Carbon fiber tailgate
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live1053rulz
Nor Cal SyTy
Re: Carbon fiber tailgate
You're just crazy about fiberglass, ain't ya? Hopefully someone else around here is too.
You're just crazy about fiberglass, ain't ya? Hopefully someone else around here is too.
CarbonFiber AWD
Donating Member
Re: Carbon fiber tailgate
I would get involved in this if it wouldn't turn into an indecisive mess. I build CF visable weave parts via Vac Infused Epoxy. I DO NOT work with the notch or two down Polyester or Vinylester resins ...nor would I want to retool for them in the future.
I guess the main question here is: would we want exterior handle pull provisions ?
:IF not- do we want provisions for inner mechanism ?
: Do we want them to hang and latch as OEM ?
.....and finally, does everyone realize resins and CF cloth are over 100% higher in price for the next two -three years ?? And except this as part of the dealings ??
The work it self doesent get affected by this and its very time consuming. A modified gate as a PLUG will be needed first and someone has mentioned to me that I can use it as a lead in.
If this gets secured.....it will require several months to pull off properly.
Lets do this right and I'll keep the Epoxy molds in my Library of molds not to dissapear.
Otherwise, I have many other parts to concentrate on . :tup:
Vinny
BTW......if that CF hood posted image earlier weighed in as a full function part....I still feel that 32.5 lbs. is heavy. Perhaps resin rich was the cause . This is often the problems with wet layup rather than the techniques I utilize.
I would get involved in this if it wouldn't turn into an indecisive mess. I build CF visable weave parts via Vac Infused Epoxy. I DO NOT work with the notch or two down Polyester or Vinylester resins ...nor would I want to retool for them in the future.
I guess the main question here is: would we want exterior handle pull provisions ?
:IF not- do we want provisions for inner mechanism ?
: Do we want them to hang and latch as OEM ?
.....and finally, does everyone realize resins and CF cloth are over 100% higher in price for the next two -three years ?? And except this as part of the dealings ??
The work it self doesent get affected by this and its very time consuming. A modified gate as a PLUG will be needed first and someone has mentioned to me that I can use it as a lead in.
If this gets secured.....it will require several months to pull off properly.
Lets do this right and I'll keep the Epoxy molds in my Library of molds not to dissapear.
Otherwise, I have many other parts to concentrate on . :tup:
Vinny
BTW......if that CF hood posted image earlier weighed in as a full function part....I still feel that 32.5 lbs. is heavy. Perhaps resin rich was the cause . This is often the problems with wet layup rather than the techniques I utilize.
SY2932
Administrator
Re: Carbon fiber tailgate
The 32.5 pound weight is for a fully functional OEM STEEL tail gate. Personally, I would be game for a CF "skin" and be willing to lose all practicality of the tail gate in the process (making it non functional)... However as you keenly observed, if anything is to come of this endeavor there HAS to be a unanimous decision with regards to what the finshed product will be. I cut high precision tooling for the plastic industry out of aluminum blocks all day for a living. Everytime something like this comes along, everyone is absolutely clueless in how the manufacturing process works and can't fathom why ONLY half a dozen different prototypes can't be made :roll: .
The 32.5 pound weight is for a fully functional OEM STEEL tail gate. Personally, I would be game for a CF "skin" and be willing to lose all practicality of the tail gate in the process (making it non functional)... However as you keenly observed, if anything is to come of this endeavor there HAS to be a unanimous decision with regards to what the finshed product will be. I cut high precision tooling for the plastic industry out of aluminum blocks all day for a living. Everytime something like this comes along, everyone is absolutely clueless in how the manufacturing process works and can't fathom why ONLY half a dozen different prototypes can't be made :roll: .
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CarbonFiber AWD
Donating Member
Re: Carbon fiber tailgate
I see what you mean. But isn't the option of weight placement a gain ?? The weight being behind the rear axle isn't nessacarily in the best leverage point. I would think if you want weight anywhere...it would be above the axle not leveraging AWD front wheel loss's ??
A sinking suspension more evenly for our trucks is a better launch isn't it ??
I could be way off here..............just thinking outloud.
