How far are you willing to travel for a major SyTy Event?

How far are you willing to travel for a major SyTy Event?

  • 0 - 200 Miles (I choose this because I suck as a SyTy owner)

    Votes: 3 1.8%
  • 200 - 500 Miles

    Votes: 48 29.1%
  • 500 - 800 Miles

    Votes: 33 20.0%
  • 800 - 1000 Miles

    Votes: 28 17.0%
  • 1000 - 1300 Miles

    Votes: 7 4.2%
  • 1300 - 1500 Miles

    Votes: 12 7.3%
  • 1500+ Miles (I'm a Diehard SyTy owner!)

    Votes: 13 7.9%
  • Anything over 500 Mi, I'll have to fly

    Votes: 2 1.2%
  • Anything over 1000 Mi, I'll have to fly

    Votes: 4 2.4%
  • I'll show up, but it will be in a Daily/Rental car

    Votes: 5 3.0%
  • I'm a former owner but this sounds like something I don't want to miss

    Votes: 4 2.4%
  • Other (Please post)

    Votes: 6 3.6%

  • Total voters
    165

Captain Morgan

Moderated User
Re: How far are you willing to travel for a major SyTy Event?

Spent more time stalking out the members of SyTy.net

I have full names and locations for everyone EXCEPT the following members:
It's just a six (need last name & city)
srocket24 (need last name)


You can PM me if you wish to keep your information private.

The following members posted their info on Facebook, but didn't vote:
Spnknu
Sy2211Baldwin
Strykerblythe
92Typhoon937
 

DanenGraham

Big in the rear
Re: How far are you willing to travel for a major SyTy Event?

I haven't voted for a couple reasons.

1) I never plan that far ahead for anything.
2) My truck has been down for years, and is still on the back burner.

Now, I will always want to go to Nats no matter the location. I would love to be able to make it to any SyTy event really, big or small. There are so few trucks and members that any gathering would be worth it to me. But if I was able to come to a future event, it would be in my daily driver. At least for the foreseeable future.

I applaud anyone, past and present that has helped setup and host the SyTy Nationals. Morgan, if you want me to vote for the DD option, just let me know.
 

ChiPhoon

Chicago Typhoon!
Re: How far are you willing to travel for a major SyTy Event?

I haven't voted for a couple reasons.

1) I never plan that far ahead for anything.
2) My truck has been down for years, and is still on the back burner.

Now, I will always want to go to Nats no matter the location. I would love to be able to make it to any SyTy event really, big or small. There are so few trucks and members that any gathering would be worth it to me. But if I was able to come to a future event, it would be in my daily driver. At least for the foreseeable future.

I applaud anyone, past and present that has helped setup and host the SyTy Nationals. Morgan, if you want me to vote for the DD option, just let me know.

maybe some of us should talk to guys who want to go but without their trucks who can ride with someone with a truck etc, more then likely if i drive mine i will be by myself anyways, but i know few of us have talked about traveling together from the chicago area convoying etc.
 

JSM

Active member
Re: How far are you willing to travel for a major SyTy Event?

maybe some of us should talk to guys who want to go but without their trucks who can ride with someone with a truck etc, more then likely if i drive mine i will be by myself anyways, but i know few of us have talked about traveling together from the chicago area convoying etc.


This is the type of thinking that happened a lot back in late 90's, early 2000 for events. Add in caravans, etc it helped really make the event.
 

Captain Morgan

Moderated User
Re: How far are you willing to travel for a major SyTy Event?

I haven't voted for a couple reasons.

1) I never plan that far ahead for anything.
2) My truck has been down for years, and is still on the back burner.

Now, I will always want to go to Nats no matter the location. I would love to be able to make it to any SyTy event really, big or small. There are so few trucks and members that any gathering would be worth it to me. But if I was able to come to a future event, it would be in my daily driver. At least for the foreseeable future.

I applaud anyone, past and present that has helped setup and host the SyTy Nationals. Morgan, if you want me to vote for the DD option, just let me know.

Danen,

I never plan anything (personally) this far ahead either, heck I got engaged and had the wedding 3 months later :rotf:

but fact is, last minute planning doesn't work either, not for this, nor does sitting back and just assuming the event will happen on its own and that people will want to show up just because there is a date, a track and a hotel.

I'm doing all of this calculating now just to see how a simple location change will effect attendance in a "real world" scenario as I can get, which is why I asked people to vote honestly. Voting that you will 1000 miles but really you're only willing drive 500 doesn't do me or the community any good when it comes down to actually choosing a location.

The other reason I'm doing this now is to keep people talking, thinking, wondering what is coming up. Maybe all of this hype will get those back burner projects back on the road again, I haven't driven a SyTy on a public street in 9 years, I am hoping all that will change for myself within the next 3 - 15 months, maybe for other people too.

