Lower intake swap / Vortec head & cam install on stock bottom end

Tooky

Serious about performance
Re: Lower intake swap / Vortec head & cam install on stock bottom end

James Thomas said:
Hey Tooky, what brand and color of gray is that?
Hey James, I was secretly hoping someone would ask. :lol: I'm realIy giving out all my "tricks" in this thread, eh? I picked up this Duplicolor "500*F Ceramic Engine Enamel" at AutoZone for $4.99 and it's worked out great!! It's specifically made for engine blocks and intake manifolds, etc. My hope is that it adheres and looks good, and doesn't "yellow" after the engine is heat cycled.

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Yeah I know what you're thinking, "What's with the "new Ford gray"?" :D

Advice on this paint - since it's an enamel, you only have a 1 hour window to add additional coats (10 minutes between coats minimum). After you miss the 1 hour window, you have to wait 5 days before you can add another coat or the paint will lift. I ran out of paint on the brackets and had to wait 5 days before I could add the rest of the paint, so if you copy my steps exactly, I would buy 2 cans right away for anything significant you're painting.
 
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Tooky

Serious about performance
Ported Lower Intake Manifold

Ported Lower Intake Manifold

Checking Intake Manifold
Darrin Pape, who used to have a sweet fully stock appearing high 11 second Typhoon, pointed me towards this engine building basics book called "How to Build the Smallblock Chevrolet (Workbench Book) by Larry Atherton and Larry Schreib (Paperback - Oct 1993)". It's a really great book, and in the pre-assembly checking chapter, it recommends bolting the intake with a gasket to one head, and tightening the bolts so the intake "floats" over the other (gasketless) head. This way you can check that the surfaces are true and parallel. Ever since I was planning out this project in my head, I was nervous about this measurement. Servando said I might have to watch out for the angle being different and compressing the gasket crooked in some cases. Here's what mine looked like:

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Looks really good!! The gap is even all the way down both sides. The book also recommends a china wall to intake rail clearance of .060-.120". Mine measures .092", right on the money.

Ported Lower Intake Manifold
I spent a total of about 7 hours in the last 2 days porting the lower intake manifold. I probably spent 3 hours on the first port alone, just carefully learning the shape of the port. Once I started duplicating them, I learned how to cut a lot faster with a different burr and more RPM. I now have all 6 ports roughed out to where I want them. I don't have any way to check the thickness beyond the injector bung (the thinnest point) so I'm trying not to push it too far.

Here's a split 50% done port, the left is untouched, the right has the majority of the material removed, so you can see what I'm changing exactly.

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Here the manifold is after I finished all 6 ports rough cut.

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And there's me, all proud of my work. :rotf: In this picture you can see the outline of Erue's "airfoil" idea I'm trying to reproduce. It will be a lot more of a compromise since I'm not able to weld extra material above the injector bung, but hopefully I can still divert the air somewhat over to the sides. I also measured the Vortec intake port width and the stock intake port widths. Instead of widening them both to the 1203 gasket, I am going to straighten the Vortec port but with the minimum width necessary. That way I won't be opening the stock intake port width at all, just the height. I think that will improve the velocity of the airflow, but what the hell do I know? :lol:

It's pretty safe to say Nationals 2007 is out of the question for this truck, once I got up to speed on the porting, I started seeing all the areas on my exhaust manifolds and cylinder heads that could use some porting too, and I'd rather just do it all in one shot instead of trying to rush and get it together only to re-port it again "someday". I'm trying to work up the confidence to smooth the Vortec valve guide bosses, but nervous about the bit potentially chattering and ruining the valve seats with 1 mistake. :roll: :oops:
 

It's just a six

Super Member
Re: Lower intake swap / Vortec head & cam install on stock bottom end

Next to the injector bosses (on the sides),you need to be carefull when trying to raise the ports(the roof),it gets thin pretty quick.
Are you spraying a lube like WD-40,or LPS on your carbide or the ports so it does not clog up?
Just takes practice @ patience.
Good luck!
 

Tooky

Serious about performance
Re: Lower intake swap / Vortec head & cam install on stock bottom end

It's just a six said:
Next to the injector bosses (on the sides),you need to be carefull when trying to raise the ports(the roof),it gets thin pretty quick.
Are you spraying a lube like WD-40,or LPS on your carbide or the ports so it does not clog up?
Just takes practice @ patience.
Good luck!
Looking at my 2nd last photo, you can see where the porting ends (where the shiny part stops). In the photo it looks like a shadow but it's also as far in as I went. I felt that was the point where it gets really thin. Is that the area you meant?

