DevilsOwn Alc. injection? With pic and video
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James Thomas
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I am sorry to hear about your engine but, and no offence ment here........ never TAKE SOME ONE els's word with a new engine build, especially if they were not involved in the build PERSONALLY. We have had many customers with blown gaskets, damaged pistons melted spark plugs etc. and these are mid-compression N.A. engines.
Sorry man, trying to tune N.A. without KR, Data log and WB O2 is like picking up bitches at the club and taking them home with no rubbers......... maybe you will be ok, maybe not.
On N.O.S. or boost, it's like playing Russian Roulet with every other chamber loaded. It's not that it "may happen" because it's a gurantee that it will!
Sorry man!
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James Thomas
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brock1949 said:
I am sorry to hear about your engine but, and no offence ment here........ never TAKE SOME ONE els's word with a new engine build, especially if they were not involved in the build PERSONALLY. We have had many customers with blown gaskets, damaged pistons melted spark plugs etc. and these are mid-compression N.A. engines.
Sorry man, trying to tune N.A. without KR, Data log and WB O2 is like picking up bitches at the club and taking them home with no rubbers......... maybe you will be ok, maybe not.
On N.O.S. or boost, it's like playing Russian Roulet with every other chamber loaded. It's not that it "may happen" because it's a gurantee that it will!
Sorry man!
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James Thomas
brock1949
Its alive!!!
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oh, no i wasen't blamming the vendor, he was just kinda being a ass in general about 4.3's with blowers making anything more then 200-250hp and no mater what i said he kept ahhh i dunno i doubt and then giving me examples of people lieing to him and saying they had T3 T4 hybrids running 1000hp and all this crap,.. then he just starts asking for pics and videos of it running...it so i figured alright screw it i'm not a engineer i don't know thermal engineering to know what amount of meth i need, not thinking he did either but i figured at least he would have the background and past builds to go from and maybe some kinda graphs or tables to go on.
And as far as the motor well at least the bottom end, i wasen't tooooo worried about it really it was a bone stock 4.3L balance shaft with a cam and a timing set i can get another freaking bone stock balance shaft motor for 150-200 bucks, that and id road raced and had shifting at 6000rpms i knew my number was going to be pulled sooner or later, Plus i was already planning on just ridding out the rest of the summer on that motor while i finished up a non balance shaft motor, got screwed on that deal, ya it sucks ass but at the same time i knew i couldn't do much more then i already was on this bottom end.
Oh and we didn't go into things blind, i have a innovate LM1, tts datamaster and TBI chips working on the tune (weve been through like 10-12 tunes getting it smoothed out..), only running 4lbs of boost 5 tops at almost 6000 rpm, and i was running low low 11's in the AF usually 11.1-11.5 at WOT. The problem was no mater what we did because of the roller rockers we were getting some crazy feedback on them and everything else around and getting massive amounts of timing pulled.
I'm talking to during a datalog i was running at the hotel during the road coarse trip, i was coasting NO throttle in the parking lot and they had tar painted down the cracks of the lot maybe .25 thick and everytime i hit one i would get 2 knock counts, by the time i got out of the lot i had a knock count of 40 some NEVER HITTING THE GAS lol and as soon as i did hit the gas light to pull out it just instantly retarded the timing almost 10 degree's.
So remember i'm on old and busted for the moment running 2 barrel 2 injector TBI and its 94 1 bar computer, almost all the guys i know running built or blown TBI stuff either disable knock sensors, move them to somewhere it doesn't even work, or trading them out to a sensor thats i guess less sensitive...
Where i made my mistake is just taking advice from some WELL known guys one of which is up in MI,... a bunch of them sent over what they were running for timing on the same motors.. well they actually had higher compression, same heads, same cam, roughly same intake air temp from blower... and i was running 6lbs less boost them most of them. So we said piss on it and just hard set the timing to about 5 degrees less then what everyone told me to and disabled knock sensors for one 6 mile datalog to see what it would do,... i come back.. venting to the coolant tank however its still running pretty damn good, the only thing is i watch it smoke a little when i first started it the next day (back on normal chip), i tear it down to get some head gaskets.. While its apart everyone starts telling me to check the pistons etc,the center drivers side piston seems to have more slop then everyone told me they should telling me i guess i've blown through the ring lands..
