Alcohol and Water Injection PT1

Deanzsyclone

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Alcohol Injection

Want to run 5-10 PSI more boost then you are now? Sure you do, unless of course you’re opposed to adding 50-100 hp to your car. With alcohol injection you can do just that, all while buying your gas from the pump. I’ve been a huge fan of alcohol injection for many years now. Personally, I don’t see why everyone isn’t running some type of supplemental injection nowadays. Not having to pay outrageous prices for race gas will pay for your kit within the first year. To give alcohol injection its proper recognition, we’ll need to discuss a few things first.

When I say alcohol, I am referring to the chemicals in that category as a whole, such as Methanol, Toluene, Benzene and Ethanol to name a few.

The octane to compression threshold or knock threshold is one of the most important things one can understand as a tuner. What I mean by this is actually quite simple to grasp, but often misunderstood. There are two terms used in explaining this, pre-ignition and detonation. You’ll see what I mean as we go on. Let us therefore look at the easier one of the two to explain and understand, pre-ignition.

The name itself is self explanatory. The fuel is being ignited before it should be, causing all sorts of trouble. To understand we must consider just what takes place. We’ll use the compression stroke as our starting point, assuming that up to that moment of time the engine has been running satisfactorily. That being said, we have the piston commencing travel up the cylinder bore, starting to compress the fuel ready for ignition by the spark at the plug. Depending on the ignition setting, the spark should occur at just the right time to allow the mixture to ignite, the resultant explosion being so timed that its force is applied to the piston just as it is ready to commence its downward stroke. If the explosion takes place too late, then the piston has already started to descend, so the force of the explosion is reduced since there is now so much more room so to speak in the chamber. On the other hand if it occurs too soon, the force of the explosion meets the piston on its way up the bore, trying to force it down, so power is lost and a general state of opposing forces exists. It is just this that makes it necessary to time the ignition setting to agree with the type of fuel in use so as to get the maximum effect, also to have an ignition system that will ignite as much of the mixture as possible in the very short time it has to do so. Detonation is when the piston is traveling upwards on the compression stroke. But instead of igniting when the spark plug fires, it ignites on its own. This happens because the pressure is so great inside the combustion chamber with the added boost that the temperature gets hot enough to ignite the fuel before the plug fires. This in turn creates a flame front that is trying to push the piston back down, when the crank and rod are trying to push it up. The result is usually a cracked ring land or worse. The point of detonation will be different on every motor as there are numerous things that come into play. The motor’s static compression, the spark plug type and material, the piston design as well carbon deposits on the piston and head can all affect the combustion process. Hence the need for every vehicle to be tuned differently.

I’m going to use 91 octane pump gas as an example since that seems to be the highest and most available nation wide. When adding a turbo or increasing the boost on a vehicle that is turbo charged from the factory, we are essentially increasing the compression of the motor. So what determines the amount of boost we can add before the motor goes pop? Here in lies the octane to compression threshold. If you add boost, you need to add fuel. That part is simple, more air requires more fuel. The entire theory on making more power is based around this ideal. So why can’t we just install huge fuel injectors and run 30 psi? Because every fuel has a point where it auto ignites and 91 octane reaches that limit far before we ever see that 30psi. The octane rating is a measure of that particular fuels resistance to auto ignition. The most common type of octane rating worldwide is the Research Octane Number (RON). RON is determined by running the fuel in a test engine with a variable compression ratio under controlled conditions. There is another type of octane rating, called Motor Octane Number (MON) or the aviation lean octane rating, which is a better measure of how the fuel behaves when under load. MON testing uses a similar test engine to that used in RON testing, but with a preheated fuel mixture, a higher engine speed, and variable ignition timing to further stress the fuel's knock resistance. Depending on the composition of the fuel, the MON of a modern gasoline will be about 8 to 10 points lower than the RON. Normally fuel specifications require both a minimum RON and a minimum MON. As an example, Toluene has a RON octane rating of 124 and a MON rating of 112, leading to a (R+M)/2 rating of 118. (R+M)/2 is how ordinary fuels are rated in the US. The correct name for the (RON+MON)/2 formula is the "anti-knock index”, and it remains the most important quality criteria for motorists.