I picked up a 3rd carbide burr yesterday, a smaller non-doublecut pointy burr. I try to spray them with lubricant every time I check a port to keep them from clogging. Seems to work pretty well but I have had some serious chattering at the higher RPM, at specific areas of the ports. What does that indicate?
 

It's just a six

Super Member
Re: Lower intake swap / Vortec head & cam install on stock bottom end

I port my own stuff, so I did not get one of those industrial grinders, I bought a Makita variable speed grinder,it spins slow enough as not to get much chatter.I really like it, way better than an air grinder or a fixed speed electric grinder that spins ,like 24,000 rpm.

Yeh, the parts that gets thin are on each side of the injector boss.
For taking away alot of material fast ,there are carbides with wide cutters, double cuts are for smoother less agressive cuts.

Chattering can be from a few things,speed too high,carbide barely fits between where you are grinding.,Carbide clogging up, not holding tool tight,helps if you can support your arms or hands on the bench or a sturdy part on the bench, sometimes when you are sitting down at a bench & support your arms/hands on your legs & so on.

The speed is your biggest enemy,if you get a slower turning grinder it will greatly reduce your chatter.
If you have an electric fixed RPM grinder ,look into those variable speed controllers for a wood router, just a thought.
 

Tooky

Serious about performance
Re: Lower intake swap / Vortec head & cam install on stock bottom end

I got the $40 Harbor Freight long nose electric die grinder along with the $20 "router speed control" variable dial and that's what I've been using. The highest I've used it is the middle of the "Medium" speed. Most of my time I have it somewhere in the "Low" range.

It's just a six said:
Chattering can be from a few things,speed too high,carbide barely fits between where you are grinding.,Carbide clogging up[...]

The speed is your biggest enemy,if you get a slower turning grinder it will greatly reduce your chatter.
Ahh, makes sense. I turned up the speed to try and cut the material faster but maybe I needed to scale back to reduce the chattering. I was also sinking the bit into the metal and getting it caught "barely fitting between" what I'm grinding like you said. Thanks for the tips.
 

Tooky

Serious about performance
Fixed double roller timing chain interference

Fixed double roller timing chain interference

OK I just got back from the garage. The block cut like butter! It didnt even squeal, must be some soft metal. After I got it all taped up/protected, the actual cut took about 15 seconds altogether. Here's what I ground off the block:

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Here's how it fits now. Plenty of clearance!!

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Now it turns smoothly. :thumbsup: I'll update the Engine Tech thread on this topic.
 

James Thomas

"NO CLASS"
Re: Lower intake swap / Vortec head & cam install on stock bottom end

Yeah I know what you're thinking, "What's with the "new Ford gray"?" :D

Advice on this paint - since it's an enamel, you only have a 1 hour window to add additional coats (10 minutes between coats minimum). After you miss the 1 hour window, you have to wait 5 days before you can add another coat or the paint will lift. I ran out of paint on the brackets and had to wait 5 days before I could add the rest of the paint, so if you copy my steps exactly, I would buy 2 cans right away for anything significant you're painting.[/QUOTE]


:lol: yea FORD grey... ewww. Oh well, what the hell, I run Motorcraft plug wires on the SS454 duelie haul truck :rotf:

Thanks for the color info Tooky!

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James
 

TYHOGG

Active member
Re: Lower intake swap / Vortec head & cam install on stock bottom end

Where did you have your lower intake manifold modified? Looks like a really nice job. Its the only thing holding me up right now. Pay RPM for it, TIG it myself, or take it to a shop. I can tig with the best of them, just trying to save some money and get the best looking product.
 

JSM

Active member
Re: Lower intake swap / Vortec head & cam install on stock bottom end

The tigging part is the easy part if you know how to tig. Trick is having a jig to remachine the surface flat.

I might consider machining it for you if you want to tig it yourself. AFter nats though and I get some rest.
 

Tooky

Serious about performance
Re: Lower intake swap / Vortec head & cam install on stock bottom end

If you do it yourself, you can use this thread to help since I've taken close up photos of practically every critical part of the fitment..
 

Tooky

Serious about performance
Final lower intake porting

Final lower intake porting

Finished the lower intake porting today. 11.5 hours altogether. It's not perfect but I think it's good enough. :myclone: This is the first intake manifold I have ever ported. I made a few mistakes/slips but nothing that should affect the performance.

