Got spanked last night!!!
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Matt
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Re: Got spanked last night!!!
A buddy of mine has a pretty evil twin charged GTP (supercharged and turboed) put down about 490 wheel horse power on a mustang dyno http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=octbfuRjRNI&feature=related sound is messed up :lol:
A buddy of mine has a pretty evil twin charged GTP (supercharged and turboed) put down about 490 wheel horse power on a mustang dyno http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=octbfuRjRNI&feature=related sound is messed up :lol:
UK-Ty
Ty Crazy
Re: Got spanked last night!!!
I agree I had an 89 T/A 350 GTA and after 70mph im sure my Ty would have no chance. Damn i miss my GTA
but not enough to sell my Ty to get another.
I agree I had an 89 T/A 350 GTA and after 70mph im sure my Ty would have no chance. Damn i miss my GTA
but not enough to sell my Ty to get another.
Next Phase
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Re: Got spanked last night!!!
Racing from 75 mph isn't your friend... especially with the aerodynamics of the truck and the fact that it is an auto (especially if you are racing a manual car).
Racing from 75 mph isn't your friend... especially with the aerodynamics of the truck and the fact that it is an auto (especially if you are racing a manual car).
NJSERRANO
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Re: Got spanked last night!!!
I had a 2000 Bonneville SSEi with pulley, intake, full exhaust and good tuning...lotsa fun on the freeway til governor. I surprised a lot of people.
Since it was totalled, I replaced it with a Syclone 2 weeks ago...couldn't be happier!
Some chick attempted a u-turn while on a one-way street, we hit head-on
I had a 2000 Bonneville SSEi with pulley, intake, full exhaust and good tuning...lotsa fun on the freeway til governor. I surprised a lot of people.
Since it was totalled, I replaced it with a Syclone 2 weeks ago...couldn't be happier!
Some chick attempted a u-turn while on a one-way street, we hit head-on
mrweelr
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Re: Got spanked last night!!!
Do heads, cam, bigger turbo, injectors, headers and a good tune and you will have your top end. I've had mine up to 140mph and it was still pulling hard. Need C6 Z06 brakes on this truck, the 13" Baers are cooked and I don't like driving the beast it without good brakes.
Do heads, cam, bigger turbo, injectors, headers and a good tune and you will have your top end. I've had mine up to 140mph and it was still pulling hard. Need C6 Z06 brakes on this truck, the 13" Baers are cooked and I don't like driving the beast it without good brakes.
Re: Got spanked last night!!!
these trucks are NOT the aerodynamic bricks that people claim them to be. They don't top end because they have too much aero drag, they don't top end because the stock cylinder head has no flow and the camshaft is small. Look at a NHRA Super Stock S10. They run the number without issue. By the end of the year, one that I tune will be a National Record Holder unless we don't want the index changed. I'll post it when it happens. It has a 12K rpm small block that has plenty of top end (with an automatic) and the body does not hold it back. It's newer than our trucks but there is not that much of a difference.
I used to run an old Chrysler 300F that has the frontal area equivalent to the side of my house. 440 with Indy cylinder heads. Well over 5000 lbs. Ran 9.90's at 130's. Plenty of aero drag with this car but the top end didn't show it. Bet the big roller and Indy heads had something to do with it.
How does Frank run the numbers in his Ty, Alex too (among others). They havn't reshaped their trucks. Neither of the aforementioned has stock heads and cam though.
Make it breath and it will run. Simple basic engine building concepts.
Want top end. Go Vortec's and a cam. Of course, you can then go with a bigger turbo ect... Where does it stop???
these trucks are NOT the aerodynamic bricks that people claim them to be. They don't top end because they have too much aero drag, they don't top end because the stock cylinder head has no flow and the camshaft is small. Look at a NHRA Super Stock S10. They run the number without issue. By the end of the year, one that I tune will be a National Record Holder unless we don't want the index changed. I'll post it when it happens. It has a 12K rpm small block that has plenty of top end (with an automatic) and the body does not hold it back. It's newer than our trucks but there is not that much of a difference.