Now the ring lands may have been messed up long ago when i first bought the www.wynjammer.com supercharger kit, which the 4lbs kit says it requires no tunning, no nothing... we ran it like this for a couple months and didn't seem to have any problems, but we didn't own any type of wideband setup at the time to REALLY know where WOT AF was..
Now on this new motor i'm dropping alot of money in it between all the cryo'ed stuff, 4 bolt billet main conversion, cam, pistons, eagle h beams etc etc all that crap, i wil be running it very very gentle on the TBI stuff until i convert my 2114 intake to 6 true injectors which its looking like i'm going to be running with a either syty ecm or accel DFI gen 6 or 7. Then i'll start to push the boost up some past the 7lbs its set to on my external waste gate were setting it up on.
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oh, no i wasen't blamming the vendor, he was just kinda being a ass in general about 4.3's with blowers making anything more then 200-250hp and no mater what i said he kept ahhh i dunno i doubt and then giving me examples of people lieing to him and saying they had T3 T4 hybrids running 1000hp and all this crap,.. then he just starts asking for pics and videos of it running...it so i figured alright screw it i'm not a engineer i don't know thermal engineering to know what amount of meth i need, not thinking he did either but i figured at least he would have the background and past builds to go from and maybe some kinda graphs or tables to go on.
And as far as the motor well at least the bottom end, i wasen't tooooo worried about it really it was a bone stock 4.3L balance shaft with a cam and a timing set i can get another freaking bone stock balance shaft motor for 150-200 bucks, that and id road raced and had shifting at 6000rpms i knew my number was going to be pulled sooner or later, Plus i was already planning on just ridding out the rest of the summer on that motor while i finished up a non balance shaft motor, got screwed on that deal, ya it sucks ass but at the same time i knew i couldn't do much more then i already was on this bottom end.
Oh and we didn't go into things blind, i have a innovate LM1, tts datamaster and TBI chips working on the tune (weve been through like 10-12 tunes getting it smoothed out..), only running 4lbs of boost 5 tops at almost 6000 rpm, and i was running low low 11's in the AF usually 11.1-11.5 at WOT. The problem was no mater what we did because of the roller rockers we were getting some crazy feedback on them and everything else around and getting massive amounts of timing pulled.
I'm talking to during a datalog i was running at the hotel during the road coarse trip, i was coasting NO throttle in the parking lot and they had tar painted down the cracks of the lot maybe .25 thick and everytime i hit one i would get 2 knock counts, by the time i got out of the lot i had a knock count of 40 some NEVER HITTING THE GAS lol and as soon as i did hit the gas light to pull out it just instantly retarded the timing almost 10 degree's.
So remember i'm on old and busted for the moment running 2 barrel 2 injector TBI and its 94 1 bar computer, almost all the guys i know running built or blown TBI stuff either disable knock sensors, move them to somewhere it doesn't even work, or trading them out to a sensor thats i guess less sensitive...
Where i made my mistake is just taking advice from some WELL known guys one of which is up in MI,... a bunch of them sent over what they were running for timing on the same motors.. well they actually had higher compression, same heads, same cam, roughly same intake air temp from blower... and i was running 6lbs less boost them most of them. So we said piss on it and just hard set the timing to about 5 degrees less then what everyone told me to and disabled knock sensors for one 6 mile datalog to see what it would do,... i come back.. venting to the coolant tank however its still running pretty damn good, the only thing is i watch it smoke a little when i first started it the next day (back on normal chip), i tear it down to get some head gaskets.. While its apart everyone starts telling me to check the pistons etc,the center drivers side piston seems to have more slop then everyone told me they should telling me i guess i've blown through the ring lands..
Now the ring lands may have been messed up long ago when i first bought the www.wynjammer.com supercharger kit, which the 4lbs kit says it requires no tunning, no nothing... we ran it like this for a couple months and didn't seem to have any problems, but we didn't own any type of wideband setup at the time to REALLY know where WOT AF was..