With that in mind, we can look at the benefits of alcohol injection. The biggest reason alcohol injection is effective, is the increased octane it has over 91 pump gas. Let’s use Methanol as an example. Methanol (Meth) has a (MON) rating of 105. So when Meth is sprayed into the intake either before the throttle body or in a direct port system, it effectively raises the octane of fuel that is injected into the combustion chamber. Using what we just learned, we now know that more octane means we can run more boost. There are several very good chemicals that can be used for this. Methanol is definitely one of the more popular ones, but you can use Denatured Alcohol, rubbing alcohol, Ethanol, E85, Toluene or any of those mixed with water. Water in itself IS NOT a means to increase your octane. However, when injected into the motor, it evaporates upon entry into the combustion chamber effectively reducing the combustion temperatures by up to 300* F. I’ll go into water injection in more depth later so as not to confuse the two different types of tuning involved. The above listed chemicals all have different octane ratings, so each will require tuning if you change between fuels.

Before we can really get into tuning and the effects of the different chemicals we can choose from, we have to understand the various injection options available to us. There are literally tons of options available today, ranging from DIY setups consisting of a spray nozzle, pump, fuel line, pressure switch and reservoir all the way to $1000 setups that are closer to running a full standalone computer. It’s up to the individual what avenue they choose for themselves based on budget and power goals. I’ll explain the 3 most common setup’s used today and the tuning involved with each.

The first is a simple one stage injection setup. In my personal opinion, this is a great avenue for beginners to start with and it’s VERY easy to tune. Here are 2 basic kits.






As you can see it’s a very simple design made up of a pump, some jets for tuning and the necessary lines, relay, pressure switch and reservoir. The idea behind this as well as most other basic kits is to provide the user with a kit that is easy to install and tune yet functional and affordable. The tuning of a single stage kit is fairly straight forward. First you need to install the kit according to the instructions included with the kit at the time of purchase. If it’s a DIY setup, then you’re on your own as far as the install goes. Once you have your kit installed you can begin with the tuning process. Let’s start by using 8psi as your current max boost setting. Before we raise the boost at all, we need to set the turn on point “on set” for the pump. This is done via adjusting the pressure switch or knob on the controller depending on the kit. These switches are adjustable via screw, knob or nut in most cases. How they work is simple. They have a constant power of 12vdc hooked to them, as well as a vacuum line from the intake manifold. Once the manifold pressure reaches a certain pressure, the switch will send that 12vdc to the pump. In order to figure out the “on set” point, other then trial and error, you need a vacuum pump. These can be purchased at any auto store such as AutoZone or Checker. The MityVac unit that I use is pictured to the right.

As you can see, it has a pressure gauge and trigger to increase the pressure output. Apply pressure to the vacuum line of the switch and see what the pressure is when the pump is triggered. Then adjust the switch to the required setting.
 

Deanzsyclone

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Re: Alcohol and Water Injection PT2

Re: Alcohol and Water Injection PT2

Well, how do you know when to set to pump to come on? The key here is having it come on as late as possible, but early enough to supply the alcohol when you need it. If the alcohol was injected the moment you hit 8psi then your tuning would be easy. But you have to account for the lag time involved for the pump to “spool” up and fill the lines as well as having the mist actually reach the combustion chambers. So lets start with an “on set” pressure of 6 psi. That should give us enough of a buffer before we suffer from a lean spot or any detonation. Now we have 1 or 2 options depending on what kit you’ve gone with. One kind uses jets to adjust the amount of alcohol injected; the other kind uses a rheostat to control the pump volume itself by limiting the current the pump receives. If you have the kind with jets, then you will start with a medium sized jet. If the motor bogs upon “on set” then you simply need to use smaller jets until the car no longer bogs. Yes this method is crude, but it’s very effective and has been used since the 60’s. If you have the other style controller that is mounted in the cockpit, just adjust the knob controlling the pump speed until the motor doesn’t bog. This step is done while driving the car under stock boost conditions. Once the “on set” and injection volume is set, you can begin to add boost. Under perfect conditions we would use a wide band O2 meter to insure we don’t run into a lean condition by adding to much boost. If you don’t have a wideband, you have to resort to checking your plugs and listening for knock the old fashioned way. I use the MSD Knock Alert as well as a wide band O2 meter. With these two items you can really get every last bit of power out of any kit you decide to use. If you have none of the above and have set the kit up so that it is just above bogging the motor when the alcohol is injected, then I’d go ahead and use 13psi as a max boost setting, giving you an additional 5 psi and close to an increase of 50 horse power.

