Loss of power, slow spool, off idle hesitation, coolant in oil/intake

stuckinUT

Donating Member
All right, I don't know where to go from here. My truck is having some issues. I picked it up in Cali in August and drove it the 600 miles home, and it ran great, just a rough (and low) idle, and only made 8 lbs of boost. Once home I got a good look at it and the boost control solenoid was bypassed (it was bad), so I replaced it and took the KB chip it had out and replaced it with the stock memcal.

The idle got worse, to the point that it will die in Drive 50% of the time if I don't do the two step. It also has a serious off idle hesitation that no matter how much pedal pressure I use, floor it or barely lean into it, it goes no where for literally 2-3 seconds, turbo won't spool, tach doesn't move from 1000 RPM's or so, then all of a sudden it will lurch into boost and take off. Once into the revs it is smooth, but feels down on power (and getting progressively worse, so it's not just from removing the KB chip). The truck uses up coolant like crazy, but there is no external leak that I can find. I'm talking filling up the radiator from near bone dry every 10-15 miles or so of driving.

What I noticed today is that after letting it warm up, then driving a few miles there is a bad smell of coolant and steam/smoke will emanate from the air filter after I shut down the truck. Also the steam/smoke started coming through my passenger side defrost vent. There is also moisture in the air intake tube. This all makes me wonder if my turbo is crapped out, but it spins freely and has very little shaft play.

What has me really worried is that the oil looks like chocolate milk and is sticky on the dipstick, and the oil level is crazy high (full of coolant I guess). It just smells like oil though. No rod sticking out anywhere, old plugs looked normal when I changed them last week, and no coolant/oil mixture puked out any cylinder when plugs were removed, but who knows? Never had a bang or poof, no smoke from exhaust (hard to actually tell right now because it's 20 degrees out in the morning, so it's white coming out at idle, but no smoke while driving). I will drain the oil tomorrow to see what it looks like, I hope I don't find any metal.

So what's everyone think? Just turbo, or motor too?

Here is what I have done recently:
Cap/Rotor (MSD), Ignition module & coil (Pertronics flame thrower), Taylor plug wires, NGK UR5's gapped @ .032, PCV valves replaced, O2 sensor replaced (Bosch), fuel filter replaced. None of this made any difference, in fact it has less power. I also replaced all the vacuum lines with silicon except for the ones to the canister and vacuum ball (I ran out) and the check valves. It only makes 14-15 vacuum at idle, so I think I still have a leak somewhere.

No CEL. The truck has a AFPR, KB torque converter, KB cold air, KB underdrive pulley's. It had a KB chip in it when I got it, but I replaced it with the stock chip as soon as I got it home. The fuel injectors do not appear to be stock. They have a green top instead of red. The paperwork I received from the guy I bought the truck from had all the KB installation instructions and the Chip paperwork had instructions for both the regular KB "Streetmaster" chip and for one with 40lb injector programming for use with KB 40lb injectors, so I wonder if I may have those injectors. I have a set of low mile stock 32 lb injectors on the way, but haven't tried putting the KB chip back in to see if anything changes. I haven't checked idle FP because I don't have a test gauge, but I may go buy one tonight.

I guess the driveability/hesitation is secondary to the milky oil right now. So what does everyone think? Sorry for the long post, I like details.
 

bezerk

New member
Re: Loss of power, slow spool, off idle hesitation, coolant in oil/intake

you need to have your head gasket tested. either by a sniffer test, or pressure test. we can all geuss, but if you know it's leaking that much you better start from there
 

Raist103

Engine Killer, iPhone Killer, Lawnmower Killer
Re: Loss of power, slow spool, off idle hesitation, coolant in oil/intake

bad gasket for sure and most likely bad bearings from coolant. time for a new motor.
 

NecroWolf

lost marbles member
Re: Loss of power, slow spool, off idle hesitation, coolant in oil/intake

head gasket time but if you haven't put many miles on it with water in the oil you might not need to swap the motor.
 

SY2932

Administrator
Re: Loss of power, slow spool, off idle hesitation, coolant in oil/intake

bad gasket for sure and most likely bad bearings from coolant. time for a new motor.

