Is a 7.50 Syclone possible??

[George Blake]

Re: Is a 7.50 Syclone possible??

If your breaking the case, something else is wrong. Especially when running solid mounts. If the chassis flexes (imagine the transmission crossmember as a "T") and you twist that "T", it will be magnefied as you go to the rear of the vehicle....No case will take that twisting. You take care of the chassis issue and the trans will hold it. They use these things in EMS squads and buses for god's sake. Those make torque. Lots of torque. And that's with a stock 4L80. There's lots of things that have to be done though once you get over 1200 HP :tup:

 

[warmpancakes]

Re: Is a 7.50 Syclone possible??

Might have been the no cage thing but it was a true daily driver

 

[Six-is-Enough]

Re: Is a 7.50 Syclone possible??

Just to through in my

. But I think weight is a major issue with these trucks to run 7.XX. Reduce weight and parts will live longer too. I would guess some one would have to get a truck below 3000 lbs.

I think power and traction are close. I beleive Robert has cut 60' ets in the 1.38 range, take out 600+ lbs and that becomes a 1.20 something 60'. A low 1.20 sixty could get you a high 7 second et. I have personally seen a 3200 lbs car run 7.0 et's with a 1.16 sixty......of course that was a 400 ci centrifugal Supercharged car making 1800 hp.

The truck would proably have to be a dedicated race truck stripped down to bare essentials. Lexan windows, fiberglass doors and hood, etc.

 

[Nova67ss]

Re: Is a 7.50 Syclone possible??

Have to clarifye some small details.. This Q is NOT about the Syclone Robert done the 8 sec pass with... Thats a street legal Sy that runs 8-9 sec and will so remain..

To simplifye the Q this is NOT TO BE STREET LEGAL we are just fooling around with with the thought of a PURE RACE SY

But with AWD/4WD and a V6 turbo (SyTy konsept) 7,50?

What does U think or guess will take/need to bee done to run 7,50 or faster??

 

[Nova67ss]

Re: Is a 7.50 Syclone possible??

Just to through in my

. But I think weight is a major issue with these trucks to run 7.XX. Reduce weight and parts will live longer too. I would guess some one would have to get a truck below 3000 lbs.

I think power and traction are close. I beleive Robert has cut 60' ets in the 1.38 range, take out 600+ lbs and that becomes a 1.20 something 60'. A low 1.20 sixty could get you a high 7 second et. I have personally seen a 3200 lbs car run 7.0 et's with a 1.16 sixty......of course that was a 400 ci centrifugal Supercharged car making 1800 hp.

The truck would proably have to be a dedicated race truck stripped down to bare essentials. Lexan windows, fiberglass doors and hood, etc.

Jeremy your RIGHT ON to the discusion I had with Robert when we started to brainstorm the 7.50 idea..

I told Robert, the power is there but the weight must go,, to do so with his truck we´re talking what U sugested. carbon fiber truck.. body, bed, doors, fender,hood, everything lexan windows and so on. BUT I dont think the weight reduction will bee enough..

MOST IMPORTENT.. THIS will NEVER happens with Roberts truck..

We´re talking PURE race chassie and everything round that.. get the weigt dooown USE the engine combination that Robert allready tested out to be funktional...

The rest IS the Q..

 

[BigBadSmoosh]

Re: Is a 7.50 Syclone possible??

was shaun palmer's truck fiberglass or carbon fiber?

could be a good platform to start with.

 

[Nova67ss]

Re: Is a 7.50 Syclone possible??

I think it will happen this year and it wont bew either of them not that robert or eds trucks are slouches, but there are trucks out there that arent active members

This kind of answer, drop them... if the guy dont want to be seen, dont talk about him.. when his ready to run fast with a timeslip to prove it... then show us..

This kind of talk was much around the bully sy too. and we all know what that was....talk...

He´s up for a best time att 10,100 but no timeslip???? more talk??havent seen the slip for that 10.03 either.. the 10.38 is confirmed. by video.

 

[Silly]

Re: Is a 7.50 Syclone possible??

to do so with his truck we´re talking what U sugested. carbon fiber truck.. body, bed, doors, fender,hood, everything lexan windows and so on.

But then you open a new can of worms, would that still be recognized as a syty? Some would say no.

 

[cdezzz]

Re: Is a 7.50 Syclone possible??

was shaun palmer's truck fiberglass or carbon fiber?

could be a good platform to start with.

it was a mix, but it was built to be streetable, not pure race

 

[BigBadSmoosh]

Re: Is a 7.50 Syclone possible??

it was a mix, but it was built to be streetable, not pure race

its still probably the closest thing.. how heavy is the truck?

 

[cdezzz]

Re: Is a 7.50 Syclone possible??

its still probably the closest thing.. how heavy is the truck?

I will have to go look, but's I know it's not lite. The fenders, hood, cladding, bedside are about the only things that are not metal. And then you add the cage back into it....

This truck would not be a good start for the ultimate Sy/Ty. It's not built to run the 1/4, it's designed to be driven on the street and be able to run pikes peak

 

[warmpancakes]

Re: Is a 7.50 Syclone possible??