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Here's a fuel injector fully seated in the bung. It doesnt even contact that little ridge, but I carefully left a full ring around the ridge anyways, narrowing to ~1/16" at worst.

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I took a bunch more photos of the porting but these were the highlights.
 

turbodig

Active member
Re: Lower intake swap / Vortec head & cam install on stock bottom end

Tooky said:
Now I'm officially half way done with this thing! :)

PS: I would certainly recommend pulling the motor to anyone who has the resources to do so! It would be a lot easier and probably less time after you factor in how easy it would be to do all the head bolts etc. and the timing cover/oil pan would be a cinch. I am not that fortunate however, so this post should be a nice guide for anyone else who can't pull their motor but still wants to do a cam swap.

Rub that cam bearing with your thumb fairly hard... you'll probably polish out the nick.

I wouldn't be too worried about it unless it's really deep. I'm guessing your inner bearings
look as bad or worse.

I had some minor marks in mine when it came back from the machine shop. The builder there (who builds 80% of the circle track and drag motors in the area) said that it would get a lot worse marks when I put the cam in.
 

Tooky

Serious about performance
Update

Update

Had a great time at Nats 2007! In fact, it just got me even more motivated to get right back to work.

Cam Degreeing

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Is this the first time anyone's posted a photo of a SyTy being degreed (other than a shop)? :lol:

I finished degreeing my cam. Took a long time to understand how to use these tools and do it properly on a hydraulic roller camshaft and found out there's a really kick ass crank socket I'm dying to get (no I'm not getting paid to say this :lol: )

My cam is a custom 09-000-08 grind from Comp Cams with +3 advance ground in. I degreed it and found on average 5-6* advance on every measurement! So I used my Edelbrock crank gear's alternate keyway to retard it -4, putting me at a total of +2 cam advance (1* less than what is ground into the cam). I re-degreed it and this time, everything checked out much closer to the cam card. I was surprised to actually find the cam off enough to need correcting; now I'm glad I bit the bullet and degreed the cam in properly.

If anyone else is interesting in cam degreeing, here are several VERY useful links, the cream of the crop of an extensive Google search:

http://www.cranecams.com/?show=article&id=3 Basic photo instructions on how to degree a cam
http://www.carcraft.com/howto/116_0701_how_to_degree_a_camshaft/index.html (very good)
http://www.stockcarracing.com/techarticles/scrp_0607_how_to_degree_a_camshaft/ (very good)
http://jrmotorsports.com/techinfoengines.cfm (very good overall engine assembly advice!)
http://www.rpmrons.com/degreecam.html
http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/~biesiade/camdegree.htm



Roller Lifters
I had one stock lifter come out of the bore tightly, so I looked for a replacement and found Sealed Power/Federal Mogul makes a stock replacement, $10 at CARQUEST. I get 2 ordered in and it's the right size, but the bottom of the lifter body (near the roller wheel) is flat instead of "U-shaped" like the stock ones. Which means when the cam lobe comes up, it's a lot closer to hitting the lifter body than on the original GM lifters! My cam has a fast ramp rate so I'm a little worried. I rotated the cam and it doesn't actually hit, but it's got to be only .010-.015" clearance I'm guessing. Has anyone ever heard of this? Would it be smart to grind more clearance on these lifters? I guess if it doesn't hit now, I can't think of a reason it would hit at 5500 RPM.

I also checked my new Manley stock replacement hardened pushrods length by comparing to a stock one, only to find out they are significantly longer!! Probably .030-.050!" :oops: That might mess with the lifter preload I'll have on my nonadjustable factory 2004 Vortec "shaft" roller rocker setup... I guess I'll find out when I get to actually measuring the preload. Man, it seems like every step of this build has been fraught with some problem/issue.

Tomorrow I finish attacking the stupid timing cover/oil pan seal issue.
 

Tooky

Serious about performance
Update

Update

Timing Cover
As promised, I did the timing cover (without dropping the oil pan or touching the stock oil pan gasket) and it was every much the bitch it was reputed to be! I couldn't find any GOOD photos of the "corner trimming" so I measured the distance between the block and cut appropriately. Not the best work, but here it is:

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It took over an hour to get the damn thing to seat properly! I kept having to add RTV to try and seal it up. I used my finger to create a (hopefully) continuous bead along the oil pan gasket/timing cover lip. If this leaks, I'll be surprised (and pissed off). :lol:

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It ain't pretty, but nobody will ever see it.


