HID head light conversion interest?
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redneckwonder
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Re: HID head light conversion interest?
Hello everyone. I know you guys have been talkin about these HID's for a while and some of you are SERIOUSLY ready to do this. SO, I am putting an offer out on the table. I know that a few guys have product to offer and that is fine. What I am offering is that if ONE person wants to step up and "rolling fund" a complete set up, I will build a complete conversion for the SyTy. You can pick whether you want Bi-Xenon or Single Projector, the Kelvin rating, and the lense design( stock, crystal cut, etc.) I will do ONE setup for COST, basically you get the parts to me,and pay shipping, and I can handle the rest. It will come with correct wiring harness, all you do is mount the ballast and connect the wiring. I did my first conversion at 16 and as of now have done 5 conversions, from a Bel-Air to a 69 Cutlass to my 97 Sonoma with Composite headlights. I will also send this offer out for a set of fog lights too.
HERES WHY IM DOING THIS----> Im in college, its winter, I dont have alot of extra funds, but I do have access to my tools and some very nice tools of a friend, and I have alot of experience with this, so I want to provide serious people a serious kit that could take 10-20 hours and maybe make me 100-200 bucks. Its a win-win in my eyes. You get my experience, I get pizza and beer! I hope this isn't breaking forum rules, but if it is, I may even try and pay for some sort of advertisement. Feel free to PM me,
Hello everyone. I know you guys have been talkin about these HID's for a while and some of you are SERIOUSLY ready to do this. SO, I am putting an offer out on the table. I know that a few guys have product to offer and that is fine. What I am offering is that if ONE person wants to step up and "rolling fund" a complete set up, I will build a complete conversion for the SyTy. You can pick whether you want Bi-Xenon or Single Projector, the Kelvin rating, and the lense design( stock, crystal cut, etc.) I will do ONE setup for COST, basically you get the parts to me,and pay shipping, and I can handle the rest. It will come with correct wiring harness, all you do is mount the ballast and connect the wiring. I did my first conversion at 16 and as of now have done 5 conversions, from a Bel-Air to a 69 Cutlass to my 97 Sonoma with Composite headlights. I will also send this offer out for a set of fog lights too.
HERES WHY IM DOING THIS----> Im in college, its winter, I dont have alot of extra funds, but I do have access to my tools and some very nice tools of a friend, and I have alot of experience with this, so I want to provide serious people a serious kit that could take 10-20 hours and maybe make me 100-200 bucks. Its a win-win in my eyes. You get my experience, I get pizza and beer! I hope this isn't breaking forum rules, but if it is, I may even try and pay for some sort of advertisement. Feel free to PM me,
Re: HID head light conversion interest?
I bought a pair just like that and they were crap. the Magnifying glass they put in there came loose and was rattling around, also the tiny metal supports bend easliy and then the "projector" gets off center.
THEMADTYPH00N said:
I bought a pair just like that and they were crap. the Magnifying glass they put in there came loose and was rattling around, also the tiny metal supports bend easliy and then the "projector" gets off center.
redneckwonder
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Re: HID head light conversion interest?
yes and no Sir,
The rebased burners that simply screw into a factory housing just don't work up to snuff.
I am ready to integrate a stock "housing" and install a true Xenon projector inside of it. Total light control, high/low beam capability, DOT, true, centered, level, bolt in kit.
keith455 said:
yes and no Sir,
The rebased burners that simply screw into a factory housing just don't work up to snuff.
I am ready to integrate a stock "housing" and install a true Xenon projector inside of it. Total light control, high/low beam capability, DOT, true, centered, level, bolt in kit.
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warmpancakes
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Re: HID head light conversion interest?
Just a FYI they will NOT be DOT compliant it is against FMVS to retrofit HID into a vehicle not original equipped in michigan its a defective equip ticket and they can impound car
redneckwonder said:
Just a FYI they will NOT be DOT compliant it is against FMVS to retrofit HID into a vehicle not original equipped in michigan its a defective equip ticket and they can impound car
redneckwonder
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Re: HID head light conversion interest?
well stock headlight glass can be cut, we did that on the flip up 79 stingray headlights that had factory 5.25" rounds for high beams and low beams, four total.
However, that is trial by error and we went through 9 headlights to get 4 that didnt shatter. What I would reccomend is aftermarket "clear lensed units" that you can get off ebay, and you mount the projector behind the clear glass lense, as this helps protect the optic fresnel and keeps you away from cut glass edges. You cant mount projectors behind the factory pillow optics, so either cutting through stockers or sitting behind repro's are the only option.
MRKING said:
well stock headlight glass can be cut, we did that on the flip up 79 stingray headlights that had factory 5.25" rounds for high beams and low beams, four total.