I used to run an old Chrysler 300F that has the frontal area equivalent to the side of my house. 440 with Indy cylinder heads. Well over 5000 lbs. Ran 9.90's at 130's. Plenty of aero drag with this car but the top end didn't show it. Bet the big roller and Indy heads had something to do with it.
How does Frank run the numbers in his Ty, Alex too (among others). They havn't reshaped their trucks. Neither of the aforementioned has stock heads and cam though.
Make it breath and it will run. Simple basic engine building concepts.
Want top end. Go Vortec's and a cam. Of course, you can then go with a bigger turbo ect... Where does it stop???
Re: Got spanked last night!!!
These trucks are always going to be slower on freeway pulls in comparison to a car that has the same weight/power. All wheel drive and being the shape of a box makes these trucks a poor performer at freeway speeds. The Syclone's are not as bad as the Ty's but they still are not good. AWD is much better suited for in town, stop light to stop light racing, not freeway racing.
This is one major difference coming from the fbody world. I had a solid roller lt1 and it wasn't much fun stop light to stop light but on the freeway it would definitely pull. If a you want to race your Ty on the freeway, you are not ever going to be king. Stop light racing however, you could easily be one of the quickest.
These trucks are always going to be slower on freeway pulls in comparison to a car that has the same weight/power. All wheel drive and being the shape of a box makes these trucks a poor performer at freeway speeds. The Syclone's are not as bad as the Ty's but they still are not good. AWD is much better suited for in town, stop light to stop light racing, not freeway racing.
This is one major difference coming from the fbody world. I had a solid roller lt1 and it wasn't much fun stop light to stop light but on the freeway it would definitely pull. If a you want to race your Ty on the freeway, you are not ever going to be king. Stop light racing however, you could easily be one of the quickest.
Re: Got spanked last night!!!
What makes you think the Ty's are worse than the Sy's? They have the same frontal area, smaller mirrors and a smooth roof (for those without a roof rack) compared to a small cab with a bed and high air turbulance bahind the cab.
The awd will take more power than the aerodynamics. These trucks are NOT the air bricks many think they are. Having engineer friends with a wind tunnel is proof (thanks pratt & whitney). (oh snap-did I just say that?)
Solid roler in a lt1. Not a recipe for low end power. No wonder you were a highway roller rather than a stop light terror. Aerodynamic drag limitations do not play a big factor with the speeds we are running. And how was your fbody geared? Steep for quick sprints or high for highway runs. Kind of like a Supra. No low end but a highway terror for sure. A TT 6 speed car is a 180 mph car stock but guys can't get a 1/4 mile et to save their lives. Can't have it all (well-most of the time)
What makes you think the Ty's are worse than the Sy's? They have the same frontal area, smaller mirrors and a smooth roof (for those without a roof rack) compared to a small cab with a bed and high air turbulance bahind the cab.
The awd will take more power than the aerodynamics. These trucks are NOT the air bricks many think they are. Having engineer friends with a wind tunnel is proof (thanks pratt & whitney). (oh snap-did I just say that?)
Solid roler in a lt1. Not a recipe for low end power. No wonder you were a highway roller rather than a stop light terror. Aerodynamic drag limitations do not play a big factor with the speeds we are running. And how was your fbody geared? Steep for quick sprints or high for highway runs. Kind of like a Supra. No low end but a highway terror for sure. A TT 6 speed car is a 180 mph car stock but guys can't get a 1/4 mile et to save their lives. Can't have it all (well-most of the time)
Re: Got spanked last night!!!
AWD = more weight
Ty = more weight than SY
^ = slower acceleration at highway speeds.
I don't care what people SAY about wind tunnels. If you have unbiased documentation stating the results of wind tunnel testing for a Ty or Sy, please post it.
