HID head light conversion interest?

[redneckwonder]

Re: HID head light conversion interest?

Flyin Ryan,

Those pictures look great. When you go out tonight, go find a commercial concrete block building in a parking lot, or a large flat light colored wall will do, and pull back to 25-30 feet from the wall. Try and get in as dark as an enviroment as you can, to take your pictures. Everyone here would really appreciate it! Thanks again!

 

[Flyin Ryan]

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well then it must function something like option 2b I listed, which were ways that it could be bi-xenon. Please dont take this offensive, nothing Im posting is meant to be offensive, only informative.

None taken, I just don't want you to think im taking a $89 kit off ebay and a set of $20 h4 plastic housings and trying to be somebody.


The bulb doesn't move at all if I remember correctly and from my pictures what would your professional opinion be about how well the housings are working with these bi-xenion lights?

 

[Flyin Ryan]

Re: HID head light conversion interest?

Flyin Ryan,

Those pictures look great. When you go out tonight, go find a commercial concrete block building in a parking lot, or a large flat light colored wall will do, and pull back to 25-30 feet from the wall. Try and get in as dark as an enviroment as you can, to take your pictures. Everyone here would really appreciate it! Thanks again!

I can't bro.. The cops around here are crazy and there is no crime so they wait around my area for people.. my truck is awaiting an inspection sticker so the best I can do is my garage door for now.. or drive through my neighborhood some and find a better garage door to pull up to hahah.. i'll check around though but for now im leaving to go eat, eat and eat haha

later

Ryan

 

[redneckwonder]

Re: HID head light conversion interest?

None taken, I just don't want you to think im taking a $89 kit off ebay and a set of $20 h4 plastic housings and trying to be somebody.


The bulb doesn't move at all if I remember correctly and from my pictures what would your professional opinion be about how well the housings are working with these bi-xenion lights?

Please please dont think that is what Im saying. I know you arent. You are making an honest effort to increase your lighting capacity so you can see. I started out the exact same way, trust me. I only know what I know through reading, screwing up, internships, and some good friends. I just want to help you guys spend your money wisely and get the best value out there.

Now as far as my professional opinion goes, the setup you have isn't bad per se. Thats why I want to see pictures from a distance. Stray light? Yah it doesn't look like you have any, but that really becomes apparent at driving distances, say like 50-250 feet ya know? Also, the light is extremely concentrated based on the pictures provided. I am concerned that this will inhibit ability to see road signs, deer, objects in the road before they are too late. Let me try and dig up some pictures to illustrate.

Ok here is an example of the worst an HID swap could look:

If someone is uncareful they will get a light pattern like this on the road, which will fry your brain and make driving a PITA:

This is a decent way to explain the light pattern on the garage door. Notice the "glare" isnt that bad, but when driving that gets amplified tremendously:

This is how projector cutoffs will look. The reason for the stepping is so that the light sweeps up on the right side of the road to help illuminate road signs. Its small, but it makes all the difference in teh world. Notice the perfect distribution below the cutoff:

So like I say, I would rather withold my opinion till we can get some far away shots. The driving experience is where I would be concerned about anyway.

 

[odium]

Re: HID head light conversion interest?

^5 redneckwonder

 

[redneckwonder]

Re: HID head light conversion interest?

^5 redneckwonder

could you clarify please?

also, i brought back the tools and lights from my collection to start makin some fun stuff! ( lots of fun!)

 

[redneckwonder]

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ok, so ive been doing some paper drawings, research, etc. I think I have come up with a NON projector solution that allows for HID lows and halogen highs( maybe like a 9011 HIR bulb) It would be behind a clear glass lens, and look something like the newer Envoy headlights of 99-02. However parts alone are going to cost in the area of $450 plus my labor of fabbing the back of the lense. Basically is there any market for ~$550-600 clean looking headlights? The buyer would even have an option of having it color matched to their truck for the same price? The price includes everything including down the wiring harnesses, SS ballast mounting brackets, and all OEM designed parts. Throw some thoughts out there. At that price, if projectors were still sought out, the spitzkraft site may be the way to go... discuss.