However, that is trial by error and we went through 9 headlights to get 4 that didnt shatter. What I would reccomend is aftermarket "clear lensed units" that you can get off ebay, and you mount the projector behind the clear glass lense, as this helps protect the optic fresnel and keeps you away from cut glass edges. You cant mount projectors behind the factory pillow optics, so either cutting through stockers or sitting behind repro's are the only option.
Flyin Ryan
hated cuz he drives fords
Re: HID head light conversion interest?
so what makes this any different from what my original post in this thread is about? I mean the kit I have is a bi-xeon kit and is all weather pack connectors in a all glass autopal housing.. fits like a charm and i've actually reinstalled it two days ago in the dark in my driveway in under 30 minutes.. So what exactly would you be doing that's different or would benefit the syty community more?
redneckwonder said:
so what makes this any different from what my original post in this thread is about? I mean the kit I have is a bi-xeon kit and is all weather pack connectors in a all glass autopal housing.. fits like a charm and i've actually reinstalled it two days ago in the dark in my driveway in under 30 minutes.. So what exactly would you be doing that's different or would benefit the syty community more?
redneckwonder
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Re: HID head light conversion interest?
Ok, let me try to break this down into two parts, just for clarity:
The Kit You Listed:
1. Uses pillow optic lense( based on pictures you linked). This is worse than the Ebay clear diamond cut lenses. Pillow optics for halogen bulbs and pillow optics for HID's are totally different in design. An HID produces roughly 5 times more lumens than a halogen. Small amounts of light are now large amounts and large amounts are now tractor beams blinding oncoming drivers.
2. The kit you listed can not be bi-xenon UNLESS the following:
a) vehicle has four headlamps( syty's dont)
b) the source( the gas chamber of the burner) is movable 1 mm within
the housing, and it isnt. That light shield looks to be stationary. Even
if the slit moved, your only changing the angle of output, not
the source. Output will be scarce at best.
c) the burner has two gas chambers, which this one doesnt. The way most
kits claim this is by adding an h3 bulb off to the side. It's extremely
wrong mathematically and still not true Bi-Xenon. This kit does
not have that.
The Idea That I am Offering:
1. Uses a controlled dispersion method, aka the projector. This looks like a giant eyeball and the burner is inserted into the rear portion of this. These are professionally made to DOT tolerance and are only intended for HID bulbs. This elimates optic design discrepancies, glare, stray light, etc. By using a clear lense off Ebay or the like, with no optics in the front of the housing, the light passes out the projector, throught the lense and onto the road as safely desired.
2. The projector retro offers true Hi/Low "Bi-Xenon" capability for those that still want full functionality of the system. This is acheived by an electronic "flapper" that is engaged just by flipping your normal high beam stalk in your truck. The optics work, you just have to trust me if this doesn't make sense. There are no secondary halogen bulbs slapped in or misguided optics to throw stray light.
However one may not care and could opt for a single xenon function projector, which would look the same, but with no hi beam capability. The only other way to obtain high beams outside of using a bi-xenon projector would be to use four single beam projectors. You could stuff two in each one, but it would be a nightmare getting them to fit. But where theres a will, theres a way.
So there are the differences, one being design quality, and two being functionality. I dont want to come off as pushy at all, this is merely just an offer.
I believe I am bringing a safer, more reliable alternative to the table for anyone who is interested.
In my humble opinion, I feel we are comparing for example an "Ebay Turbo" to one you may source from "RPM motors", if that helps us motor heads. Will it work? Sure. Would I buy one? Depends on my budget.
Flyin Ryan said:
Ok, let me try to break this down into two parts, just for clarity:
The Kit You Listed:
1. Uses pillow optic lense( based on pictures you linked). This is worse than the Ebay clear diamond cut lenses. Pillow optics for halogen bulbs and pillow optics for HID's are totally different in design. An HID produces roughly 5 times more lumens than a halogen. Small amounts of light are now large amounts and large amounts are now tractor beams blinding oncoming drivers.
2. The kit you listed can not be bi-xenon UNLESS the following:
a) vehicle has four headlamps( syty's dont)
b) the source( the gas chamber of the burner) is movable 1 mm within
the housing, and it isnt. That light shield looks to be stationary. Even
if the slit moved, your only changing the angle of output, not
the source. Output will be scarce at best.
c) the burner has two gas chambers, which this one doesnt. The way most
kits claim this is by adding an h3 bulb off to the side. It's extremely
wrong mathematically and still not true Bi-Xenon. This kit does
not have that.
The Idea That I am Offering:
1. Uses a controlled dispersion method, aka the projector. This looks like a giant eyeball and the burner is inserted into the rear portion of this. These are professionally made to DOT tolerance and are only intended for HID bulbs. This elimates optic design discrepancies, glare, stray light, etc. By using a clear lense off Ebay or the like, with no optics in the front of the housing, the light passes out the projector, throught the lense and onto the road as safely desired.