My LT1 had a 9" rear end with 4.11 gears and a 6 speed. The reason why it was not so good stop light to stop light is due to the lack of traction. If I were to put a set of sub-frame connectors on the car with some slicks, I would get some really good 60' times. But I never got around to it because I didn't care too much for ET. MPH is a much better representation of the amount of power a car is making.
92 S10 Drag coefficient = .45 http://www.syty.net/forums//showthread.php?p=195114
07 Grand Prix Drag coefficient = .31 http://www.cars.com/pontiac/grand-prix/2007/specs/
That is a 45% increase in Drag coefficient. That will make a difference - especially at 60 mph+. No two ways around it, if you weigh more, are less aerodynamic, and AWD, you are going to need quite a bit more power to be competitive on the freeway. Your opinion of "air bricks" is subjective but most people agree, Sy's/Ty's are at a disadvantage via aerodynamics.
To be honest, anyone coming from an f-body needs to set their expectations correctly. First things first, you better have more money. Secondly, more patience. Third, well, just accept you are going to have a much more difficult time making your Sy/Ty as fast as the average bolt on f-body. Even when it does turn the same ET as your f-body did, your f-body will feel much better on the freeway while the Ty will be much more fun from a stop.
AWD = more weight
Ty = more weight than SY
^ = slower acceleration at highway speeds.
I don't care what people SAY about wind tunnels. If you have unbiased documentation stating the results of wind tunnel testing for a Ty or Sy, please post it.
My LT1 had a 9" rear end with 4.11 gears and a 6 speed. The reason why it was not so good stop light to stop light is due to the lack of traction. If I were to put a set of sub-frame connectors on the car with some slicks, I would get some really good 60' times. But I never got around to it because I didn't care too much for ET. MPH is a much better representation of the amount of power a car is making.
92 S10 Drag coefficient = .45 http://www.syty.net/forums//showthread.php?p=195114
07 Grand Prix Drag coefficient = .31 http://www.cars.com/pontiac/grand-prix/2007/specs/
That is a 45% increase in Drag coefficient. That will make a difference - especially at 60 mph+. No two ways around it, if you weigh more, are less aerodynamic, and AWD, you are going to need quite a bit more power to be competitive on the freeway. Your opinion of "air bricks" is subjective but most people agree, Sy's/Ty's are at a disadvantage via aerodynamics.
To be honest, anyone coming from an f-body needs to set their expectations correctly. First things first, you better have more money. Secondly, more patience. Third, well, just accept you are going to have a much more difficult time making your Sy/Ty as fast as the average bolt on f-body. Even when it does turn the same ET as your f-body did, your f-body will feel much better on the freeway while the Ty will be much more fun from a stop.
Mtn Z
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Gbodydriver
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Re: Got spanked last night!!!
So funny you posted this.. When I bought my Ty I had my buddy follow me home in my 1999 Regals GS (Same drivetrain). Were on the highway and i decide to try him and I got my ass handed to me by my daily driver. Im sure at a traffic light it would be different but it was funny at the time
So funny you posted this.. When I bought my Ty I had my buddy follow me home in my 1999 Regals GS (Same drivetrain). Were on the highway and i decide to try him and I got my ass handed to me by my daily driver. Im sure at a traffic light it would be different but it was funny at the time
pontiacws699
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Re: Got spanked last night!!!
just take alook at a stock c6z06. They run mid to hugh 11's. A good modded syty that runs high to mid 11's will usually trap 115'ish and the Z will be well into the mid 120's at the same ET. Same with an fbody(modded) that run high to mid 11's, usually round 119-120ish. There just not the best at roll racin. Granted they can run at speeds and when modded can surprise alot of roll racers. If you go from a light or a low speed then the race will be in your corner. And from a light you will usually murder them unless its a modded GCSRT8 or sti ect.//., But runnem anyway. You never know and its fun anyway!:tup:
just take alook at a stock c6z06. They run mid to hugh 11's. A good modded syty that runs high to mid 11's will usually trap 115'ish and the Z will be well into the mid 120's at the same ET. Same with an fbody(modded) that run high to mid 11's, usually round 119-120ish. There just not the best at roll racin. Granted they can run at speeds and when modded can surprise alot of roll racers. If you go from a light or a low speed then the race will be in your corner. And from a light you will usually murder them unless its a modded GCSRT8 or sti ect.//., But runnem anyway. You never know and its fun anyway!:tup:
dgoodhue
BuSTeD 4.3
Re: Got spanked last night!!!