Also, Deanzsyclone this is a question for you, or anyone for that matter that is interested...Are you interested in HID foglights for peformance, or just for color matching? I may have an efficient, bright, LED solution for the foglights thats a simple insert, but is in fact optically correct( they were designed for Amish buggies!! haha) Also I think they can be had for something around $100( I'll have to confirm that). The LED fogs would be something I pass along, not make money on since they are already made, I think...discuss this also..

 

[TURBOV6]

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If I already did not say this I wanted to let everyone know that I only sell the H4 telescopting HID kit with my conversion kit.

Why because of the H4 shield. With this shield it helps control the output beam and not make it blinding to on comming cars. So this there is no need to do a costly hid projector conversion kit. I have taken some comparasion pictures but don't know if you can see the difference.

I also now included DOT approved lamps.

 

[redneckwonder]

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alrite, I just placed an order for $500 worth of parts, lets see if I can make something of this...

update: just found a killer deal on clear, optics free fog lights lenses. I might actually be able to sell an HID fog for under $300. all you do is bolt them on. they are blazer brand...one set ordered for testing...

 

[odium]

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Is that a Grote lamp I spy?

^5 = high five. I fully agree with you on the need for HID systems to be engineered versus half-assed bulb replacements.

 

[redneckwonder]

Re: HID head light conversion interest?

ooooooooooo hahahaha sorry! i was looking at the post 5 above that one, and was scratching my head.

that would be a grote lamp you spy...lots of em haha! I interned there for a summer. Awesome stuff, and millions worth of lab equipment all at my fingertips...damn well better bet I made a killer set of lights for my 69 cutlass, and i lost all my pictures to my last laptop crashing on me. I still have a harddrive in my closet that may have somethin on it...

but yah, for everyone's safety, this is an important modification in my opinion...BUT i dont think anyone here is necessarily half-assing anything. I just think we all have to do trial by error. Havent we all done something that we thought was great, and then been like WTF was I thinking down the road ya know? I should be getting some boxes tommorow to start helping us all be more edumucated!

 

[Flyin Ryan]

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I fully agree with you on the need for HID systems to be engineered versus half-assed bulb replacements.

so who was this directed at?

 

[odium]

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Directed at nobody, I say ^5 to you too for realizing the same need. Redneckwonder is adding a lot of helpful, technical information to the thread, so I singled him out.

 

[redneckwonder]

Re: HID head light conversion interest?

ive got pictures....well two boxes came today. one was totally the wrong thing, and the other one had some good stuff, but not all of it. anyways, heres the beam pattern of the low beam HID and high beam halogen if I were to use this approach. Keep in mind these are reflectors, not projectors, so no bug eyes...these are in fact DOT spec, OEM production lenses, its just that I am going to be cutting them up and moving things around, molding, sanding, painting, etc. to get them into the final design. pictures at 22 feet or so...

high beam

here is a Paint version of what the headlight would look like, in my head. thanks to JustDSM for the picture!

 

[Flyin Ryan]

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nice job redneckwonder :tup:

I finally got home early enough tonite from the hospital (just had our first baby!) where people wouldn't complain about the noisy old pickup

and drove it a few miles and snapped a few pics of the HID lights... both low and high beams and I was actually pretty happy with the results concidering it was a kit and was reasonably priced and simple as hell to install.