More Painted Parts
The PTE 44 through 63's all have the "T04E" compressor cover with a cast aluminum finish. Mine always collected dirt so I painted it with the "cast aluminum" engine enamel I mentioned earlier. I really like how it turned out! Here it is BEFORE and AFTER:

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Look at the outlet, I masked that off. You can compare the bare cast finish to the painted part. Now instead of feeling "sandy", the cover feels almost slick to the finger. :)

I also finished painting the lower intake manifold. The dark gray turned out better than I thought, it's a closer match to the stock upper than the "cast aluminum" color. I sprayed the underbody of the intake manifold with the cast aluminum color for two reasons: The paint claims to dissipate heat and resist oil (keeping the oil splash off the lower intake), and I wanted to see what the intake would have looked like if I painted it the aluminum color.

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The cast aluminum color is too silvery and would (IMO) look too "obviously not factory".
 

Tooky

Serious about performance
DIY Vortec Head Porting

DIY Vortec Head Porting

I got over my fear of ruining the valve seats and started porting the Vortec heads! This is the first head porting I've ever done but I did a lot of research in books, magazines and among professional head porters. I learned some interesting things. First off, it seems that "gasket matching" is among one of the LEAST worthwhile porting tasks (polishing the metal to a mirror shine is the #1 least worthwhile; turns out it's only for the sake of appearance to the customer...). That is - gasket matching gives barely any increase in flow, because the port inlets are not the bottleneck. Wise men advised me to spend my time porting the MOST restrictive parts FIRST, to get the biggest gains for the least amount of work.

That means opening up the valve throats, which are the true bottleneck as it's the smallest area the air flows through just prior to passing the valve. Here's an excellent diagram to get yourself familiar with head porting terminology:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cylinder_head_porting

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On the Vortecs (or at least, on my ~2004 #113 castings, although this likely applies to ALL cast iron production cylinder heads), the factory valve seat cutter leaves a big, sharp machined ridge at the valve throat. Take a look at my stock combustion chamber:

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However, they say that "nowhere is the penalty greater than going too large in the valve throat". Everyone says you want the valve throat 85%-90% of the intake valve diameter. I took some measurements with my digital calipers I've been so eager to use. :D
Code:
                   [b]Valve throat narrowest point[/b]
               Intake (1.94")   |    Exhaust  (1.50")
-----------------------------------------------------------------
stock            1.65"                   1.22"
85%             1.65"                   1.275"
90%             1.746"                 1.35"
Notice that GM's casting mark actually leaves the intake throat right at the 85% mark already. So I had to be careful not to remove TOO much material. However, an expert head porter said that to get decent gains from this "bowl blending", you have to actually remove some metal. I wound up right at the 1.74" figure after cleaning the intake up to my satisfaction. In the next photo, you can see I did the exhaust too (but haven't finished it yet). The exhaust short side turn had the sharpest ridge of all.

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Here's a closeup of the intake short side turn:

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Here's some bonus information. I noticed my stock heads had a shitty "one angle" valve job. Notice the Vortecs have a 3 angle on the exhaust, and what appears to be a 3 angle on the intake as well (the bottom angle seems to get lost (thin) in the cutter ridge on most of the ports, so maybe it's not really a valve seat angle cut?) Remember that's one of the key areas where air flow is most restricted. So you gain a nice little benefit right there, even on unported Vortecs with the factory valve job.

In case you want to look back, here are links to the images I already posted, of the stock LB4 combustion chamber, and a side shot of the stock vortec valve throat casting.


Editorial
I've been wondering why this seems like the first time anyone has posted head porting photos/advice on this site. Plenty of people must have done it (certainly the vendors all offer it), but I guess no one else had interest in assisting everyone trying to do the same thing. :? :dunno: I guess what I'm trying to say is, I'd like to read articles like this (in addition to writing them.) Nonetheless, my truck is practically a product of the good advice I have received from other DIY owners on this site (and others) over the last 5 years, so I don't mind contributing my fair share. :thumbsup: I just hope I don't get edged out at a race some day by a guy who used all my tricks (on top of his own). :lol:
 
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Tooky

Serious about performance
Port Matching Vortec Intake Ports

Port Matching Vortec Intake Ports

Now despite there not being much gains to be had from port matching, I still wanted to work on the Vortec intake ports so it would match my Syclone lower intake manifold ports. The Vortecs have a weird "trapezoid" shape where it looks like they are "leaning" towards each other. As I said a few weeks earlier, my measurements indicated that simply straightening the ports to the minimum width seemed like it would give a perfect result. It did!!!