2. The projector retro offers true Hi/Low "Bi-Xenon" capability for those that still want full functionality of the system. This is acheived by an electronic "flapper" that is engaged just by flipping your normal high beam stalk in your truck. The optics work, you just have to trust me if this doesn't make sense. There are no secondary halogen bulbs slapped in or misguided optics to throw stray light.
However one may not care and could opt for a single xenon function projector, which would look the same, but with no hi beam capability. The only other way to obtain high beams outside of using a bi-xenon projector would be to use four single beam projectors. You could stuff two in each one, but it would be a nightmare getting them to fit. But where theres a will, theres a way.
So there are the differences, one being design quality, and two being functionality. I dont want to come off as pushy at all, this is merely just an offer.
I believe I am bringing a safer, more reliable alternative to the table for anyone who is interested.
In my humble opinion, I feel we are comparing for example an "Ebay Turbo" to one you may source from "RPM motors", if that helps us motor heads. Will it work? Sure. Would I buy one? Depends on my budget.
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MRKING
New Parts for Old Trucks
Re: HID head light conversion interest?
For best results in this hesitant community ,whip up an actual finished product thats installed and working properly . If you originally wanted to use the stock housings but admit a 50% shatter possibility , I would say thats a not an option .
The last gp that started out asking for money before parts came to fruition , didnt end so well . People are still looking for that guy
I would like to purchase a hid kit from somewhere , and although you posted some good valid points , some statements hurt the cause as well . Looks/functionality/cost are the deciding factors . I just cant finance a project on cleverly typed words alone .
Happy turkey day . I am interested to see what you come up with .
For best results in this hesitant community ,whip up an actual finished product thats installed and working properly . If you originally wanted to use the stock housings but admit a 50% shatter possibility , I would say thats a not an option .
The last gp that started out asking for money before parts came to fruition , didnt end so well . People are still looking for that guy
I would like to purchase a hid kit from somewhere , and although you posted some good valid points , some statements hurt the cause as well . Looks/functionality/cost are the deciding factors . I just cant finance a project on cleverly typed words alone .
Happy turkey day . I am interested to see what you come up with .
redneckwonder
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Re: HID head light conversion interest?
Keith 455, that is exactly what I am talking about!! Yes, its not the first ever done thats for sure, but it sure dont look to shabby... let me link an EXAMPLE ( read: NOT MINE)...
this picture is from LittoDevil over an another forum. He is an awesome fabricator and this is HIS work. I just want to make that clear. I am only showing the picture to give people a mental image. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c113/bcarr1970/hid.jpg
MrKING,
You are correct, I should whip up a finished product, let me see what I can come up with. Its obviously a busy season for everyone. I would reccomend like you say staying away from cutting holes in glass, its just teh hard way to do things.Ebay housings are great for shelter. As far as the last GP went, yah I remember that. Thats exactly what I Don't need. I tried to express that I was willing to do "ONE" complete mock up at cost for the first volunteer, so that way people werent sitting around waiting on something. I am sorry if I hurt the cause here at all, I really do want to help. And thats why I dont want tell anyone that the kits on here are the devil, because they will infact work, and will be usable, but it might not be the *best* way. But more than anything, lets all post up all our questions and concerns and we can be sure to cover all the bases. Everyone enjoy your families today and I will see what I can whip up to give people an idea...P.S. I was thinking of doing a "running" "photo laden" build on here if something were to come to fruition. Happy Thanksgiving!!!
MRKING said:For best results in this hesitant community ,whip up an actual finished product thats installed and working properly . If you originally wanted to use the stock housings but admit a 50% shatter possibility , I would say thats a not an option .
The last gp that started out asking for money before parts came to fruition , didnt end so well . People are still looking for that guy
I would like to purchase a hid kit from somewhere , and although you posted some good valid points , some statements hurt the cause as well . Looks/functionality/cost are the deciding factors . I just cant finance a project on cleverly typed words alone .
Happy turkey day . I am interested to see what you come up with .
