FAST Programs?
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Roland Black
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Re: FAST Programs?
rolandbe@comcast.net you can also find out this info by clicking on the name over in the left hand column...... it will give you options, including sending an e-mail. Click on Nightdriver.
I don't believe there is a place for .GCT's...... it was discussed before long time ago, but nuttin become of it. Tooo bad, I think this could be usefull to all, especially newbies to FAST.
rolandbe@comcast.net you can also find out this info by clicking on the name over in the left hand column...... it will give you options, including sending an e-mail. Click on Nightdriver.
I don't believe there is a place for .GCT's...... it was discussed before long time ago, but nuttin become of it. Tooo bad, I think this could be usefull to all, especially newbies to FAST.
JSM
Active member
Re: FAST Programs?
I am sure Paul will be glad to host them on NWSTP.
Have atleast a syty folder full of them.
shoot them pauls way and he will get it done and post a link
paul@nwstp.com
I am sure Paul will be glad to host them on NWSTP.
Have atleast a syty folder full of them.
shoot them pauls way and he will get it done and post a link
paul@nwstp.com
ghettosled
SYTY SUPERSTORE
Re: FAST Programs?
I suppose a TDC check would be in order, however it is an aftermarket SFI balancer so there is little chance of it slipping. I originally thought the truck had water in the tank or bad gas from sitting so long (prior to us getting it), and that we just needed to flush out the tank, however Bill drove the truck all the way from California to Illinios, so i think he most likely flushed the tank.
I know the vortecs take alot more timing, but we started with 19deg and then dropped to 14 to see if it was timing related. still was there, so i assumed it was octane related. 12psi is nothing, but I bet the truck would run well into the 11s with only 12psi.
I suppose a TDC check would be in order, however it is an aftermarket SFI balancer so there is little chance of it slipping. I originally thought the truck had water in the tank or bad gas from sitting so long (prior to us getting it), and that we just needed to flush out the tank, however Bill drove the truck all the way from California to Illinios, so i think he most likely flushed the tank.
I know the vortecs take alot more timing, but we started with 19deg and then dropped to 14 to see if it was timing related. still was there, so i assumed it was octane related. 12psi is nothing, but I bet the truck would run well into the 11s with only 12psi.
Deanzsyclone
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Did you drive it all the way back to ?????, from cali without a tunning session done?
bjzq8 said:
Did you drive it all the way back to ?????, from cali without a tunning session done?
bjzq8
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Re: FAST Programs?
Mike had done some tuning on it, but time constraints with me meant that he didn't have a chance to tweak it much. I kept my foot out of the throttle until I got within my "home sphere"...I wasn't gonna walk.
Tonight I put the fuel pressure gauge on it, put it on 12 psi, and did a 0-100 mph full-throttle run. The fuel pressure went to 62 psi, and stayed there the whole time. Holy CRAP is that thing fast! I figured that it would drop off a bit after 60 or so, but it pulled VERY hard right up to 100, where I stopped. If it were a fuel volume issue, wouldn't the pressure drop off on the high end?
I've probably yakked about it before, but I have an aluminum-head 355 Fiero (engine in the back, transverse,) with 4.10 gears and 245/50 tires. It has run 12.0 before with a slipping clutch, and I know that it could run mid 11's. I kid you not, this Typhoon would very happily blow the doors off of that Fiero, all the way to 140+ mph, which is where the rev limiter hits on the roller skate. If this is 12 psi...I'm afraid of 20!
Mike had done some tuning on it, but time constraints with me meant that he didn't have a chance to tweak it much. I kept my foot out of the throttle until I got within my "home sphere"...I wasn't gonna walk.
Tonight I put the fuel pressure gauge on it, put it on 12 psi, and did a 0-100 mph full-throttle run. The fuel pressure went to 62 psi, and stayed there the whole time. Holy CRAP is that thing fast! I figured that it would drop off a bit after 60 or so, but it pulled VERY hard right up to 100, where I stopped. If it were a fuel volume issue, wouldn't the pressure drop off on the high end?
I've probably yakked about it before, but I have an aluminum-head 355 Fiero (engine in the back, transverse,) with 4.10 gears and 245/50 tires. It has run 12.0 before with a slipping clutch, and I know that it could run mid 11's. I kid you not, this Typhoon would very happily blow the doors off of that Fiero, all the way to 140+ mph, which is where the rev limiter hits on the roller skate. If this is 12 psi...I'm afraid of 20!
ghettosled
SYTY SUPERSTORE
Re: FAST Programs?