Now on this new motor i'm dropping alot of money in it between all the cryo'ed stuff, 4 bolt billet main conversion, cam, pistons, eagle h beams etc etc all that crap, i wil be running it very very gentle on the TBI stuff until i convert my 2114 intake to 6 true injectors which its looking like i'm going to be running with a either syty ecm or accel DFI gen 6 or 7. Then i'll start to push the boost up some past the 7lbs its set to on my external waste gate were setting it up on.
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brock1949 Sorry, that i may have came across as an ass over the phone. I never ment to offend you buy asking for pictures. I was kinda wanting pics after you had it installed. I never seem to get many users installs. I never heard of your combo. Just was curious. I did not mean to come accross and not beliveing you. 250hp from a 4.3 liter thats blown is not what i ment when saying thru our conerstion that people b.s. me on a day to day bases. I did believe you. I guess you took me wrong. I just don't want you to be pissed at me. I do still fell that m3 nozzle is best suited for your app. m10 nozzle will be way to big for your app. Most all blowers start to have problems passing more than 6-7gpm thru So that puts most 90ci and under blowers and making less than 300 hp at a m3 which should get you about 4-5gm and over 300 like M5 about 7gph. Remember your going to have 120-140 depending on nozzle size of line pressure. Turboed charaged engines can easir handly more fluid thru the intake. Thats my most gn run 10 and 14 nozzles.
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brock1949 Sorry, that i may have came across as an ass over the phone. I never ment to offend you buy asking for pictures. I was kinda wanting pics after you had it installed. I never seem to get many users installs. I never heard of your combo. Just was curious. I did not mean to come accross and not beliveing you. 250hp from a 4.3 liter thats blown is not what i ment when saying thru our conerstion that people b.s. me on a day to day bases. I did believe you. I guess you took me wrong. I just don't want you to be pissed at me. I do still fell that m3 nozzle is best suited for your app. m10 nozzle will be way to big for your app. Most all blowers start to have problems passing more than 6-7gpm thru So that puts most 90ci and under blowers and making less than 300 hp at a m3 which should get you about 4-5gm and over 300 like M5 about 7gph. Remember your going to have 120-140 depending on nozzle size of line pressure. Turboed charaged engines can easir handly more fluid thru the intake. Thats my most gn run 10 and 14 nozzles.
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brock1949
Its alive!!!
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Devilsown, I'm not pissed by any means. I just was reciving some pretty heavy beatings over this truck left and right, even more so with the blower i was running. And by ass i didn't mean that in a rough way at all just giving me crap like everyone else who sees the truck, works on the truck, hangs around with me lol, I am going to a turbo setup now with a PT60 turbo on a all new forged internals cryo'ed 4 bolt main whole 9 yards engine so then magically maybe i'll be one of the "cool" kids.
And actually i didn't think you were being that rough about my truck and the HP until later at the track when a group of people started laughing when they saw i had a M3 nossel,... Thats when i was like aww shit he wasen't taking me for real (BASED on what other people were telling me
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And as far as the kit and service, you couldn't ask for more, you guys were awesome i called in a couple times asking questions about the install and setup and he was awesome, I've since sent a couple guys from another forum.
I really didn't mean to come off like i was mad at your guys or unhappy with the product by ANY means.
Here are some pics of the build though, because alot of people haven't seen the stuff either, keep in mind most of these are from the old setup and very little of it is making its way onto the new truck. Their are some ROUGH cell phone pics of the meth tank but i will get you some better pics of the install, its freaking awesome,.. i get people complimenting me on that more than anything else lol.
http://shaun.accuson.net/engine/ - mix of new and old pics
http://s10.accuson.net/ - Some more pics old ones from the first build
http://shaun.accuson.net/axle/index.htm - pics of just the new rear axle, brakes, sway bars, springs, nitro shocks, etc etc
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Devilsown, I'm not pissed by any means. I just was reciving some pretty heavy beatings over this truck left and right, even more so with the blower i was running. And by ass i didn't mean that in a rough way at all just giving me crap like everyone else who sees the truck, works on the truck, hangs around with me lol, I am going to a turbo setup now with a PT60 turbo on a all new forged internals cryo'ed 4 bolt main whole 9 yards engine so then magically maybe i'll be one of the "cool" kids.