As far as voting goes, seeing 145 people actually taking the time to vote is great in itself, whats better is that 76 of them would actually drive to a centrally located event with an additional 22 that I feel would honestly come based on the mileage being just over what they voted (example, voted 200-500, actual is 534). That's almost 68% attending possibly with a SyTySGT of some sort and possibly more willing to fly in if they are part of the 32% or maybe they will caravan with someone else.

There is also a good number of people who I know HAVEN'T VOTED, like Keith G, Sportmachines, Ian T, Aaron K, Hood, Mike C and numerous other "OG's" that I know, that aren't on my spreadsheet that would probably be in the green to bump attendance up even more.

I've always been a big supporter of the statement, "it's not about the trucks its about the people" and I still believe that today, but at the end of the day the trucks do play a major roll in getting people off the fence and getting them to show up. It is about the trucks too, after all that is why we are all here.

As for your vote, you could vote Other or DD if you don't think you will get your Sy anywhere near running by next year. Being that you are in Lee's Summit makes you pretty central to begin with, we could probably push your Sy to the event :lol:, its too bad KCIR isn't there anymore. Either way as long as youre there, that's all that matters, maybe the bug will bite soon and the Sy can get off the stove. :tup:
 

Captain Morgan

Moderated User
Re: How far are you willing to travel for a major SyTy Event?

I have now taken the 150 Votes and used them as community sample and compared every persons drive to 3 different tracks. One is a centrally located track of my choice (Topeka KS), the second was a location where a SyTy Event has been hosted previously (Bowling Green) and last is one everyone was blowing up Facebook about (SGMP, Southern Georgia Motorsports Park).

Now that I have gotten everyones locations for all 150 people, I will list actual figures, not percentages.


0 - 200 Group: ..KS.. | ..BG... | ..GA..
Not Attending: ..3 .. | .. 3 .. | .. 3 ..
.Might Attend: ..0 .. | .. 0 .. | .. 0 ..
....Attending: ..0 .. | .. 0 .. | .. 0 ..

Winner : None
____________________________________________________________

200 - 500 Grp: ..KS... | ...BG... | ..GA..
Not Attending: ..24 .. | .. 24 .. | .. 38 ..
.Might Attend: ..08 .. | .. 02 .. | .. 00 ..
....Attending: ..10 .. | .. 16 .. | .. 04 ..

Winner : Tie (KS & BG if adding maybes), BG overall
Huge Loser : SGMP
____________________________________________________________

500 - 800 Grp: ..KS... | ...BG... | ..GA..
Not Attending: ..12 .. | .. 08 .. | .. 22 ..
.Might Attend: ..07 .. | .. 02 .. | .. 00 ..
....Attending: ..12 .. | .. 21 .. | .. 09 ..

Winner : Bowling Green
Huge Loser : SGMP
____________________________________________________________

800 - 1000 Gp: ..KS... | ...BG... | ..GA..
Not Attending: ..06 .. | .. 03 .. | .. 05 ..
.Might Attend: ..06 .. | .. 02 .. | .. 02 ..
....Attending: ..12 .. | .. 19 .. | .. 17 ..

Winner : Bowling Green
Loser : Topeka, KS
____________________________________________________________

1000 - 1300 G: ..KS.. | ...BG.. | ..GA..
Not Attending: ..1 .. | .. 1 .. | .. 1 ..
.Might Attend: ..1 .. | .. 0 .. | .. 0 ..
....Attending: ..5 .. | .. 6 .. | .. 6 ..

Winner : Tie if including maybes, Tie w/ BG & GA overall
____________________________________________________________

1300 - 1500 G: ..KS... | ...BG... | ...GA..
Not Attending: ..00 .. | .. 01 .. | .. 02 ..
.Might Attend: ..00 .. | .. 00 .. | .. 00 ..
....Attending: ..11 .. | .. 10 .. | .. 08 ..

Winner : Topeka, KS
Loser : SGMP
____________________________________________________________

1500+ Group : ...KS... | ...BG... | ...GA..
Not Attending: ..00 .. | .. 00 .. | .. 00 ..
.Might Attend: ..00 .. | .. 00 .. | .. 00 ..
....Attending: ..12 .. | .. 12 .. | .. 12 ..

Winner : Tie, if everyone is really willing to drive like they voted
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Fly over 500: ..KS... | ...BG.. | ..GA..
......Flying: .. 2 .. | .. 1 .. | .. 2 ..
.....Driving: .. 0 .. | .. 1 .. | .. 0 ..

Winner : Bowling Green
____________________________________________________________

Fly over 500: ..KS... | ...BG... | ..GA..
.......Flying: ..1 .. | .. 1 .. | .. 2 ..
..Might Drive: ..0 .. | .. 1 .. | .. 0 ..
......Driving: ..3 .. | .. 2 .. | .. 2 ..