Keith 455, that is exactly what I am talking about!! Yes, its not the first ever done thats for sure, but it sure dont look to shabby... let me link an EXAMPLE ( read: NOT MINE)...
this picture is from LittoDevil over an another forum. He is an awesome fabricator and this is HIS work. I just want to make that clear. I am only showing the picture to give people a mental image. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c113/bcarr1970/hid.jpg
MrKING,
You are correct, I should whip up a finished product, let me see what I can come up with. Its obviously a busy season for everyone. I would reccomend like you say staying away from cutting holes in glass, its just teh hard way to do things.Ebay housings are great for shelter. As far as the last GP went, yah I remember that. Thats exactly what I Don't need. I tried to express that I was willing to do "ONE" complete mock up at cost for the first volunteer, so that way people werent sitting around waiting on something. I am sorry if I hurt the cause here at all, I really do want to help. And thats why I dont want tell anyone that the kits on here are the devil, because they will infact work, and will be usable, but it might not be the *best* way. But more than anything, lets all post up all our questions and concerns and we can be sure to cover all the bases. Everyone enjoy your families today and I will see what I can whip up to give people an idea...P.S. I was thinking of doing a "running" "photo laden" build on here if something were to come to fruition. Happy Thanksgiving!!!
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Re: HID head light conversion interest?
I think someone beat you to this. http://www.streetbeatcustoms.com/rectangle.html
I think someone beat you to this. http://www.streetbeatcustoms.com/rectangle.html
redneckwonder
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Re: HID head light conversion interest?
Man I just got done eating, I can barely see the screen...
Nice Find! I have never seen those and Ive seen alot of this type of thing. They look good, my only questions are, is it real xenon, what is included for $500, and what is the front lense made of. The site kind of lacks details...I will try and find some other reviews or reads on it.
PARDON MY IGNORANCE! BUT is a syty 7x6 sealed beam or 4x6 sealed beam? Doesnt make a difference, just wondering.
Thanks!
Man I just got done eating, I can barely see the screen...
Nice Find! I have never seen those and Ive seen alot of this type of thing. They look good, my only questions are, is it real xenon, what is included for $500, and what is the front lense made of. The site kind of lacks details...I will try and find some other reviews or reads on it.
PARDON MY IGNORANCE! BUT is a syty 7x6 sealed beam or 4x6 sealed beam? Doesnt make a difference, just wondering.
Thanks!
redneckwonder
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Re: HID head light conversion interest?
something tells me that streetbeat kit is maybe lenses only, because heres the same thing http://www.spitzkraft.com/detail.php?item=13&numlow=1 but for $1000, and it includes everything.
something tells me that streetbeat kit is maybe lenses only, because heres the same thing http://www.spitzkraft.com/detail.php?item=13&numlow=1 but for $1000, and it includes everything.
Flyin Ryan
hated cuz he drives fords
Re: HID head light conversion interest?
Sorry man but mine ARE bi-xenon and work like OEM from the factory stalk. Problem is I hardly ever need the hi beams and there is NO H4 secondary for the high beam like the cheap-o kits i've seen. Also It's a total plug and play setup and like I said before, took me literately 30 to 35 minutes at most to install and the hardest part was trying to figure out where to mount everything and how to hide the wiring.
alright.. going to post allot of pictures so sorry 56k peeps
redneckwonder said:
Sorry man but mine ARE bi-xenon and work like OEM from the factory stalk. Problem is I hardly ever need the hi beams and there is NO H4 secondary for the high beam like the cheap-o kits i've seen. Also It's a total plug and play setup and like I said before, took me literately 30 to 35 minutes at most to install and the hardest part was trying to figure out where to mount everything and how to hide the wiring.
alright.. going to post allot of pictures so sorry 56k peeps
Flyin Ryan
hated cuz he drives fords
Re: HID head light conversion interest?
So if these h4 housings that im using were worse then the ebay ones then I would have tons of cut off and scattered light all over the place right?
How's my cutoff look to you?
Don't mind my dirty truck and massive amount of leafs... spent allot of time at the hospital last night
I'll get more later tonite when it's dark out.. problem is if I start the truck up too late people complain and call the cops since everyone's soo stuck up around this area
Oh yea haven't even adjusted them at all yet.. just slapped the glass autopal housings in and installed the HID kit.. doesn't see bad at all to me especially since i've seen kits where light was all over the place
Later
Ryan
redneckwonder said:
So if these h4 housings that im using were worse then the ebay ones then I would have tons of cut off and scattered light all over the place right?
How's my cutoff look to you?
Don't mind my dirty truck and massive amount of leafs... spent allot of time at the hospital last night
I'll get more later tonite when it's dark out.. problem is if I start the truck up too late people complain and call the cops since everyone's soo stuck up around this area
Oh yea haven't even adjusted them at all yet.. just slapped the glass autopal housings in and installed the HID kit.. doesn't see bad at all to me especially since i've seen kits where light was all over the place
Later
Ryan
redneckwonder
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Re: HID head light conversion interest?
well then it must function something like option 2b I listed, which were ways that it could be bi-xenon. Please dont take this offensive, nothing Im posting is meant to be offensive, only informative.
Flyin Ryan said:
well then it must function something like option 2b I listed, which were ways that it could be bi-xenon. Please dont take this offensive, nothing Im posting is meant to be offensive, only informative.