Vinny
I see what you mean. But isn't the option of weight placement a gain ?? The weight being behind the rear axle isn't nessacarily in the best leverage point. I would think if you want weight anywhere...it would be above the axle not leveraging AWD front wheel loss's ??
A sinking suspension more evenly for our trucks is a better launch isn't it ??
I could be way off here..............just thinking outloud.
Vinny
blk00z28
Forced to by choice
Re: Carbon fiber tailgate
Probably, but 30 lbs isnt anything when you think about it. Its only .030 of a second in the 1/4 mile..
100lb loss = .1 sec in the 1/4 mile.
10hp added = .1 sec in the 1/4 mile.
Thats why when you see these guys pull up at the track with their gas tanks on E, most of the time you'd only get a tenth off your ET with a emply tank.
If your talking gas milage, you'd probably gain .025 miles per gallon. if that. Which is just under a half a mpg.
Probably, but 30 lbs isnt anything when you think about it. Its only .030 of a second in the 1/4 mile..
100lb loss = .1 sec in the 1/4 mile.
10hp added = .1 sec in the 1/4 mile.
Thats why when you see these guys pull up at the track with their gas tanks on E, most of the time you'd only get a tenth off your ET with a emply tank.
If your talking gas milage, you'd probably gain .025 miles per gallon. if that. Which is just under a half a mpg.
CarbonFiber AWD
Donating Member
Re: Carbon fiber tailgate
Indeed that all makes good sense in relation to cutting down your 1/4 mile time. I guess these parts would be for those who are sticklers for weight loss where it can be had. For others ,perhaps just for the interesting different tech part . Who knows ??
I'm doing as much on my truck as possible simply to see what a stock truck can do without excess. Less weight....less work for the engine and faster 0-60. Which is where the fun is too me.
Slingshot out of the hole..........seems to just destroy the ego of most street racers.lol.
Not to mention CF done properly requires no body work or painting and looks 3-D or shifting.I Iove the stuff enough to make a toilet seat from......to each his own.
I don't really want to split hairs about this........just make nice parts and enjoy them for that. :tup:
.................Vinny
blk00z28 said:
Indeed that all makes good sense in relation to cutting down your 1/4 mile time. I guess these parts would be for those who are sticklers for weight loss where it can be had. For others ,perhaps just for the interesting different tech part . Who knows ??
I'm doing as much on my truck as possible simply to see what a stock truck can do without excess. Less weight....less work for the engine and faster 0-60. Which is where the fun is too me.
Slingshot out of the hole..........seems to just destroy the ego of most street racers.lol.
Not to mention CF done properly requires no body work or painting and looks 3-D or shifting.I Iove the stuff enough to make a toilet seat from......to each his own.
I don't really want to split hairs about this........just make nice parts and enjoy them for that. :tup:
.................Vinny
Flyin Ryan
hated cuz he drives fords
Re: Carbon fiber tailgate
wasn't this someone's on here that they put up on ebay?
I'd be interested in one just for the mere fact of weight savings.. I wouldn't even concider fiberglass but would concider this due to it's strenght. Of course there's that whole cost factor involved as well.. The cost of a cf tailgate from what i've seen so far is pretty crazy.. I mean the one above went for something like $600 or so if I remember. I don't think too many people will jump at them for that kind of cost.
wasn't this someone's on here that they put up on ebay?
I'd be interested in one just for the mere fact of weight savings.. I wouldn't even concider fiberglass but would concider this due to it's strenght. Of course there's that whole cost factor involved as well.. The cost of a cf tailgate from what i've seen so far is pretty crazy.. I mean the one above went for something like $600 or so if I remember. I don't think too many people will jump at them for that kind of cost.
CarbonFiber AWD
Donating Member
Re: Carbon fiber tailgate
Not everybody's cup of tea for sure. They are too time consuming to make, so not having a ton of people want them is just fine. I'm not sure what everyone elses time is worth to them......but I quit doing things for "break even" some years ago. I also quit thinking I should get "break even" prices from others as well. A good fair deal is one thing........as long as it is reasonable.
We all pay for things what we can justify via goals, needs,values,upgrades or just because. Everyone can decide those things for themselves.
