datamaster and tunerpro rt not working.. what could it be

[Flyin Ryan]

Seriously why the hell is it soo hard to get synch'd to our ecm??

I mean I just spent three hours of my life sitting in my truck, idling in my driveway trying to get Datamaster communicating with the truck.. .I've done this a ton of times and a bunch of laptops and this time i've hit a brick wall.

I've tried every possible combo of aldl link timing, three different ports, latency settings, braud rates and disable handsake etc

I've tried both my ttspowersystem serial cable (which has always worked after a bit of this crap) and my moates extreme aldl cable (tried both OPEN and 10K) and nothing.. Datamaster will detect the PCM but can't connect, then eventually i'll get it to connect but it'll say unknown data blah blah. Hell i've even tried three different laptops with both cables and all these stupid different combos but nothing.. kept getting the same bs

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What else could it be if it's not the three different laptops, and the two different cables and datamaster's causing it?

I've also removed the ecm, reseated the chip and that didn't make a difference.

Throw any idea's you may have out because im about to set this truck on fire with the laptops and cables in it

 

[TYTILIDIE]

Re: datamaster not working.. what could it be

Re: datamaster not working.. what could it be

Thats what mine said when one of my cables went bad. May or not be your problem though. It really is hard to say. Did you go in to the device manager and make sure the COM ports are on? And in the BIOS?

 

[Flyin Ryan]

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Re: datamaster not working.. what could it be

Thats what mine said when one of my cables went bad. May or not be your problem though. It really is hard to say. Did you go in to the device manager and make sure the COM ports are on? And in the BIOS?

Yea COM ports are working ok.. I've tried a few different ones and what cracks me up is the fact that my serial cable worked flawlessly before jerking around with the moates usb cable.. now i can't get either one of them work work on any laptop

what's involved in getting tunerpro rt to communicate with the aldl? I guess i should give that a shot and see if that'll connect and read or not.. don't I have to download and choose ads or something

 

[WyoSyclone]

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Probably a dumb question, but did you go through the connection troubleshooting guide for DM?? That's where I found the info that let me get mine connected.

 

[Flyin Ryan]

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Re: datamaster not working.. what could it be

Probably a dumb question, but did you go through the connection troubleshooting guide for DM?? That's where I found the info that let me get mine connected.

Yea I did.. I've owned this datamaster for four or five years and never had such a hard time with it like this.. one of the three laptops is actually the original one i started with lol


anyways tried to use tunerpro rt and didn't get anywhere.. couldn't find hardware but then would find it.. only to not find it again so my guess is either both cables suddenly went bad over night (yea right) even though moates cable is a week old(plus when you switch to the 10k option it raises the rpm's so it must be working right?) OR there's an issue with my truck's aldl plug somehow but I wouldn't even know where to begin to trouble shoot that.

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[WyoSyclone]

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I can't remember if the terminals in the aldl housing are male or female.. if they're female just squeeze them down a little - with that many connections/disconnections they're probably stretched out a bit. If they're male, twist them just a hair - maybe 1 degree that will make them have good contact again..

.... also, just leave your key on - truck not running. Just push on throttle to look for tps reading... a lot better than idling for hours

 

[Flyin Ryan]

Re: datamaster and tunerpro rt not working.. what could it be

I can't remember if the terminals in the aldl housing are male or female.. if they're female just squeeze them down a little - with that many connections/disconnections they're probably stretched out a bit. If they're male, twist them just a hair - maybe 1 degree that will make them have good contact again..

.... also, just leave your key on - truck not running. Just push on throttle to look for tps reading... a lot better than idling for hours

the aldl port under the dash is female and the cables are male.. both cables fit firmly


uggh I learned at least one thing new today haha thanks i've already wasted soo much gas idling lol

another awesome thing is that my wideband o2 sensor is ka-put LOL so no wideband for a while now.. wonder what else is gonna fail today... things useally happen in threes in my family

 

[WyoSyclone]

Re: datamaster and tunerpro rt not working.. what could it be

the aldl port under the dash is female and the cables are male.. both cables fit firmly


uggh I learned at least one thing new today haha thanks i've already wasted soo much gas idling lol

another awesome thing is that my wideband o2 sensor is ka-put LOL so no wideband for a while now.. wonder what else is gonna fail today... things useally happen in threes in my family

We deal with a lot of cables and harnesses in our industry.... sometimes they feel tight just because of the plastic housing, or the force of all of the terminals inserting at once... still a good thing to go through and tweak them just a small bit to make sure.

 

[Flyin Ryan]

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Rob,

Took your advise and moved the pins slightly so that they'll make more contact with the aldl port but it didn't seem to make any difference... I've seen that the COM port is being taken up by the aldl just tunerpro rt and datamaster aren't able to decipher the data it seems. Plus another thing is within tunerpro rt it shows that aldl is connected but the error packets just continually to rise.