This kind of answer, drop them... if the guy dont want to be seen, dont talk about him.. when his ready to run fast with a timeslip to prove it... then show us..

This kind of talk was much around the bully sy too. and we all know what that was....talk...

He´s up for a best time att 10,100 but no timeslip???? more talk??havent seen the slip for that 10.03 either.. the 10.38 is confirmed. by video.

If you want that attitude then Prove Roberts truck went into the 8s get a time slip that shows 1/4 mile, oh wait you cant it was europe and has the truck made 2, 8 second passes back to back? If it hasnt its not a record just a 8second pass

 

[midnightbluS10]

Re: Is a 7.50 Syclone possible??

If you want that attitude then Prove Roberts truck went into the 8s get a time slip that shows 1/4 mile, oh wait you cant it was europe and has the truck made 2, 8 second passes back to back? If it hasnt its not a record just a 8second pass

That's just plain ol' ignorance.

http://www.syty.net/forums/image.php?u=203&type=timeslip&dateline=1160418095

If it lists 60 foot times, the rest must be in feet. How much simpler can it get?

 

[Nova67ss]

Re: Is a 7.50 Syclone possible??

If you want that attitude then Prove Roberts truck went into the 8s get a time slip that shows 1/4 mile, oh wait you cant it was europe and has the truck made 2, 8 second passes back to back? If it hasnt its not a record just a 8second pass

Ok my answer was hars, but yours ar childish..

http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=39759

Robert have done 1 run 8.98 and 1run 9.003 and thats back to back within 30 minutes.. and here it counts as backed up. read the thread I included, there U got the timeslip too.

This thread is NOT about fast truck nobody heard of or seen its about ideas HOW TO GO DOWN TO 7.50 or faster.

Its not about street legal or so either, its to take the consept from a Sy/Ty (V6 Turbo 4WD) and run faster than anny other..

I know of weeeeery fast novas too they run in the 6 et.. and they are still in a garage somewhere.. http://www.racebilder.com/bilder/dragracing/2006/winternats/imagepages/image19.htm

You get the point?

I want a discusion on HOW to do what I asked about..


IF theres a Sy running 7 sec show us or let the guy show and tell how its done, not just ... "I know a guy...."

 

[warmpancakes]

Re: Is a 7.50 Syclone possible??

Robert have done 1 run 8.98 and 1run 9.003 and thats back to back within 30 minutes.. and here it counts as backed up. read the thread I included, there U got the timeslip too.

If those are the runs you are going with then its a 9.01 truck its a average of the 2 passes.
And im not taking anything away from Robert as he has the first 8 second pass recorded on this board for a syclone
Yes you can runs 7s in a syclone but not with a stock frame, AWD or factory sheet metal you will need a full chassis truck and RWD because awd would be pointless because the front tires would probably be barly on the ground for the first 300 feet, Look at leachs sy thats what a LEGAL for the US 7 second truck would look like

 

[dgoodhue]

Re: Is a 7.50 Syclone possible??

If those are the runs you are going with then its a 9.01 truck its a average of the 2 passes.

The average of those two passes is 8.9915

 

[midnightbluS10]

Re: Is a 7.50 Syclone possible??

If those are the runs you are going with then its a 9.01 truck its a average of the 2 passes.

The average of those two passes is 8.9915

wned:

 

[Nova67ss]

Re: Is a 7.50 Syclone possible??

If those are the runs you are going with then its a 9.01 truck its a average of the 2 passes.
And im not taking anything away from Robert as he has the first 8 second pass recorded on this board for a syclone
Yes you can runs 7s in a syclone but not with a stock frame, AWD or factory sheet metal you will need a full chassis truck and RWD because awd would be pointless because the front tires would probably be barly on the ground for the first 300 feet, Look at leachs sy thats what a LEGAL for the US 7 second truck would look like

Thanks
Now we are in the right direktion for this thread, and your info and thoughts are noted..

The tricky part is we WANT to do it 4WD style to get those evo´s and other 4WD/AWD a game worth the name, not just Sy/Ty´s ..

Have more info on Leachs, or is he the Sy with the realy nice tubular work showed erlyer in this forum??

No hard feelings, warmpankaces?

 

[warmpancakes]

Re: Is a 7.50 Syclone possible??

9.00 and 8.98 is 8.99 sorry didnt realize its carried out to the third position

 

[Nova67ss]

Re: Is a 7.50 Syclone possible??

Ok before I take my bedtime The..

So far we got the engine.. V6 and Turbo, does´nt matter if U go Roberts,Ed or Hoover way the power is enough..

trans mission?? Glide or 4L80.. whell glide is somehow Ol´school but it works, the 4L80 have the computer capability as an advatidge (I think)

Rear drive? a 9 or a 12bolt whell I guess for mee I´ll take the 12.. easyer do drive and holds alot of power. the truck is going to be light to reach 7 say 2000-2200Lbs

Front drive? whell if a Sy/Ty front end stays together with the power and the weight now, it will hold up in a lighter truck..

Now´s the rest to brain away on

Have a good night sleep, I´m off to a cup of The. and some sleep to..