We put a solid base program in it, with tuning up to 18psi, but kept running into detonation issues at 12psi + on 91 octane. I figured it was bad gas, since everything else seemed to be consistant with every other build, and due to time constraints we never really figured it out. I'm hoping with some alky injection we can run more boost with the same tuneup. Bill what plugs did we run TR6's?
We put a solid base program in it, with tuning up to 18psi, but kept running into detonation issues at 12psi + on 91 octane. I figured it was bad gas, since everything else seemed to be consistant with every other build, and due to time constraints we never really figured it out. I'm hoping with some alky injection we can run more boost with the same tuneup. Bill what plugs did we run TR6's?
bjzq8
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Re: FAST Programs?
Does this make any sense?
On the advice of a board member (dunno if he wants to be publicly outed, but super thanks to you!), I changed the MAP AE Parameters to 100, 3 and 96, from 170, 6, and 2000. I also changed the cold-start enrichment to end much sooner. In any case, I did three logged runs; 12, 13, and 15 psi; I got a fraction of a second of knock on the 13 psi run, which the computer pulled back with 3 degrees of knock retard. The other two runs were FREE of detonation...It was kinda difficult to launch because the road was wet, but I ran all the way to 100 each time, and the detonation is definately lessened...does this make any sense at all? The only other thing that I can think is that perhaps the higher humidity had something to do with it?
Does this make any sense?
On the advice of a board member (dunno if he wants to be publicly outed, but super thanks to you!), I changed the MAP AE Parameters to 100, 3 and 96, from 170, 6, and 2000. I also changed the cold-start enrichment to end much sooner. In any case, I did three logged runs; 12, 13, and 15 psi; I got a fraction of a second of knock on the 13 psi run, which the computer pulled back with 3 degrees of knock retard. The other two runs were FREE of detonation...It was kinda difficult to launch because the road was wet, but I ran all the way to 100 each time, and the detonation is definately lessened...does this make any sense at all? The only other thing that I can think is that perhaps the higher humidity had something to do with it?
nightdiver
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Re: FAST Programs?
Download your old file and then you will know. Map AE has something to do but not that much.
What was your AFR when it knocked ?
Download your old file and then you will know. Map AE has something to do but not that much.
What was your AFR when it knocked ?
Deanzsyclone
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Re: FAST Programs?
Yeah that way you can test the old program under the same humid conditions and see if it comes right back, then you know it was just a tunning issue.
I was actually wondering if simply the vortech heads and bigger turbo were throwing more air into the combusiton champer than the 50# injectors could conted with. But I see that was way off base?
So now that your up to 15lbs how's it feel now!!
nightdiver said:
Yeah that way you can test the old program under the same humid conditions and see if it comes right back, then you know it was just a tunning issue.
I was actually wondering if simply the vortech heads and bigger turbo were throwing more air into the combusiton champer than the 50# injectors could conted with. But I see that was way off base?
So now that your up to 15lbs how's it feel now!!
Roland Black
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Re: FAST Programs?
Bill's program was throwing acceleration enrichment in all the way up to 11 psi, AND warm up enrichment also with slightly high fuel pressure. I believe it was getting too much fuel. I'm pleased to hear progress is being made ;-) Now you can actually tune it using the a/f and ve tables......
I sent you the e-mails explaining that rather than take up a bunch of space here.....
Now, put injector duty cycle in your "dash" as your gonna start having high duty cycles around 18 psi as I mentioned earlier. Also, we now have a forum for .GCT's. Will you start another thread asking folks to send them to Paul @ NWSTP. I'd suggest asking for, turbo, injector, cam, and head information when/if they do so.
Congrats
Bill's program was throwing acceleration enrichment in all the way up to 11 psi, AND warm up enrichment also with slightly high fuel pressure. I believe it was getting too much fuel. I'm pleased to hear progress is being made ;-) Now you can actually tune it using the a/f and ve tables......
I sent you the e-mails explaining that rather than take up a bunch of space here.....
Now, put injector duty cycle in your "dash" as your gonna start having high duty cycles around 18 psi as I mentioned earlier. Also, we now have a forum for .GCT's. Will you start another thread asking folks to send them to Paul @ NWSTP. I'd suggest asking for, turbo, injector, cam, and head information when/if they do so.
Congrats
crashing_sux
Blow Me?
Re: FAST Programs?