DITTO. Sorry, but you're done :(. At this point your best bet is to stop driving the truck until you get a new mill in there. If you keep driving it, you risk SERIOUS damage that will make the rebuilt cost increase considerably...

I had a head gasket go in my old daily driven '88 2.8L S10 several years ago. I drained the oil as soon as I realized that I had a problem. Replaced the head gaskets and ended up spinning multiple bearings and snapping the crank about two weeks after I got it back together anyways :roll::

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I dunno if I would feel the same way about my truck if I didn't get to enjoy it before having a major mechanical issue after I bought it. You're not alone as there have been others who dreamed to own a syty someday. They finally get one and it turns out to be neglected and or abused and the dream QUICKLY turns into a nightmare.

This is where your syty "faith" will be put to the test. Most of us who have broken trucks on here had a decent running one at some point. We KNOW what a good running truck is capable of. That is why we will tolerate having a broken truck for years until it is fixed to our liking. If you never had a strong running truck, you simply don't know what you were missing. Good luck on the rebuild and we will help along the way if you decide that this is the "hill that you want to die on"...
 

gkrcr882

SyTyless......for now!
Re: Loss of power, slow spool, off idle hesitation, coolant in oil/intake

Do yourself a favor and run that KB chip over with a lawnmower. Sorry to hear about your misfortune. On the plus side, now's the time to make the truck what you want it to be (i.e.- power/reliability goals, tuning, etc).
 

stuckinUT

Donating Member
Re: Loss of power, slow spool, off idle hesitation, coolant in oil/intake

Yeah, I figured with the oil like that I'm probably in for a rebuild/replacement, regardless of the cause of the mixture. I haven't put many miles on the truck like that, the oil was fine last month. I have put maybe 20 miles on it since it started really acting up, but that was probably enough. I have a buddy who is a ASE master tech coming over to take a look, but I am pretty sure I know now, with the way it's running.

I was hoping that with the coolant in the intake and steam from the air filter that the mixture was from the turbo mixing the two, but I am planning for the worst now. It would be nice to just have to replace the turbo, flush the oil system and go from there. I could do that right now, but a rebuild/replacement could not be in the works until at least late spring. I guess I will see what he says. I am sure we will at least do a compression test, maybe a leak down test. I don't know how much time he'll have Sat.

I have driven a good running Syclone, so I know it's potential. In august it was a good deal, and it really did run good for a while. It is in good condition besides this. The motor and turbo were rebuilt by the previous owner at 66K miles, but it has 102K now and those miles were all on the KB chip. I would not sell it, I would have to lose a lot of money on it. It will just have to sit until I can afford to repair it. I don't want to just tear it apart and do a bearings/rings minimum rebuild. If I have to get into it I will go forged. Maybe even just buy a "stock replacement" from a vendor here. I don't want a huge HP monster, just a perfectly running, close to stock truck with maybe a bolt-on hybrid or something. (yeah I say that now, I know):roll:
 

stuckinUT

Donating Member
Re: Loss of power, slow spool, off idle hesitation, coolant in oil/intake

Oh yeah, thanks for all the replies/support guys.:tup:
 

stuckinUT

Donating Member
Re: Loss of power, slow spool, off idle hesitation, coolant in oil/intake

Do yourself a favor and run that KB chip over with a lawnmower. Sorry to hear about your misfortune. On the plus side, now's the time to make the truck what you want it to be (i.e.- power/reliability goals, tuning, etc).

Yeah the KB chip was the first thing to go/change. Before tune up, oil change, anything. It was actually in the back of my mind that with 40K miles on the motor with that chip, that I would possibly encounter something like this sooner rather than later. I still don't think I paid too much for the truck, so I am not too depressed about it.

I actually have a gauge style Ultimate that I was waiting to install until the truck was running perfect, but that will have to wait obviously. I may even have to sell it to help fund the new motor that it looks like I will be putting in. However I may have a buyer for my Mustang now (fingers crossed), so that combined with tax returns may let me do the motor sooner.
 
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