Winner : Topeka, KS (Tie w/ BG if counting maybes)
Loser : SGMP
____________________________________________________________



Do not read into this too much. Just because Bowling Green has promising numbers, it does not mean there isn't a better location just a little more north, south or west.

Clearly anything southeast of Bowling Green will put a significant hurting on attendance, so that will eliminate SGMP and probably Bristol, TN from the running. :tup:
 

Captain Morgan

Moderated User
Re: How far are you willing to travel for a major SyTy Event?

Very interesting.

it really is, I wish I was computer savvy enough to know of or make a problem which I could just enter in all this information once and change one destination rather than take one destination and manually compare 150 different zip codes to it on Mapquest :lol:

I've had some requests to try Chicago (need to figure out which track, since we went to Wisconsin in 2002) and I also want to try another central location but a little more west just to make the critics happy. :tup:
 

Damian

Member
Re: How far are you willing to travel for a major SyTy Event?

Id drive to Kansas, so that would put my driving upto 1500 miles or so. I have family in NE and OK, so I can visit them at the same time.
 

MikeRenz

not stock
Re: How far are you willing to travel for a major SyTy Event?

it really is, I wish I was computer savvy enough to know of or make a problem which I could just enter in all this information once and change one destination rather than take one destination and manually compare 150 different zip codes to it on Mapquest :lol:

I've had some requests to try Chicago (need to figure out which track, since we went to Wisconsin in 2002) and I also want to try another central location but a little more west just to make the critics happy. :tup:

http://www.freemaptools.com/radius-around-point.htm

If you were bored enough, you could draw a bunch of radii on the map and see the most heavily intersected areas.
 

Captain Morgan

Moderated User
Re: How far are you willing to travel for a major SyTy Event?

http://www.freemaptools.com/radius-around-point.htm

If you were bored enough, you could draw a bunch of radii on the map and see the most heavily intersected areas.

Not bad, I'm not sure radiuses give me the exact data Im after, but it would be general enough.

I did find a mapping tool last night that I didn't have time to play with, but input all the data just now, this will give everyone a pretty good idea of what we're looking at.

The real catch is entering the variables (the poll above) and how to get each person to a specific point.

But this paints a picture nevertheless.

CLICK HERE FOR MAP

Also, for those who don't like the way the map looks or feel your area needs better representation? Then start contacting owners that you know in your area and get them to vote and post their zipcode!!!!! :lol:
 

JSM

Active member
Re: How far are you willing to travel for a major SyTy Event?

I would stand to reaon if someone didn't have time to vote the chances of them attending an event is similar, so your sampling is probably more accurate now than if a bunch of random voters came in that wouldn't attend anyways.

I do applaud your efforts to do a very systamatic approach to location selection, something I think was done by gut feel before.

I think the Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio area is probably going to be the most centralized to group. (leaves cali out, but isn't california their own country anyways). It does serve the southern aka florida (surprised not more voters in there), the large northeast population, as well as chicago/Michigan area leaving all those within a 1 day drive.

I would be curious to list say all tracks in that approx area.
 

fivetodrive

CRISPY
Re: How far are you willing to travel for a major SyTy Event?

The Kansas option was interesting to me. I didn't even think it would be within the range for me but my truck barely runs...
 

Captain Morgan

Moderated User
Re: How far are you willing to travel for a major SyTy Event?

I would stand to reaon if someone didn't have time to vote the chances of them attending an event is similar, so your sampling is probably more accurate now than if a bunch of random voters came in that wouldn't attend anyways.
I would agree, except I see the list and there are a lot of big names not on it yet that should be and were even at Nats 13. Harmon for example is one of them, there are many more that I have thought about while running through the list.

I actually feel this sample is a pretty even mix of people who are "regulars", people who haven't been to an event in years and people who have never been to an event or are new to the game.

I do applaud your efforts to do a very systematic approach to location selection, something I think was done by gut feel before.
thank you, its been a shitty job but I think in the end, the community will not only benefit from it, but even those who are critics of to the previous events locations (KC, ChiTown, Bowling Green, Novi) will understand why those areas keep winning and why Denver was what it was and why Vegas and Reno just won't work for a large event.

I think an event in Vegas would be awesome, but it needs to be setup by someone out that way and it needs to be a Regional Event (like Carlisle or Shindig) not a National event.

I think the Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio area is probably going to be the most centralized to group. (leaves cali out, but isn't california their own country anyways). It does serve the southern aka florida (surprised not more voters in there), the large northeast population, as well as chicago/Michigan area leaving all those within a 1 day drive.
Yes, but this is where factoring in how far people are willing to drive comes into play. Looking at the 200-500 and the 500-800 Groups, at a quick glance, nearly every single person from Ohio would be willing to go to Bowling Green or Topeka believe it or not, and the possibility of picking up more people from the West and North increases, but naturally decreases slightly from the East and South, but there are also more people from the East willing to drive farther........... sooooooooo......... :lol:

This is not a cut and paste circle over the US and just assuming everyone will show up situation.