I measured my ported Vortec lower intake manifold ports. I had widths ranging from 1.10"-1.14" with an average of 1.12 on most. Heights were all between 2.07-2.08", so my eyeballed hand porting produced a pretty repeatable port height! (for the taller Vortec ports)

On the Vortec heads themself, the intake ports measured 1.04" at the narrowest part, and 1.10" at the widest part, with a 2.14" height. Regarding airflow, it's safe to have a "small pipe flowing into a large pipe" but much worse if it's vice versa. So I should be safe if I leave my manifold heights at 2.08". For the widths I figured if I put them at 1.15" on the heads, the 1.10-1.14" intake manifold ports would match up well and allow a small margin to flow into the bigger head port. Here's a comparison between the unported head, and one that I finished straightening the ports by widening them the minimum amount (1.15"):

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Close up on the finished ported head intake ports:

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The best part is, I laid the Felpro 1203 gasket over the heads and it lines up just great!! Especially the thin strip between the 2 "siamese" ports!!!

It is now my belief that "gasket matching" the heads and intake to the Felpro 1203 is a mistake, because the 1203 is SO much wider than the 1.15" "magic" number I came up with on mine; it seems like the air would be slowed down for nothing, just to shrink again quickly as it enters the head's intake port and into the pushrod pinch. The only way I can see it making sense to enlarge the intake ports to the full width of the 1203 gasket is if you were also doing a full head port job including enlarging the pushrod pinch (after careful analysis). :2cents:

I also surpassed the 100 hour labor point. Next up, I have to finish the exhaust bowls and I'm thinking of profiling the huge valve guide bosses, if I can figure out a way to do it..

Finally, for anyone else serious about DIY head porting, here are some web articles I can recommend:

DIY Small Block Cylinder Head Porting
http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/techarticles/95518_small_block_cylinder_head_porting/index.html

very good, 6 step flow test before/after
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/en...core/0602em_cylinder_head_porting/index2.html

cylinder head porting mistakes, top 10 don'ts, David Vizard
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/en...core/0412em_porting_cylinder_heads/index.html

valve Bowl porting tips from Joe Mondello
http://www.automotiverebuilder.com/ar/ar39924.htm

excellent explanation of the ridiculous stock SyTy/TBI "swirl port" heads
http://www.customclassictrucks.com/...c_cylinder_heads_small_block_chevy/index.html
 
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dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
Re: Port Matching Vortec Intake Ports

Re: Port Matching Vortec Intake Ports

Tooky said:
Now despite there not being much gains to be had from port matching, I still wanted to work on the Vortec intake ports so it would match my Syclone lower intake manifold ports.

I think the SyTy lower manifold to head is more of port mismatch than simple port matching. I personally think it would be worthwhile, some people I know think of port match is more of gasket matching.

I haven't had a chance ot fully read your article, but here is a article about porting Vortec Heads.

http://carcraft.com/techarticles/116_0306_vort/index1.html
 

Tooky

Serious about performance
Re: Port Matching Vortec Intake Ports

Re: Port Matching Vortec Intake Ports

dgoodhue said:
I think the SyTy lower manifold to head is more of port mismatch than simple port matching. I personally think it would be worthwhile, some people I know think of port match is more of gasket matching.

I'm not sure what you mean exactly? I drew up a diagram to explain what I did a little better:

vortec_intakeports_measurements.jpg


I haven't had a chance ot fully read your article, but here is a article about porting Vortec Heads.

http://carcraft.com/techarticles/116_0306_vort/index1.html
That link gives me a 404..? But I know which article you mean (if you delete the index1.html off that URL, it works). I was going to include that article, but lately it seems like the article has been basically deleted. Take a look at it, it's just 1 photo and 2 paragraphs. The original article had about 15 photos and a story to go with. I have it saved to disk. I contacted Car Craft to notify them of the mistake but never heard back.
 

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
Re: Lower intake swap / Vortec head & cam install on stock bottom end

I quickly tried to write that this morning while the way to work. I was trying to say some people think of gasket matching as port matching. So basically they are porting both sides to the gasket. This is what I believe most porters mean by port matching is a waste of time since the port opening isn't a huge restriction. SyTy with Vortec heads and a modified lower intake have a port mismatch, IMO what you are doing/done is a little more than port matching. I believe gains in terms of the overall intake system cfm (manifold to valve) will show some benefit from it. The head alone one flow bench will probably will probably should little to no gains. Anyways very nice job on the head porting. I hope mine turns out as well, I am hoping to start on mine in the next week or two.
 
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