I've disabled everything and anything in these laptops that use or could use a COM port and have tried multiple COM ports with the same results so I think im going to pester Moates a little about this and see what latency settings etc they suggest I use with there extreme aldl adapter for datamaster or tuner pro rt


ONE other question though, could this be caused by the chip or eprom that's in the truck? it's a custom t1-18ish chip from waller.. I don't recall having any issues with datamaster on the serial cable before swapping over to this chip and my truck does seem to run like total ass for a few minutes until it goes into closed loop. hmmm. I did just pickup the usb moates cable so I didn't try that prior to the chip swap

 

[Loeryder]

Re: datamaster and tunerpro rt not working.. what could it be

Are you plugging into a serial port on your laptop or using a USB - serial converter?

You mentioned the Moates USB in one of your earlier posts so I figured I'd ask for clarification.

 

[JSM]

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Couple tips.

Unplug the cable, go to device manager take a note of what ports are showing up, if any.
Plug the cable in, make sure it shows up as a port, take a note of what port. If not 1-4 I will sometimes force it to be a 1-4. Can be done in settings in device manager after selecting the port in question.

Do you have the aldl hack Dig did, what chip. Code59 ALDL connects a lot easier than a stock chip, but dig released the hack for stock chips also.

If you run tunerpro you will need the ADL file www.nwstp.com main page for stock style chips. code59.org for code59 obviously.

If the memcal is not inserted properly you won't be able to connect.

If the bin is not loaded right, chip not in correct or got erased it won't connect.

 

[Flyin Ryan]

Re: datamaster and tunerpro rt not working.. what could it be

Are you plugging into a serial port on your laptop or using a USB - serial converter?

You mentioned the Moates USB in one of your earlier posts so I figured I'd ask for clarification.

Well I have both, I have a serial cable from ttspowersystems

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/boostedpimp/syty shizle/datamaster/DSC00978.jpg

and this one

http://www.moates.net/product_info.php?cPath=49&products_id=127

Couple tips.

Unplug the cable, go to device manager take a note of what ports are showing up, if any.
Plug the cable in, make sure it shows up as a port, take a note of what port. If not 1-4 I will sometimes force it to be a 1-4. Can be done in settings in device manager after selecting the port in question.

I've tried this with both the usb and serial cables and they both always take port 4, i've also forced them both to use 1 which netted me the same results.

Do you have the aldl hack Dig did, what chip. Code59 ALDL connects a lot easier than a stock chip, but dig released the hack for stock chips also.

No hack and I don't have an ostrich to to upload/edit etc so I think im screwed in that respect

3bar chip from waller, based off of the t1-18 ultimate bin

If you run tunerpro you will need the ADL file www.nwstp.com main page for stock style chips. code59.org for code59 obviously.

I loaded the "1227749_2&3bar_58_rev6a.ads" file when I was trying to connect.. I'll check out that page and make sure I have the right one

If the memcal is not inserted properly you won't be able to connect.

If the bin is not loaded right, chip not in correct or got erased it won't connect.

Hmmm this is what im suspecting now... I mean I double checked that the memcal was in right but how knows.. and no way to tell if the bin is jacked up or not on my end but if the memcal is/was installed right and it still acts up i'll swap it out for my pitbull chip, swap maps and see how it runs and connects.. if it's back to normal then it'll be the BIN on the chip right?


Thanks for alll the help and suggestions

 

[TYTILIDIE]

Re: datamaster and tunerpro rt not working.. what could it be

Are there any trucks in your area that you could just try to connect to real quick to eliminate that the cables or the laptops are bad?

 

[Flyin Ryan]

Re: datamaster and tunerpro rt not working.. what could it be

Are there any trucks in your area that you could just try to connect to real quick to eliminate that the cables or the laptops are bad?

Good idea, I won't have time to try this method for a while though

 

[Flyin Ryan]

Re: datamaster and tunerpro rt not working.. what could it be

welp, I dropped the ecm out again tonite and reseated the waller chip in hopes it was just a bad connection and wouldn't you know it I was able to connect and log on datamaster instantly without jerking with anything.... hmmm so was the chip not completely seated I asked?? but wouldn't that cause a CEL?

Well as I was data logging idling in my driveway since the idle is soooo poor with this chip for some reason I was fiddling with the WB which also wasn't working right but all of a sudden was rolling without a hickup then I heard the efan kick in and noticed dm started disconnecting/reconnecting every 5 seconds and the wide band kept showing a open cell error code which means the sensor's beat or low voltage.

I pulled the inline fuse to the efan so it wouldn't come on when preset to and data logged without an issue... installed the fuse and started her up and when the fan kicked in.. the issues were back so I think the fan's causing some kind of electrical drain or noise that's interfering with dm and my wideband so im going to start a new thread for that one.