Have Ultimate V9, possible to reprogram with code $59?

[Chrisssssssss]

Hey all,

I have a question. While my motor is being rebuilt, I was thinking about my Ultimate chip. It is the round gauge style and from what I know it is version 9. I am having my truck rebuilt to the same specs as it was when running with the ultimate chip, so I think that the .bins would be compatible, but I know that code $59 is the new rage and probably the way that I will be going, as I like the idea of being in total control of my truck and the tuning. I do however like the ultimate gauge and the ability of swapping tuning options on the fly. Is it possible to tune with $59 then upload the resulting .bin onto the Ultimate? That way I can customize the tune and upload whatever tunes that I want onto the ultimate and be able to still have the security and valet settings and stuff. What would be necessary to be able to do this conversion and to reburn the eprom myself?

Thanks
Chris

 

[dgoodhue]

Re: Have Ultimate V9, possible to reprogram with code $59?

The problem is that the Ultimate (code $58) bin are 16k, Code $59 Bin are 32K. You could modify a Ulitmate to work.

 

[turbodig]

Re: Have Ultimate V9, possible to reprogram with code $59?

You'll need a moates G3 board, and you'll also have to make a new cable from the gauge to the ECM (or rewire the old one). (Plus reprogramming for code59)

Kinda of a pain, but it can be done.

 

[Chrisssssssss]

Re: Have Ultimate V9, possible to reprogram with code $59?

hmmm,

I guess I have to decide whether or not it it is worth the effort to make it work or not. I will look into that. I guess I can sell it off and use the proceeds to go full $59. I think that I will have some figuring to do.

 

[turbodig]

Re: Have Ultimate V9, possible to reprogram with code $59?

In all honesty, It would be far simpler to buy the moates switch device and a G3. You'll have the switching functionality with a lot less work.

 

[Chrisssssssss]

Re: Have Ultimate V9, possible to reprogram with code $59?

ok,

well, I am not scared about the technical work involved like soldering new cables or the computer stuff as I am kinda a tech type and do computers for a living, even not too scared about the flashing and the related issues, but I think that the ultimate is "The Ultimate" in cool looking gauges and would like the look of it and if I could reprogram the display to say what I want, even cooler... but I was curious if anyone has actually done it and could verify if it actually can be done, or provide some guidance to the procedure. If it is completely foreign territory, I don't think that I am quite up for that battle...

Mentioned that the ultimate bins are 16k vs 32k for $59. Is this a huge issue? or is there a way that this can play nice? I guess what I think I may be looking to do is use the ultimate gauge as the switcher to a code $59 set of bins, with possibility of my own text on screen.

By the looks of the response I am getting, methinks it hasn't really been tried. Has there been any successful attempts to do anything like this? Anyone? Bueller?, Bueller?

Just a bit of a thought at this stage, but I am just curious if it is worth the effort. When I get the truck back, I will see how the Ultimate performs, but can't help thinking that I would not be getting the most out of the truck as far as performance and just a general effective and efficient tune that a custom specific $59 tune for my truck would bring.

Thanks for the replies so far, but if anyone has anything else to bring...

Cheers
Chris

 

[turbodig]

Re: Have Ultimate V9, possible to reprogram with code $59?

I've done several of them. They work just fine once you get the cabling right.
(I'm not interested in doing any more)

You can make a cable out of some Cat 5 and some box pin connectors. It takes a bit of time to build the cable, but it can be done if you're persistent. It takes some knowledge of chip addressing to make the conversion.

The 32k conversion is a must. Code59 is a 32k codebase.

 

[Chrisssssssss]

Re: Have Ultimate V9, possible to reprogram with code $59?

Hey Turbodig,

You mentioned that you have an idea on the cable design, would it be possible to clarify some schematics for me?

And for the 32k conversion, to use it with the ultimate chip, I am trying get my head around this concept. Please correct me if I am wrong...

-Cable has to be made to go from? Ultimate gauge to new chip? Not quite sure if I quite got the idea with what exactly I am needing cables for?

-conversion of the code59 bin for what? I know that the ultimate chip is 16k, so would I be taking the resulting code59 bin that I tune and convert it to 16k so that I can reprogram the ultimate with it?

I am thinking that this is a big issue and that I may just go straight code59. Though I have never really backed down from a good challenge, however there is limits...

edit: Actually some of my questions are answered in the code59 forum that I am reading right now. I will look into that as you and a few others have posted some really solid info there and I am going to study that. I will post back either here or there if I have any questions. It does look like it is possible though.

Cheers
Chris

 

[midnightbluS10]

Re: Have Ultimate V9, possible to reprogram with code $59?

conversion of the code59 bin for what? I know that the ultimate chip is 16k, so would I be taking the resulting code59 bin that I tune and convert it to 16k so that I can reprogram the ultimate with it?

I think what dig is saying is you can't use $59 bins with 16k period. The ultimate has to be converted to use 32k bins. Not converting the $59 bins to 16k. I could be wrong, but that's the way I read it.

 

[JSM]

Re: Have Ultimate V9, possible to reprogram with code $59?

I think what dig is saying is you can't use $59 bins with 16k period. The ultimate has to be converted to use 32k bins. Not converting the $59 bins to 16k. I could be wrong, but that's the way I read it.

100% correct, code59 had to take a larger footprint due to the additions we have done to it. no way to convert it back to a 16k footprint without removing the code.

I would study and understand how the multichip selectors work, how addressing in rom's work, etc. If you don't understand that you really SOL. Even if dig gave you a full schematic which is probably not #1 on his to do list at home you still need to understand it IMO.