I feel the low beam cutoff is good but here's the pics I took.. oh and sorry about the blurry nes didn't realize I had the "macro" on until the end

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/boostedpimp/syty shizle/HID Conversion/DSC08391.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/boostedpimp/syty shizle/HID Conversion/DSC08390.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/boostedpimp/syty shizle/HID Conversion/DSC08389.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/boostedpimp/syty shizle/HID Conversion/DSC08395.jpg

and for the money shots

Low beam about twenty feet away from a cinder block wall (back of few stores)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/boostedpimp/syty shizle/HID Conversion/DSC08409.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/boostedpimp/syty shizle/HID Conversion/DSC08408.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/boostedpimp/syty shizle/HID Conversion/DSC08398.jpg

High beam on the same cinder block wall at the same distance as above
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/boostedpimp/syty shizle/HID Conversion/DSC08410.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/boostedpimp/syty shizle/HID Conversion/DSC08402.jpg


Low beam about twenty feet (in my driveway)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/boostedpimp/syty shizle/HID Conversion/DSC08411.jpg

High beam in the driveway at same distance as above
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/boostedpimp/syty shizle/HID Conversion/DSC08412.jpg

Feel free to let me k now what you guys think.. but Im very happy with them

 

[redneckwonder]

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congrats on the baby!!! Thats more important than anything we got goin, here on the InTaRwEb!

my first thought on those shots are this:

Its not bad for the price you paid! Its better than I expected.

heres an MS Paint rendering of how I think you should adjust those. This is a rough idea, maybe not to the tee. Notice the cutoff line in black, the road sign on the right, and where I circled, suggesting you get that light bulge over closer to the right side of the truck.

The only drawback to these adjustments though is you lose full road coverage due to having to aim the lights in certain areas...here is an example of what kind of output you can get with the same wattage and power consumption:

 

[redneckwonder]

Re: HID head light conversion interest?

progress is slowly being made...Im trying to balance working on this and studying.

Heres a 50 foot shot of the low beam pattern of what the new headlight will have. This is only one headlamp and its not installed, thats why its crooked. Notice the smooth ground coverage and clean cutoff...

and heres a shot for all you fog light guys...

the on road output is pretty similar for both. Im going to call into some of my engineering friends at Grote and see what the legal differences are between "driving lights" and low beams.

Is anyone else excited?

 

[H-TOWN-TYPHOON]

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Is anyone else excited?

Looks great :tup:

 

[redneckwonder]

Re: HID head light conversion interest?

How To Prepare A Headlight:
1. Preheat oven to 225 degrees.
2. Pick out a suitable donor for your cannibalizing.
3. Cover donor in your favorite spices( I prefer nutmeg and basil)
4. Cook for 25 minutes or until well deformed.

5. Tear into it!

 

[redneckwonder]

Re: HID head light conversion interest?

OK HERE IT IS GENTLEMEN. This is my first creation...

Specs:

Aftermarket Diamond Clear Housings

ALL of the electronics are OEM parts, the same manufacturer that supplies the new Z06 HIDS.

ZERO Cutting on your truck to install them( see pics). Factory adjusters will work just fine. Just bolt them in and go!

The unit is sealed up as good as any H4 Conversion you can buy.

LOW BEAM ONLY pattern. Of course I am working on a high beam solution, but some of you dont seem to care, and may not think the extra expense is worth it. Here is the real output of ONE of these lights. Two will obviously be brighter. These also put out some nice shimmer under the cutoff if that's something you are into.

The optics in use are DOT compliant, HOWEVER, I have changed the housing, so therefore it is not technically street legal, but the optics themselves are.

You have a choice of leaving the sealed beam housing chrome, or body colored to your vehicle, no extra charge.

The set will come with everything needed to run them , EXCEPT for a wiring harness ( working on that.) All you have to do is pick up some 9006 connectors at Auto Zone for $3/side.

The pictures here are the final product unless chosen to be body colored. The four silver screws you see WILL BE CHANGED, to stainless steel cap screws with TORX heads for a nice mechanical look. Everything is either plastic, painted, glass, stainless, or aluminum.

For the first set, I am only going to charge $425.If someone else ALSO wants a set, sweet talk me and I'll donate my labor to make another set. I honestly don't know what will happen to the price, as I may find less/more expensive solutions, etc.

If you send me H4 Clear lenses, knock off $50. Thats what a set costs me. So, heres an option! Takers???