best balljoints????????
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R&C_RallySyTy
Little Big Man
Re: best balljoints????????
There is alot of threads on this. I could not find the one I'm thinking about; somewhere there is a thread about a company who builds there stuff just like Moog. Its much cheaper and pretty much is the same exact part. Moog sells there plans to this company. Anyone have any idea what I'm talking about?
There is alot of threads on this. I could not find the one I'm thinking about; somewhere there is a thread about a company who builds there stuff just like Moog. Its much cheaper and pretty much is the same exact part. Moog sells there plans to this company. Anyone have any idea what I'm talking about?
Foot Performance
Donating Member
Re: best balljoints????????
Last I knew it was the cheaper napa line but it is junk IMO :tup:
Last I knew it was the cheaper napa line but it is junk IMO :tup:
AutoVation
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Re: best balljoints????????
Has anyone tried these yet?
Has anyone tried these yet?
warmpancakes
New member
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the pictures posted are the exact same ones advance auto by me sells over the counter for 51.00 each
the pictures posted are the exact same ones advance auto by me sells over the counter for 51.00 each
QWERTYphoon
Motley Driver Award 2009
Re: best balljoints????????
I have been using the high end napa joints. I have over 5k miles on mine. Took them apart last night and they still look brand new. I also have the RPM coil overs. Not sure why you would have a problem with only 4k miles?
I have been using the high end napa joints. I have over 5k miles on mine. Took them apart last night and they still look brand new. I also have the RPM coil overs. Not sure why you would have a problem with only 4k miles?
qbnkiller
Conflaguration Specialist
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After I get some other tings sorted out, I will be looking at the Howe's ball joints. I saw a display with them and they're very sexy!
http://www.stockcarproducts.com/susp7a.htm
After I get some other tings sorted out, I will be looking at the Howe's ball joints. I saw a display with them and they're very sexy!
http://www.stockcarproducts.com/susp7a.htm
warmpancakes
New member
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alex theres a place in michigan that stock them
alex theres a place in michigan that stock them
4C FED
Absolutum Dominium
Re: best balljoints????????
One thing I did notice was that I was having a hell of a time getting grease to go into the lower joint. There was a lot of back pressure on the grease gun.
When I unscrewed the nipple a little I was able to get the grease to go in much easier.
So I wound up filing the end down on the threaded part of the nipple that screws into the ball joint. Then the grease went in nice and easy. So the threaded end of the nipple may be a little to long.
I've only just installed one side so far, no road time yet as I'm doing a complete front end rebuild.
One thing I did notice was that I was having a hell of a time getting grease to go into the lower joint. There was a lot of back pressure on the grease gun.
When I unscrewed the nipple a little I was able to get the grease to go in much easier.
So I wound up filing the end down on the threaded part of the nipple that screws into the ball joint. Then the grease went in nice and easy. So the threaded end of the nipple may be a little to long.
graham1524
Well-known member
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Kind of old but has anyone got any drive time in on these yet? I'm looking into some and would like some insight.
Kind of old but has anyone got any drive time in on these yet? I'm looking into some and would like some insight.
Re: best balljoints????????
Around 100K on a blazer with them in it, no problems. Considering it had 2 sets, in the first 60K, the OEM ones and a set of Moog. I feel they're definitely superior. The shop that installed and aligned it was a moog shop (same shop that installed the previous set) and when I ask about installing them, he told me no guarantee, if they didn't use their parts. But I figured anything has to be better then putting in ball joints all the time. He was impressed with the PP ball joints, and felt they were some of the best he'd ever seen in over 40 years of installing front end parts.
Around 100K on a blazer with them in it, no problems. Considering it had 2 sets, in the first 60K, the OEM ones and a set of Moog. I feel they're definitely superior. The shop that installed and aligned it was a moog shop (same shop that installed the previous set) and when I ask about installing them, he told me no guarantee, if they didn't use their parts. But I figured anything has to be better then putting in ball joints all the time. He was impressed with the PP ball joints, and felt they were some of the best he'd ever seen in over 40 years of installing front end parts.
Power Performance
New member
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Many ball joints look similar because they fit the same application. The difference is often in the internal bearing design, in the quality of metals used, and the heat treat process.
:tup:
Many ball joints look similar because they fit the same application. The difference is often in the internal bearing design, in the quality of metals used, and the heat treat process.
:tup:
warmpancakes
New member
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Bearings? In a ball Joint? since when? :roll: lets see some test Data, or metallurgical reports? The numbers on the over the counter parts and yours are the same,
Bearings? In a ball Joint? since when? :roll: lets see some test Data, or metallurgical reports? The numbers on the over the counter parts and yours are the same,
Power Performance
New member
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What I meant was that the internal design of the ball joint is often different - we use a 1 piece ball stud whereas many competitors use a 2 piece ball stud (one piece is much stronger). We polish the ball while competitors "rock tumble" them.
The part numbers are the same because we both use the Moog numbering system - it is the industry standard system for ease of identification.
We use SAE4130 steel for the ball studs and SAE1045 for the housings - competitors use low carbon steel instead.
I don't have the testing figures for the SyTy ball joints in front of me. What I can give you is the S10 2WD figures.
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Rockwell hardness
(higher number is better)
Moog
Stud Head - 43
Power Performance
Stud Head - 60
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Stud Pullout
(this is the amount of force it takes to rip the stud from the housing - higher number is better)
Moog
7927.2kgf
Power Performance
8936.9kgf
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Stud Impact Results - Deviation Angle
(stud is impacted perpendicularly, then the deviation angle is measured - this is the measure of a stud's strength - lower number is better)
Moog
36
Power Performance
23
What I meant was that the internal design of the ball joint is often different - we use a 1 piece ball stud whereas many competitors use a 2 piece ball stud (one piece is much stronger). We polish the ball while competitors "rock tumble" them.
The part numbers are the same because we both use the Moog numbering system - it is the industry standard system for ease of identification.
We use SAE4130 steel for the ball studs and SAE1045 for the housings - competitors use low carbon steel instead.
I don't have the testing figures for the SyTy ball joints in front of me. What I can give you is the S10 2WD figures.
----------
Rockwell hardness
(higher number is better)
Moog
Stud Head - 43
Power Performance
Stud Head - 60
----------
Stud Pullout
(this is the amount of force it takes to rip the stud from the housing - higher number is better)
Moog
7927.2kgf
Power Performance
8936.9kgf
----------
Stud Impact Results - Deviation Angle
(stud is impacted perpendicularly, then the deviation angle is measured - this is the measure of a stud's strength - lower number is better)
Moog
36
Power Performance
23
warmpancakes
New member
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just a few questions you state mild carbon steel with a rockwell of 31-32 industry standard, but you claim 60 is this diamond or ball tech? for stud pullout what testing method was used? slow and steady or shock? Im not busting your balls im just curious as my family rides on these parts
just a few questions you state mild carbon steel with a rockwell of 31-32 industry standard, but you claim 60 is this diamond or ball tech? for stud pullout what testing method was used? slow and steady or shock? Im not busting your balls im just curious as my family rides on these parts
Power Performance
New member
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We induction harden the 4130 steel to a rockwell of 60 on the stud head. The stud shaft is around 40 if I remember correctly.
Testing method for stud pullout is slow and steady.
Hope this helps :tup:
We induction harden the 4130 steel to a rockwell of 60 on the stud head. The stud shaft is around 40 if I remember correctly.
Testing method for stud pullout is slow and steady.
Hope this helps :tup: