through. There is only so much you can do aside from beg and plead to get vendors on board. That said, were you at NATS 11? There was a HUGE amount of freebie's, handout's, door prizes, raffle items. A lot of vendors DID come through. No, there weren't many vendor booth's...but some vendors were represented.
JHacking had his 9sec sy there trying to dial it in, Gerber was doing test runs in his 8sec capable ty, Mark ran some 10s in his sy, Jeremy made some passes in his racing barbie car in the 9s i think, there were three v8 trucks there (1 was really slow - mine).
I personally communicated with all the big hitter trucks trying to get them to come out and play. For reasons that everyone knows since the topic has been beat to death...you'll never get them all out at once - logistics just don't make that possible. Plus for the true racers....we had what 120 degree track temps - not exactly best pass weather. But the guys that were there wanted to do their best passes for those conditions and didn't so much care about it being too hot for best possible slips.
are we doing NATS for our own benefits or becuase we want to see a picture/article in a magazine. Yes, its neat to be in a magazine....but our trucks don't get their 15seconds very often becuase we're the only ones that really care about them. Yes i probably could have gotten us into GMHTP but quite frankly i literally took 4 pictures at the event. And after a hellacious trip home the last thing i wanted to do was even think about syty. So i never got around to writing the article to attempt to get it into gmhtp. Yes....we have to write our own articles to get them into print. Aside from GMHTP sending out one of their people the one time in 2006.
Were you at NATS 11? Special Ladies shirts, a bunch of kids activities including big wheels on the drag strip (which melted :lol: ) water balloons, scooter races.... We had a catered cookout, private group rental of the corvette museum (with our own trucks inside the museum, and complete takeover of their parking lot / roundabout). Went to a buffet restuarant as a group...we were really a large group the entire time and didn't break apart or get sick of each other the entire weekend.
I'm confused as to what family oriented events have been adopted by the homecoming committee that have disappeared from NATS? none. I think some people event went go kart racing but i'm not sure. The event was pretty busy and no one really had much energy left after to go driving around on their own. For the most part everyone stayed together as a group. Hell, i had problems with my truck and there was a swarm of wrenchers around it fixing it for me.
this had been beat to death....we don't care about other cars. We're there for SyTy. If we want to see camaros, hondas, srt's....go to your local event. We want people that care about SyTy to be there....i know i don't feel like explaining to random strangers what makes a syty a syty.
its been considered...and NATS 11 did open up its doors to some local racers to help pay for track fees...but they bailed on it.
maybe if we were a corvette or camaro group...or had vehicles that anyone gave a shit about. A couple of beat up blazers with body kits don't get that kind of love. You don't just land these kind of deals on a handshake and a nice smile. You need backing, financial or other. They need to get something in return...which they wouldn't from our group of vehicles.
there is no such thing as late enough for cooler weather but earlier than school commitments. It's hot when school starts. I had a poll with some date options...and the one that we were going to go with just happened to win the poll. (yes you read that right) I purposely chose a late in the summer date, pre school but late to allow mods/fixes to be done to trucks. Away from holidays. I knew it'd be hot, but i wanted to prove a point with attendance. And it worked in my opinion.
i did this. they didn't show up. I promised to personally make sure nothing bad would happen to them. they didn't show. nothing else i could do.
were you at NATS 11? this occurred. Late night in the parking lot the first or second night me and gerber rounded up all the troops after the hotel complained...had a very serious talk for 5-10minutes...and then went on our merry way and had a good time. I happened to be talking with gerber whenever the hotel came to complain about noise or something...so he helped me out with it. It was unfortunate that it had to be done, but didn't really hinder any fun, didn't take long...we made our point...and everyone acted properly from then on. No real harm. But, we didn't let things get out of hand, and responded promptly to anything bad occurring.
When we got to the corvette museum someone *cough adam cough* was driving around the circle faster than the museum appreciated and the museum reps came running to me saying someone was doing burnouts in the parking lot. I laughed saying that we can't do that...went to the museum office to sit down with the managers, we walked around to find the co-owner or someone high up who had witnessed it...and it turned out he was just driving fast and his wheels screeched, not a burnout. Anyway, i apologized to them on the spot and told them i'd take care of it immediately...i went and slapped adams hand and then made an announcement to the group. Again...not letting things escalate. Its just people having fun, not really thinking about what they may be affecting....and goofing off. No one did anything real bad....but i attribute that to 2 things: taking care of it immediately, and not being bored throughout the entire weekend. Boredom is primarily what causes bad things to happen.
Were you at NATS 11? quite a few OG members were there. No confrontational arguments occurred.
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I think what NATS 11 proved was that a successful drama free event IS POSSIBLE. My whole goal with NATS 11 was to heighten attendance and make NATS turn back into what it should be. Maybe lay the groundwork for future NATS to base itself on. I didn't receive a single complaint from an owner, didn't see any upset faces, didn't see any bickering, no drama....nothing but people enjoying themselves and the event.
quite frankly, i think almost your entire post is based on previous events that may have left a sour taste in your mouth. But when i hear "that was the best nats i've ever been to" or "great event" or other positive comments from many people.....and people wanting a NATS 11 redo....i'm pretty sure that speaks for itself for how the event went. Lets leave KC behind us and rebuild as a group - which was my intention all along and why i wanted to be chairperson to begin with. I was sure i could figure out a way to rebuild that comradery among us...and am pretty sure the we as a committee pulled that off. Go read the threads in the NATS 11 forum and see what attendees had to say about it. Everyone had a LOT more to say than events past.
I think what NATS 11 proved was that a successful drama free event IS POSSIBLE. My whole goal with NATS 11 was to heighten attendance and make NATS turn back into what it should be. Maybe lay the groundwork for future NATS to base itself on. I didn't receive a single complaint from an owner, didn't see any upset faces, didn't see any bickering, no drama....nothing but people enjoying themselves and the event.
quite frankly, i think almost your entire post is based on previous events that may have left a sour taste in your mouth. But when i hear "that was the best nats i've ever been to" or "great event" or other positive comments from many people.....and people wanting a NATS 11 redo....i'm pretty sure that speaks for itself for how the event went. Lets leave KC behind us and rebuild as a group - which was my intention all along and why i wanted to be chairperson to begin with. I was sure i could figure out a way to rebuild that comradery among us...and am pretty sure the we as a committee pulled that off. Go read the threads in the NATS 11 forum and see what attendees had to say about it. Everyone had a LOT more to say than events past.
JKsSyclone
Active member
Re: NATS 2011 needs your help!
:stupid:
Jenna (our contact at the Marriott) emailed me and wanted to know when we were coming back.
:stupid:
Jenna (our contact at the Marriott) emailed me and wanted to know when we were coming back.