The images of the tailgate are just what I had in mind.....with the ability to be fully mounted and hung. A person could further strip it down if they wanted to make it a "pin -on".
Bare in mind guys ......honeycomb Nomex, which is super light and strong, is used on these for correct wall stiffness. There are many yards of Cf in these as well.
There are ways to lower price for a cosmetic part, but it wouldn't beas lifgt as the full CF version nor be as strong. I'd rather avoid that mess .
.....................Vinny
Boostedpimp said:wasn't this someone's on here that they put up on ebay?
I'd be interested in one just for the mere fact of weight savings.. I wouldn't even concider fiberglass but would concider this due to it's strenght. Of course there's that whole cost factor involved as well.. The cost of a cf tailgate from what i've seen so far is pretty crazy.. I mean the one above went for something like $600 or so if I remember. I don't think too many people will jump at them for that kind of cost.
Not everybody's cup of tea for sure. They are too time consuming to make, so not having a ton of people want them is just fine. I'm not sure what everyone elses time is worth to them......but I quit doing things for "break even" some years ago. I also quit thinking I should get "break even" prices from others as well. A good fair deal is one thing........as long as it is reasonable.
We all pay for things what we can justify via goals, needs,values,upgrades or just because. Everyone can decide those things for themselves.
The images of the tailgate are just what I had in mind.....with the ability to be fully mounted and hung. A person could further strip it down if they wanted to make it a "pin -on".
Bare in mind guys ......honeycomb Nomex, which is super light and strong, is used on these for correct wall stiffness. There are many yards of Cf in these as well.
There are ways to lower price for a cosmetic part, but it wouldn't beas lifgt as the full CF version nor be as strong. I'd rather avoid that mess .
.....................Vinny
CarbonFiber AWD
Donating Member
Re: Carbon fiber tailgate
I had considered doing the Ty's gate as well.........but a one off is not going to be a reasonable project for one person to pay for. I mean in all fairness to your wallet anyway. One off parts are usually paid for by sponsorship and other means due to there straight out expense tags. They always end up costing more than the estimates and thats dissapointing in its self.
I would feel more enthusiastic if you had a following of buyers to make it all worth while. Its not like you'd see yourself coming and going with them in the same town or event. I can't imagine more than 20 buyers total in each style.
I also assume you want the glass to function as well ?? Thats no easy task, but could be done. Or is this just for track nights ??No glass and hardware ??
...............V inny
jwaller said:
I had considered doing the Ty's gate as well.........but a one off is not going to be a reasonable project for one person to pay for. I mean in all fairness to your wallet anyway. One off parts are usually paid for by sponsorship and other means due to there straight out expense tags. They always end up costing more than the estimates and thats dissapointing in its self.
I would feel more enthusiastic if you had a following of buyers to make it all worth while. Its not like you'd see yourself coming and going with them in the same town or event. I can't imagine more than 20 buyers total in each style.
I also assume you want the glass to function as well ?? Thats no easy task, but could be done. Or is this just for track nights ??No glass and hardware ??
...............V
inny
jwaller
Evil Genius/SyTy Guru
Re: Carbon fiber tailgate
my TY is now pretty much a track only kinda vehicle but I do still want the glass to function. are we talking a 500 or a 1k or higher price tag for the 1 off deal?
I will not need any of the internal stuff like the relase eleec function but I would like to be able to latch the glass somehow.
I was kinda hoping that the ty gate might even be easier seeing that it is less contoured and doesnt have a handle right in the center.
if the price is right I could see 2-3 others I know of that would be willing to go in on a TY gate and thats not even trying. those I know of will spend the $$$ without question.
CarbonFiber AWD said:I had considered doing the Ty's gate as well.........but a one off is not going to be a reasonable project for one person to pay for. I mean in all fairness to your wallet anyway. One off parts are usually paid for by sponsorship and other means due to there straight out expense tags. They always end up costing more than the estimates and thats dissapointing in its self.
I would feel more enthusiastic if you had a following of buyers to make it all worth while. Its not like you'd see yourself coming and going with them in the same town or event. I can't imagine more than 20 buyers total in each style.
I also assume you want the glass to function as well ?? Thats no easy task, but could be done. Or is this just for track nights ??No glass and hardware ??
