MSD failure, suggestions on alternatives

lightspeed240

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My new MSD digital 6 ceased to function after only having it on the truck for probably 1500 miles. At this point, I am totally fed-up with MSD. Ive heard of several people having recurring issues with other MSD ignitions on syclones/tyhpoons, including the digital 7 and 7a's. The 6a on my 240 died after a fairly short time, and some of my other mustang friends tend to consider them "disposable" items.
Enough about that, but Im looking for feedback on either the crane hi-6s or the accell 300+ setups. Id prefer to go with the plug-and-play harness, which I had with my MSD digital 6 and MSD coil setup. I did notice a definate improvement with the MSD setup, although I have to admit that Im running the stock ingition with just the MSD coil now, and its an imporovement over the stock coil.
A little about my setup... I recently went from a pt60 to a pt67 setup. With the pt60 and pure stock ignition/coil, I could only run about 21 psi with alky before flame-out (around .030 gap.). With the MSD digital 6 and MSD coil, I never exceeded the ignition capability (26 psi with alky/93 octane.) With the pt67 and stock ignition, with just the MSD coil, I can run 25 psi on alky/93 octane, which is all I want to run with this setup. The issue comes in with 50/50 114/93 octane mix and alky (less alky though.) I can now only run about 21 psi without flameout. I will say that the truck runs better on 50/50 racegas and alky at 21 psi than it did with 93 octane and alky at 25 psi. BTW, the truck runs somewhat conservative timing, and is tuned to 0-1 degree retard at 25 psi and alky on 93 octane, at 11.3-11.4 AFR. The power improvement seems to come from the fact I can run less alky, which is leaning it out a little and letting it run more timing at that leaner AFR before detonation.
I would like to add that I dont want to undergap my plugs any more than I have to. Ive had bad drivability with that in the past, so I only plan to reduce the gap further if I cant get an ignition to handle it fully at this gap.
Anyway, suggestions are appreciated.
 

QUICK STORM

B.A.M.F. BMW Tech
Re: MSD failure, suggestions on alternatives

off the subject, but how does that turbo spool with the 2800 stall?

i let you have mine from eric and got it a week later thanks
 

MRKING

New Parts for Old Trucks
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My digital 6 is also out for repair after smoking up on me after installation .I used the msd interface cable and the power/ground wires cant be confused but it burned up anyway . I disconnected it, and now my truck turns over , gets fuel but doesnt start up ?

Just ship yours back to msd and $76 is the most it will be if a repair bill is issued/ if not under warrentee . They will return it c.o.d. if you like , and you just need a rma # to send it back .
 

MRKING

New Parts for Old Trucks
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lightspeed240 said:
BTW, did you call them? What excuse did they give for not refunding you money fully? That sounds like BS to me. They should have fixed it for free, and paid shipping.
I bought it used and the original owner said it was at least 2 years old . I had it for 4-5 months before using it and all I can do now is hope they fix it . I am Mecp certified and I know I didnt install it wrong , but the previous assured me it was functional when sold . Oh well . I cant cry over spilt milk now , but hearing that smoking is a common problem doesnt make me feel good.
 

lightspeed240

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QUICK STORM said:
off the subject, but how does that turbo spool with the 2800 stall?
Yup, I remember, I appreciate it. It worked out mutually beneficially I think ;)
It spools very well...actually better than I expected. It doesnt start coming up on boost as quickly as the pt60, but once it starts to come up, it spools from 10-26 psi amazingly quickly. As a matter of fact, it made the alky hard to tune because the boost came up so quickly that the alky wasnt bringing down the IAT fast enough. I had to adjust the turn-on point way down to correct it.
The power increase was more than worth it, though. The truck feels as strong at 21 psi on pump/alky now as it did at 26 PSI before.
I wouldnt want any more stall than this I dont think. I think that any more stall and it would flash up too high on the launch and make it difficult to control. I can make as much boost as I want to against the brakes. I definately think this turbo rocks.
One note...its loud as hell. It sounds like a big diesel turbo. Ive heard other gt-series garret turbos that sound like this...maybe its the compressor design. My friends call it "the jet" now.