Option 2 is a variation of option 1 except we use two nozzles instead of one and we add on a solenoid valve and pressure switch to control the second nozzle. Its setup almost the same as the single nozzle kit, except now we have a ‘T’ fitting on the pump output. One line goes to the first nozzle, the second goes to the solenoid valve and then to the second nozzle. The second nozzle will need to be adjusted via jet size however. Since the controller can only adjust the pump volume once. Once the second nozzle is installed, all you need to do is repeat the original process but using 4-5 psi more then the initial as the “on set” point. So in our case we would have the solenoid valve open at 12psi. Since there is no lag time for the pump to spool up, the Meth will be at the nozzle almost instantly. Now raise the boost another 5-6 psi and you’ve just made close to, if not more then, 100 horse power. With the 2 stage kit, you’re using Meth as a fuel source as well as an octane booster, so a wideband O2 meter should be considered a must have for tuning, although it has been done with just a knock meter.

The last option is the best method by far in my personal opinion. It uses a variable controller. With this setup the pump volume is increased as the boost rises. Most kits use a MAP sensor but some tap into the Mass Air Flow sensor (MAFs) and use the 0-5v output. With this type of kit, the sky is the limit. The install is roughly the same as the other kits, except you have the controller mounted inside the car. The controller has the option to adjust ALL of the settings while sitting inside the car. Just a few turns of a few knobs and you’re done. Ok, it’s not THAT simple, but its close.

For this kit you perform the same steps to set the “on set” point, then you set the “max boost” setting. Again, just use the hand pump to set the “max boost” setting if the controller doesn’t have a specified PSI reading on it. Some kits have a variable ramp adjustment, which allows you to tailor the actual rise of the pump speed between the “on set” and “max boost” for maximum power, others have a set amount. All variable kits have a max volume adjustment, this enables you to set the max amount of Meth being injected so as not to run super rich, or even lean once the motor is running at max boost. With this type of kit, you can run huge amounts of boost and easily max out your turbo or the internals of the motor.

Water injection

Using water by itself or even mixed with Methanol is very common and also works very well. But Meth alone is better if you’re using the sub-injection as a fuel source as well as an octane booster. With that said, water has THE highest cooling effect in the combustion chamber. When the water evaporates in the combustion chamber it removes so much of the heat, that it can actually unspool your turbo and bog the motor. So when adding water, it is important to start by adding just a little. I could go on to explain multi staged water injection kits, but I don’t suggest using them, so if you go that route you’re on your own. A nice simple single nozzle kit will however allow you to run more boost and the setup is the same as the single nozzle alcohol injection kit except for starting with a smaller jet or pump speed.

Now that we understand what’s involved with running alcohol and or water injection, we can discuss the bad things about it, which just so happens to be the easiest part of the article… because there aren’t any. GM was going to use water injection on the Buick Grand National back in the 80’s and ran 100’s of miles of tests with NO adverse affects. You’re going to run into people who will say Methanol is corrosive and dangerous. You look those people in the eye and say, “see you at the finish line” cause you’ll be there having a beer waiting for them. Sure Methanol is corrosive, if you leave a piece of aluminum sitting in it, it will corrode. But there have been 1000’s of people running it for over 30 years that will say the same thing I am. Any kit you buy with the intent on running Methanol will be made from materials proven to work with Methanol. Since Meth is the most corrosive chemical you’d want to inject, it’s safe to say that any other chemical you want to run will work just fine.