The high traps for Z06 is because they are running street tires. Their are too many variables with modified cars to make those assumptions. With auto the torque converter can make a huge difference. In my years of experience at the track and around race cars, a normal trap for high 11's car is in the 110-115mph.
When I had my C4 Corvette, the consistent combo to have was a 383 with Drag Radials (good traction), when setup properly those guys ran mid 11's at 116mph. 125-127 mph like the Z06's have would be well into the 10's on sticky tires.
The high traps for Z06 is because they are running street tires. Their are too many variables with modified cars to make those assumptions. With auto the torque converter can make a huge difference. In my years of experience at the track and around race cars, a normal trap for high 11's car is in the 110-115mph.
When I had my C4 Corvette, the consistent combo to have was a 383 with Drag Radials (good traction), when setup properly those guys ran mid 11's at 116mph. 125-127 mph like the Z06's have would be well into the 10's on sticky tires.
pontiacws699
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Re: Got spanked last night!!!
agreed, street tires, which mostly what you will come up against on the sreet roll racing. drag radials too but for the most part they will still run those traps. I was just using the traps as a comparison on thestreet. You can use that trap speed and tell if how good it will roll race. all thing considered, driver mod , if you have a car that traps 120 and one that traps 115 even though they run the same et the one that traps 120 will beat the one that traps 115 all day
agreed, street tires, which mostly what you will come up against on the sreet roll racing. drag radials too but for the most part they will still run those traps. I was just using the traps as a comparison on thestreet. You can use that trap speed and tell if how good it will roll race. all thing considered, driver mod , if you have a car that traps 120 and one that traps 115 even though they run the same et the one that traps 120 will beat the one that traps 115 all day
dgoodhue
BuSTeD 4.3
Re: Got spanked last night!!!
Syclone's probably a have a little better drag coefficient than a S-10 due to the cladding (which was based off of the LSR) and 2" drop. Also F-Bodies are now where near .31 c/d, I bet the 4th gen are in the .35-.38 range. However, c/d isn't the only variable in wind resistance, frontal area plays a big part of the equation.
The areo disadvantage eats some top hp over coming wind resistance, the AWD eats even more HP. Having low flow stock heads, small cam and smallish turbo doesn't give a good starting point either. The Turbo Buicks also have poor flowing stock heads. Changing the heads on those engine's makes huge difference in Trap Speeds.
Syclone's probably a have a little better drag coefficient than a S-10 due to the cladding (which was based off of the LSR) and 2" drop. Also F-Bodies are now where near .31 c/d, I bet the 4th gen are in the .35-.38 range. However, c/d isn't the only variable in wind resistance, frontal area plays a big part of the equation.
The areo disadvantage eats some top hp over coming wind resistance, the AWD eats even more HP. Having low flow stock heads, small cam and smallish turbo doesn't give a good starting point either. The Turbo Buicks also have poor flowing stock heads. Changing the heads on those engine's makes huge difference in Trap Speeds.
dgoodhue
BuSTeD 4.3
Mtn Z
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Re: Got spanked last night!!!
Yeah Z06s on a drag radial run 10.70s usually in decent air. They don't hook up on the horrendous stock run-flats. My dad owns a C6 Z06 that I get to drive every once in awhile and it pulls very hard.
Yeah Z06s on a drag radial run 10.70s usually in decent air. They don't hook up on the horrendous stock run-flats. My dad owns a C6 Z06 that I get to drive every once in awhile and it pulls very hard.