I would be curious to list say all tracks in that approx area.[/QUOTE]
There is more I can do with these maps (or finding another) that I just need to spend more time with.


Id drive to Kansas, so that would put my driving upto 1500 miles or so. I have family in NE and OK, so I can visit them at the same time.
<AND>
The Kansas option was interesting to me. I didn't even think it would be within the range for me but my truck barely runs...

That's what I have been trying to factor into this whole thing that no map or machine can take into account, and that's the "well its only a little farther" factor or the "I can do XXXXX along the way" factor. I can't do that either, but I can take into account that if someone votes for 500 miles and the track is 570 from their doorstep, is someone going to let another hour stand in the way of having a fun time, meeting people, maybe racing and checking out some nice trucks?
 

blackty

Active member
Re: How far are you willing to travel for a major SyTy Event?

Based on the map, I have to agree with Jeff. Ohio seems to be the winner. Maybe central Ohio if there are enough activities...Jim
 

Captain Morgan

Moderated User
Re: How far are you willing to travel for a major SyTy Event?

Based on the map, I have to agree with Jeff. Ohio seems to be the winner. Maybe central Ohio if there are enough activities...Jim

again, DONT BASE IT OFF THE MAP, it means NOTHING. Without taking into account the poll and how far people are willing to go, you will lose a BUNCH of attendance, that's why I'm doing this.
 

SloGN

9Sec Alky V6
Re: How far are you willing to travel for a major SyTy Event?

Based on the map, I have to agree with Jeff. Ohio seems to be the winner. Maybe central Ohio if there are enough activities...Jim



well if thats the case then i know tha norwalk is a nice track with flexible rules on safety equipment..

now columbus (National Trail) they are a pain to deal with.....
 

Captain Morgan

Moderated User
Re: How far are you willing to travel for a major SyTy Event?

well if thats the case then i know tha norwalk is a nice track with flexible rules on safety equipment..

now columbus (National Trail) they are a pain to deal with.....

Those are all good things to know as well.

Basically I see things going down like this. Right now I have a list of about (22) 1/4-mile tracks throughout all the states that have any practical consideration for an event.

Out of those 22, I hope to narrow it down to about 5 or 6 that would bring the best attendance.

Some of those tracks are stupid expensive to rent (Gateway) and some are just shit holes and some as you say are a pain to deal with. Perhaps with the knowledge of the members of this forum, we can narrow down those same 22 tracks to 5 - 12 that would be ideal and affordable.

Then compare both lists and see if any of them match up, if there's more than one, have a public vote on it.

But before getting ahead of ourselves, there are two other things that need to be taken into account, Lodging and Attractions, not only for "us", but for kids, family members, etc.

We can't just pull the trigger on a location and hope it works. A number of members have commented in this thread, on facebook, or have PMed me and suggested or hinted to having other places to go and things to do to make it a more family friendly event. Losing attendance because of these reasons is just as bad as picking a track thats far away from the major population of owners.
 

SloGN

9Sec Alky V6
Re: How far are you willing to travel for a major SyTy Event?

Those are all good things to know as well.

Basically I see things going down like this. Right now I have a list of about (22) 1/4-mile tracks throughout all the states that have any practical consideration for an event.

Out of those 22, I hope to narrow it down to about 5 or 6 that would bring the best attendance.

Some of those tracks are stupid expensive to rent (Gateway) and some are just shit holes and some as you say are a pain to deal with. Perhaps with the knowledge of the members of this forum, we can narrow down those same 22 tracks to 5 - 12 that would be ideal and affordable.

Then compare both lists and see if any of them match up, if there's more than one, have a public vote on it.

But before getting ahead of ourselves, there are two other things that need to be taken into account, Lodging and Attractions, not only for "us", but for kids, family members, etc.

We can't just pull the trigger on a location and hope it works. A number of members have commented in this thread, on facebook, or have PMed me and suggested or hinted to having other places to go and things to do to make it a more family friendly event. Losing attendance because of these reasons is just as bad as picking a track thats far away from the major population of owners.


I agree 1000%


Does it have to be a 1/4 mile track? The reason i ask is the insurance on a 1/4 mile track damn near triples VS a 1/8 mile track. The Buick Community is running into this problem about the cost of track rental VS the actual cost per person blal blah ......

This might be something to consider since we are a much smaller group and it might make for a better bang for the buck !!!


Also before anybody flames my ass for suggesting a 1/8 mile track.....Remember you gotta run the 1/8 to get to the 1/4 mile mark.......
 
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