Tuning with alcohol is quite different then tuning with pump gas. The correct air-fuel ratio for petrol is 14.1 to 15.1, but for alcohol it is 7.1 to 9.1 so that means we must pass at least twice the weight of fuel, in the case of alcohol, to heat the same amount of air to the same temperature as we need for petrol. Now unlike petrol you will find alcohol fuel will continue to provide increased power for a mixture well above the ideal mixture strength and you can always tend, therefore, to jet up on the rich side, and so avoid any possible chance of running into troubles through weak mixture causing burnt valves and holed pistons. This is a fuel with a large cooling effect provided by part of it evaporating after it has reached the combustion chamber and so tending to cool the valves, piston and so on.

In view of this amount of fuel entering the chamber, with possibly some of it in liquid form, the ignition system must be beyond reproach since if the spark is weak the mass of fuel will just soak the plug and then at once ignition troubles arise affecting starting in particular

Also do to the cooling effect and higher octane rating, detonation with alcohol is really not a problem. By that I mean that you don’t have to further retard your ignition with the increase in boost pressure, something that can not be done if just increasing boost pressure and running pump gas.

Here's a quick list of chemicals we can find in alot of common places. From paint supply stores to Home Depot. I recommend Toluene and Methanol do to availability and very high octane rating.
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At this point it might be prudent to remind you that the handling of alcohol fuel, even in small quantities, is dangerous since poisonous Methyl Alcohol is the basis for most of these fuels. The effects are cumulative and if enough is allowed to build up, it oxidizes forming Formaldehyde causing blindness and insanity. But I’m fine and so am I…Another point to consider is that alcohol is a solvent and so far as certain paints are concerned it acts as a perfect paint stripper. Alcohol also has a very thorough scouring effect on tanks, pipe lines and so on, not forgetting it can on certain types of fiberglass tanks cause them to disintegrate into a rather nasty sticky mess.

In closing, be careful as you go about adding boost. It's more addictive then Heroin!!!

Article By: Brian Falla, NICOclub.com techie and Nissan Enthusiast
 
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WyoSyclone

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Re: Alcohol and Water Injection PT1

Thanks for that Dean! the more info the better for all of us. I just ordered my kit from Julio but won't install it till I get my present tune dialed in 100%
 

Flyin Ryan

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Re: Alcohol and Water Injection PT1

WyoSyclone said:
Thanks for that Dean! the more info the better for all of us. I just ordered my kit from Julio but won't install it till I get my present tune dialed in 100%

I'd install it first then get your tune dialed in 100% because alky will completely change your tune :)
 

Don W.

Stab it and steer it
Re: Alcohol and Water Injection PT1

Well just my :2cents: as I struggle with my setup. After going off the scale so-to-speak (tons of knock and spark retard, assumed to be mostly false knock) with my attempting to tune I shut down the alky system and worked on a gas only tune. Once that was in place, meaning truck ran good, pulled well, without tons of spark retard, I then knew I had a good starting place. I then started from scratch with the meth. As Julio says make SMALL adjustments. Turned out I was prolly starting to spray much to early. Anyway last Wed. at the track I saw real progress for the first time in quite awhile. Couple of ET's were 13 flat, trapping at just over 100 again. :tup: That on "only" 17-18lbs of boost. One run had absolutely -0-, as in flat-line, spark retard on DM. Didn't happen every run but at least I know it can be done.

HTH anyone just starting.
 

attackdog

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Re: Alcohol and Water Injection PT1

Great write-up. I have had alky on my SY since I have owned it but didn't understand it fully. I knew what it was for but wasn't sure how it worked. Thanks for the input.
-Dean
 

WyoSyclone

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Re: Alcohol and Water Injection PT1

Flyin Ryan said:
I'd install it first then get your tune dialed in 100% because alky will completely change your tune :)

I might do that under different conditions, but I've got a situation where I'm not able to add as much timing as I should be able to... see here.... http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=59660
I'm slowly getting the timing bumped up (safely)...it's all just a process.
 
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