And actually i didn't think you were being that rough about my truck and the HP until later at the track when a group of people started laughing when they saw i had a M3 nossel,... Thats when i was like aww shit he wasen't taking me for real (BASED on what other people were telling me
) And as far as the kit and service, you couldn't ask for more, you guys were awesome i called in a couple times asking questions about the install and setup and he was awesome, I've since sent a couple guys from another forum.
I really didn't mean to come off like i was mad at your guys or unhappy with the product by ANY means.
Here are some pics of the build though, because alot of people haven't seen the stuff either, keep in mind most of these are from the old setup and very little of it is making its way onto the new truck. Their are some ROUGH cell phone pics of the meth tank but i will get you some better pics of the install, its freaking awesome,.. i get people complimenting me on that more than anything else lol.
http://shaun.accuson.net/engine/ - mix of new and old pics
http://s10.accuson.net/ - Some more pics old ones from the first build
http://shaun.accuson.net/axle/index.htm - pics of just the new rear axle, brakes, sway bars, springs, nitro shocks, etc etc
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If you want a bigger nozzle let me know and i will mail one out to you. 400 hp 3.8 liter gn, run larger nozzles than the average 500hp ls1. If you hang around these guys on this board they are usta large nozzles and anything smaller than a 10 they will probley tell you its not enough. This is not the kinda thing that bigger is always better. gn/sy/typ like like to drowned in meth compared to most all other cars. I have just a m5 on my 3.8 grand prix. with a eaton 90 and i am putting down 342hp down to the wheels. Any more and the alky puddles in the superchager. Supercharged engines don't like alky nearly as much as turboed cars.
cooling energy required for your inlet charge is aproxx 685 btu which will need 4.76 gph, but your line pressure with a m3 is going to be 160-165psi. Thats what you should messure with it. So its pretty darn close. This assums your needing cooling for 80 degs of compression heat. I believe your running 6psi? which should put you around 685 cfm of air. its usually 75 degs for each 5psi of compression when they are in there effecent range.
Re: DevilsOwn Alc. injection?
If you want a bigger nozzle let me know and i will mail one out to you. 400 hp 3.8 liter gn, run larger nozzles than the average 500hp ls1. If you hang around these guys on this board they are usta large nozzles and anything smaller than a 10 they will probley tell you its not enough. This is not the kinda thing that bigger is always better. gn/sy/typ like like to drowned in meth compared to most all other cars. I have just a m5 on my 3.8 grand prix. with a eaton 90 and i am putting down 342hp down to the wheels. Any more and the alky puddles in the superchager. Supercharged engines don't like alky nearly as much as turboed cars.
cooling energy required for your inlet charge is aproxx 685 btu which will need 4.76 gph, but your line pressure with a m3 is going to be 160-165psi. Thats what you should messure with it. So its pretty darn close. This assums your needing cooling for 80 degs of compression heat. I believe your running 6psi? which should put you around 685 cfm of air. its usually 75 degs for each 5psi of compression when they are in there effecent range.
wantingasy
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AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! A VISOR!!!!!!!!!!! JK :rotf:
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AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! A VISOR!!!!!!!!!!! JK :rotf:
brock1949
Its alive!!!
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HEY leave my visor alone!, actually the Visor, Lid, and Stripping was done by my grandpa, it was his truck for the first 12 years and like 33k miles of garaged to pick up tools only driving... Then he gave it to me and my brother and we've been building it in his garage with him and showing it since then. On a side note we've only had the truck MAYBE a year at this point probably less.. But we had like 12 years to plan our attack on it..lol
Also i'm already getting hounded by the Summit truckfest people to have the truck in their big show which the big one isn't until fall so i have plent of time.