...............V
my TY is now pretty much a track only kinda vehicle but I do still want the glass to function. are we talking a 500 or a 1k or higher price tag for the 1 off deal?
I will not need any of the internal stuff like the relase eleec function but I would like to be able to latch the glass somehow.
I was kinda hoping that the ty gate might even be easier seeing that it is less contoured and doesnt have a handle right in the center.
if the price is right I could see 2-3 others I know of that would be willing to go in on a TY gate and thats not even trying. those I know of will spend the $$$ without question.
CarbonFiber AWD
Donating Member
Re: Carbon fiber tailgate
Easily over a grand to properly build Epoxy Infusion molds for these panels. They are a high heat tooling and have NO warpage through the cycles at all. These methods reveal a perfect pull and a dynamic final finish right out of the mold.
Remember, these parts require a multi-piece mold config. and secondary and third conectivity including the Honeycomb Nomex sub.
It always requires several pulled and sold parts before a margin of return shows up.Its law.
About your glass..............I would have Percey's race glass pull a mold for the pane and use that. Their glass is majorly scratch resistant and strong. They use coarse steel wool to demonstrate its robust qualities.
I would think a simple slide mechanism for lowering the glass could be devised in aluminum with rivets and epoxy ahesives.
Don't you ??
.................Vinny
jwaller said:
Easily over a grand to properly build Epoxy Infusion molds for these panels. They are a high heat tooling and have NO warpage through the cycles at all. These methods reveal a perfect pull and a dynamic final finish right out of the mold.
Remember, these parts require a multi-piece mold config. and secondary and third conectivity including the Honeycomb Nomex sub.
It always requires several pulled and sold parts before a margin of return shows up.Its law.
About your glass..............I would have Percey's race glass pull a mold for the pane and use that. Their glass is majorly scratch resistant and strong. They use coarse steel wool to demonstrate its robust qualities.
I would think a simple slide mechanism for lowering the glass could be devised in aluminum with rivets and epoxy ahesives.
Don't you ??
.................Vinny
jwaller
Evil Genius/SyTy Guru
Re: Carbon fiber tailgate
the glass on the ty's is totally independant. it's not like the big blazers of old where it retracts into the gate. it simply folds up with gas struts. I'm not sure what all this slide mechanism is for. lemme talk with some friends and see how many I can sell and see if it brings down the price any. or we might just spilt them up.
the glass on the ty's is totally independant. it's not like the big blazers of old where it retracts into the gate. it simply folds up with gas struts. I'm not sure what all this slide mechanism is for. lemme talk with some friends and see how many I can sell and see if it brings down the price any. or we might just spilt them up.
CarbonFiber AWD
Donating Member
Re: Carbon fiber tailgate
Oh hell....I knew that....just slipped my minds eye. Sorry bout' that. DOH !!
Sounds good. Doing these right will be a neat addition for our rigs. I would think the final prices would reflect the quality of the final parts that are wanted.
We'll chat further via Email once you have a consensus of need if that sounds good to you JWaller ??
If there is a Syclone gate interest here..........chime in with requests or needs. Done properly...we can get this done. No need for "tire kickers" please. This isn't going to be a free for all of orders. I'll only do so many and move on. There are so many parts do develop I have in the oven. I can't be screwing around and loose time with lost efforts.
Looking forward to it developing..........Vinny :tup:
jwaller said:
Oh hell....I knew that....just slipped my minds eye. Sorry bout' that. DOH !!
Sounds good. Doing these right will be a neat addition for our rigs. I would think the final prices would reflect the quality of the final parts that are wanted.
We'll chat further via Email once you have a consensus of need if that sounds good to you JWaller ??
If there is a Syclone gate interest here..........chime in with requests or needs. Done properly...we can get this done. No need for "tire kickers" please. This isn't going to be a free for all of orders. I'll only do so many and move on. There are so many parts do develop I have in the oven. I can't be screwing around and loose time with lost efforts.
Looking forward to it developing..........Vinny :tup:
warmpancakes
New member
Re: Carbon fiber tailgate
What would be a ball park price on a CF gate? for syclone
What would be a ball park price on a CF gate? for syclone