Did anyone ever end up with all of the fast programs? If so, let me know and I'll pm you my email (didn't see a link on nwstp yet), I have a buddy with a fast and 75#'ers that would love to check them out. Next time I see him I'll get a copy of his program as well and post it for you guys but he hasn't put much time in it so there may not be much to be learned from it yet.
Any good way to test that knock retard is working properly? He was running a manual boost controller, set the boost way to high accidentally (got to close to 30lbs!) and blew the motor. When he was done he looked at the datalog of the run and was shocked to see that his fast unit has only pulled 2 degrees of timing. I was thinking either it's not picking up knock very well, or it's set to pull timing too slowly and needs to be more aggressive. It'd be great to see what others are doing in this area.
Did anyone ever end up with all of the fast programs? If so, let me know and I'll pm you my email (didn't see a link on nwstp yet), I have a buddy with a fast and 75#'ers that would love to check them out. Next time I see him I'll get a copy of his program as well and post it for you guys but he hasn't put much time in it so there may not be much to be learned from it yet.
Any good way to test that knock retard is working properly? He was running a manual boost controller, set the boost way to high accidentally (got to close to 30lbs!) and blew the motor. When he was done he looked at the datalog of the run and was shocked to see that his fast unit has only pulled 2 degrees of timing. I was thinking either it's not picking up knock very well, or it's set to pull timing too slowly and needs to be more aggressive. It'd be great to see what others are doing in this area.
ghettosled
SYTY SUPERSTORE
Re: FAST Programs?
you can set max retard and how agressive it pulls out, and puts back in timing in the software.
you can set max retard and how agressive it pulls out, and puts back in timing in the software.
crashing_sux
Blow Me?
Re: FAST Programs?
I saw that, it'd just be nice to have some way to verify it's working reasonably without blowing another motor. He had max retard set at 10 which seems low to me but that wasn't the problem in this case as he only showed 2 degrees pulled when he blew his motor. In the stock ecm you can look at knock count, and tap on the block with something and watch the knock count to make sure the sensor is working properly, with the fast I couldn't find anything like knock count. I had him tap on the block pretty good while the motor was running but didn't see it pull any timing but I don't know if it would in that scenario anyway. Just be nice to know it's working before putting some power down to it.
I'd also like to see how his program compares to others, which seems like the point of this thread. Guess I'll just email everyone individually and see what I can round up, thought I'd try getting it all from one person first instead of hitting everyone up for it.
I saw that, it'd just be nice to have some way to verify it's working reasonably without blowing another motor. He had max retard set at 10 which seems low to me but that wasn't the problem in this case as he only showed 2 degrees pulled when he blew his motor. In the stock ecm you can look at knock count, and tap on the block with something and watch the knock count to make sure the sensor is working properly, with the fast I couldn't find anything like knock count. I had him tap on the block pretty good while the motor was running but didn't see it pull any timing but I don't know if it would in that scenario anyway. Just be nice to know it's working before putting some power down to it.
I'd also like to see how his program compares to others, which seems like the point of this thread. Guess I'll just email everyone individually and see what I can round up, thought I'd try getting it all from one person first instead of hitting everyone up for it.
bjzq8
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Re: FAST Programs?
Paul at NWSTP has the three that I have, and modified. I think it might be interesting to see how things changed over time with my truck's programs. I would suggest that everybody else e-mail him their relative files, if they can part with them. I'm sure he'll put them up soon.
Bill Jenkins
Paul at NWSTP has the three that I have, and modified. I think it might be interesting to see how things changed over time with my truck's programs. I would suggest that everybody else e-mail him their relative files, if they can part with them. I'm sure he'll put them up soon.
Bill Jenkins
crashing_sux
Blow Me?
Re: FAST Programs?
Thanks for the tip, I emailed my file to Paul as well.
Thanks for the tip, I emailed my file to Paul as well.
skwayb
NWSTP
Re: FAST Programs?
I set up a forum on NWSTP where you all can post your FAST files. You can insert them while making a post.
Please make sure to Zip them up before you upload them. I posted a couple of programs that Bill Jenkins sent me.
FAST Configs
http://www.nwstp.com/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=43
I set up a forum on NWSTP where you all can post your FAST files. You can insert them while making a post.
Please make sure to Zip them up before you upload them. I posted a couple of programs that Bill Jenkins sent me.
FAST Configs
http://www.nwstp.com/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=43
crashing_sux
Blow Me?
Re: FAST Programs?
Been taking my time about it but I finally posted a 75lb program, details are on nwstp. Let's get a couple more up there!
Been taking my time about it but I finally posted a 75lb program, details are on nwstp. Let's get a couple more up there!