And Devilsown, WOW, i retract my engineering statement, lol.. freaking amazing i never imagined that spraying meth was such a well thought out system or at least it is when you get it from you guys. So now i'm 99% sure the people at the track giving me hell over the M3 nossel can piss up a rope,
I probably will need to goto a different size nossel sometime, I have a typhoon motor coming from a freaking amazing shop in KY, which he says should be able to handle 550-650hp 4 bolt mains, all forged, Cryo'ed crank, freaking everything.., A PT60 turbo thats supposed to be able to do 600HP, and i have a fuel injection system that can do about 350HP lol... But i'm in the process of figuring out what the heck i should do for a computer, probably Accel DFI and then i'll convert my intake or get that one from race proven motors..
But i'm leaving town friday for a week and when i get back i should have most of it together and i'll start getting everything put back together.
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HEY leave my visor alone!, actually the Visor, Lid, and Stripping was done by my grandpa, it was his truck for the first 12 years and like 33k miles of garaged to pick up tools only driving... Then he gave it to me and my brother and we've been building it in his garage with him and showing it since then. On a side note we've only had the truck MAYBE a year at this point probably less.. But we had like 12 years to plan our attack on it..lol
Also i'm already getting hounded by the Summit truckfest people to have the truck in their big show which the big one isn't until fall so i have plent of time.
And Devilsown, WOW, i retract my engineering statement, lol.. freaking amazing i never imagined that spraying meth was such a well thought out system or at least it is when you get it from you guys. So now i'm 99% sure the people at the track giving me hell over the M3 nossel can piss up a rope
,I probably will need to goto a different size nossel sometime, I have a typhoon motor coming from a freaking amazing shop in KY, which he says should be able to handle 550-650hp 4 bolt mains, all forged, Cryo'ed crank, freaking everything.., A PT60 turbo thats supposed to be able to do 600HP, and i have a fuel injection system that can do about 350HP lol... But i'm in the process of figuring out what the heck i should do for a computer, probably Accel DFI and then i'll convert my intake or get that one from race proven motors..
But i'm leaving town friday for a week and when i get back i should have most of it together and i'll start getting everything put back together.
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Berzerker, send an email to me Chance@devilsownonline.com and i will get you a larger nozzle.
We have thought about putting our nozzle software on the internet. We just don't want to see our comp to use it. Lots of time. We though about making it an exe or something so they can't see the fomulas. Maybe someone knows a way to hide java.
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Berzerker, send an email to me Chance@devilsownonline.com and i will get you a larger nozzle.
We have thought about putting our nozzle software on the internet. We just don't want to see our comp to use it. Lots of time. We though about making it an exe or something so they can't see the fomulas. Maybe someone knows a way to hide java.
juicehead9
93 Typhoon # 0973
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Got the alky installed yeasterday spent over a hour trying to get my boost up to 20 spiked to 25-26 with some good KR i think i got it set to 20 now. So i was going to turn the pump presure up from factory but did'nt have the darn tool to do it with me thought i did. So went home turned the screw all the way clock wise will see tomorrow if i can get it tuned in. Set FP to 42 from 48 with #50 inj. and Phill Long chip with Pte 44 turbo and down pipe 3 in. Alot of tuning ahead of me. But the Devils on kit rocks very good stuff and very ez to install! I have pics if anyone wants to see the install.
Re: DevilsOwn Alc. injection?
Got the alky installed yeasterday spent over a hour trying to get my boost up to 20 spiked to 25-26 with some good KR i think i got it set to 20 now. So i was going to turn the pump presure up from factory but did'nt have the darn tool to do it with me thought i did. So went home turned the screw all the way clock wise will see tomorrow if i can get it tuned in. Set FP to 42 from 48 with #50 inj. and Phill Long chip with Pte 44 turbo and down pipe 3 in. Alot of tuning ahead of me. But the Devils on kit rocks very good stuff and very ez to install! I have pics if anyone wants to see the install.
James Thomas
"NO CLASS"
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Ok, so what's the latest poop? How is this Devil of an Alky system working out?
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James Thomas
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Ok, so what's the latest poop? How is this Devil of an Alky system working out?
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James Thomas
juicehead9
93 Typhoon # 0973
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18 psi with 3-4 kr going to the 14gph nooz next will keep you guys posted, oh as soon as i get a new propshaft....
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18 psi with 3-4 kr going to the 14gph nooz next will keep you guys posted, oh as soon as i get a new propshaft....