MRKING said:
My digital 6 is also out for repair after smoking up on me after installation .I used the msd interface cable and the power/ground wires cant be confused but it burned up anyway . I disconnected it, and now my truck turns over , gets fuel but doesnt start up ?
Just ship yours back to msd and $76 is the most it will be if a repair bill is issued/ if not under warrentee . They will return it c.o.d. if you like , and you just need a rma # to send it back .
Wow, that amazing. Thats the 3rd one ive head of that smoked out of the box...literally smoke coming out of it. What is going on with these things? How can MSD stay in business like this? The operating voltage range is supposed to be like 8-16. I will probably send it back, but not before I call them and try to get my money refunded fully. I also bought the factory-replacement harness, so there is no way you can mis-wire it. Ive never heard of these issues with other brands. My tec3 ignition systems in my 240 has been running perfectly for years. Im so pissed that I will probably just sell it when I get it back. The only reason that I will get another MSD is if the hi-6s doesnt have the plug-and-play harness. Im having a hard time telling from Cranes website. It looks like the hi-6 has a harness, but not the hi-6s. Ill have to call them and find out. The hi-6s, supposedly has more energy capability per cycle than the MSD.
BTW, did you call them? What excuse did they give for not refunding you money fully? That sounds like BS to me. They should have fixed it for free, and paid shipping.
 

lightspeed240

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Re: MSD failure, suggestions on alternatives

MRKING said:
I bought it used and the original owner said it was at least 2 years old . I had it for 4-5 months before using it and all I can do now is hope they fix it . I am Mecp certified and I know I didnt install it wrong , but the previous assured me it was functional when sold . Oh well . I cant cry over spilt milk now , but hearing that smoking is a common problem doesnt make me feel good.
Sorry to hear that, ill let you know if I get anywhere with them refunding my money fully. The warrany says they will fix it if I pay shipping, but Im going for either full refund, or at least they pay shipping too, if they wont refund my money. The store I bought it from wont refund my money, but Ill go back to them and try again if MSD wont.
 

QUICK STORM

B.A.M.F. BMW Tech
Re: MSD failure, suggestions on alternatives

i like loud turbos, ohhh i can't wait to get my motor back, thanks lightspeed
 

blk97ta

Member
Re: MSD failure, suggestions on alternatives

i've had 2 msd's go bad on me 1 was a 6a sent it back and they fixed it for free (i paid shipping) and a 6al was in the ta and just quit on it's own still under warranty they fixed it no charge as well ! but the digital 6 i bought from my buddy that was having issues with it i sent back and they said it was unrepairable (due to the fact the pour epoxy in the metal case to hold the components from rattling around ) so i guess they get 2 :tup: and 1 :tdown:
 

SacDoug

Member
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My mistake. I should have reread it instead of assuming it was good for all platforms.
 

QUICK STORM

B.A.M.F. BMW Tech
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Black Knight said:
Man your on fire today!! :rotf: :rotf:

i know, this is what happens on my days off, gotta be like 15posts today.:tup:

EDIT: its over 20 today:rotf:
 

qbnkiller

Conflaguration Specialist
Re: MSD failure, suggestions on alternatives

I also have to remove my Digital6....not even 100 miles and its toast! I am also interested in alternatives to (M)ighty (S)hitty (D)esign components!
 
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Well i recently bought a slitghly used Digiitial 6 box off ebay, and had it on the truck and it was working fine, then my stock distributor went out and i installed the MSD Pro Billet drop in replacement and they say to cut the green wire when using there distributor, as it some magnetic pick up compensation or something, well i cut it and now with it hooked up it wont start, go back to just the MSD coil and boom she starts. Im kinda upset right now about it also.
 

Try Me

New member
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ive got a accell 300+ box and coil and couldnt be happier. made big difference in truck, was "plug n play" and was not very expensive. smaller box than msd too, and the accells dont blow up all the time like the msds. also put one on my dads impala ss 1994 and it made a nice difference on that car too.
 

lightspeed240

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Thanks for all the input guys. It really amazes me what junk most of these MSD's seem to be. Im going to look strongly into the accell and the crane before buying another MSD. We'll see what they say when I call them. I dont think I should even have to pay shipping honestly.

Try Me said:
ive got a accell 300+ box and coil and couldnt be happier. made big difference in truck, was "plug n play" and was not very expensive. smaller box than msd too, and the accells dont blow up all the time like the msds. also put one on my dads impala ss 1994 and it made a nice difference on that car too.
So you have the 300+? Are you running it on the truck with the t76? How much boost do you run? Do you run alky and/or race gas?
Do you know the part #'s on the pieces you have? I couldnt tell exactly which one to get from their website. You have the plug an play harness and it required no cutting/splicing?
The accell actually seemed to have the highest energy per cycle of all of them, but I dont think it multi-spark.
 

Try Me

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Yea the 300+ is on their with the 76. i usually dont turn the boost up much past 15 running around town. i run 93 octane all the time. no alky or anything yet. I could look up the part numbers later, but it did pretty much plug right in. if i remember correctly you only have to do a ground and a good 12 volt source thats hot on ignition and on crank. I also seem to think that the accel was multispark on a broader rpm range than the msd or crane unit, but i could be wrong there. I will be selling my accel box and coil soon since im going to be running a totally different setup on this next motor...
 
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