3bar bins
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TheObiJuan
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they tune with his pretty awesome chip that he devoted himself too.
when all of chitown was partying he was looking at VE tables, when BW was trying to take him to see some strippers :lol: , he had to stay and work out some fuel maps... :x so he makes the chips, sells them, and you tune from there.
so, get a chip and a 3bar map sensor and have fun.
when all of chitown was partying he was looking at VE tables, when BW was trying to take him to see some strippers :lol: , he had to stay and work out some fuel maps... :x so he makes the chips, sells them, and you tune from there.
so, get a chip and a 3bar map sensor and have fun.
JSM
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the 3 bar is something Brian Green and a few computer geeks figured out.
Took lots of time and effort. Chances are you won't find many in the group to give away a fellow syty persons hard work. Nor should you expect them to.
I tend to see those people wanted to "SAVE" the few $$'s on a chip are not helped much, those that want to learn more than save are helped a lot.
Took lots of time and effort. Chances are you won't find many in the group to give away a fellow syty persons hard work. Nor should you expect them to.
I tend to see those people wanted to "SAVE" the few $$'s on a chip are not helped much, those that want to learn more than save are helped a lot.
i thought that this was the tuning part of the form. well it sounds like im not going to get any help thats cool. its amazing to see how money is always the case. im not trying to save a buck im just trying to tune my truck to my likeing .but if no body wants to help thats cool .ill just have to try to figure it out even though some people already no how to do it. :roll:
its amazing to see how money is always the case
... it's amazing that people always want something for nothing. :roll:
I give out the bins to people whom I know. I know their intent, I know they'd do the same for me, I know I'm doing something to help their truck, and they'd do whatever they could for me in return.
Someone comes on here, who I don't know, don't know what they are doing, if they are turning around and selling these, and wants me to just give out the bins freely... Gee you think I'm going to be a bit hesitant?
Do you have any idea the time I invested in those programs?
Obviously not, since you think I'm just being grumpy on not letting you have them.
Nice first impression btw.
... it's amazing that people always want something for nothing. :roll:
I give out the bins to people whom I know. I know their intent, I know they'd do the same for me, I know I'm doing something to help their truck, and they'd do whatever they could for me in return.
Someone comes on here, who I don't know, don't know what they are doing, if they are turning around and selling these, and wants me to just give out the bins freely... Gee you think I'm going to be a bit hesitant?
Do you have any idea the time I invested in those programs?
Obviously not, since you think I'm just being grumpy on not letting you have them.
Nice first impression btw.
I know many of us have a hard time paying for software since there is so much free stuff on the internet. Even programs that are sold for thousands of dollars - if you look hard enough you can find it for free.
There are a few steps in all this.
1. Goofy ass programmer comes up with the software .
2. Marketing jack ass advertises software.
3. Companies and private individuals BUY the software.
4. Friend 'borrows' the original software and makes a copy.
5. Hosts it on the internet for his friends to borrow - for instructional purposes only
Or charges people money ($5) for bandwidth use.
The only one who put any time into the project really was the programmer. He made the same shitty ass salary he makes everyday - no matter how many people bought the software. Do you think if you asked the guy who wrote the original program if you could have the source code to make changes - of course only for your use - they would willingly give it up? Now factor in not knowing the guy. Try writing bill.gates@microsoft.com and see if he will give you the code for Win2K.
Brian, no offense about the goofy ass programmer comment.
There are a few steps in all this.
1. Goofy ass programmer comes up with the software .
2. Marketing jack ass advertises software.
3. Companies and private individuals BUY the software.
4. Friend 'borrows' the original software and makes a copy.
5. Hosts it on the internet for his friends to borrow - for instructional purposes only
Or charges people money ($5) for bandwidth use.The only one who put any time into the project really was the programmer. He made the same shitty ass salary he makes everyday - no matter how many people bought the software. Do you think if you asked the guy who wrote the original program if you could have the source code to make changes - of course only for your use - they would willingly give it up? Now factor in not knowing the guy. Try writing bill.gates@microsoft.com and see if he will give you the code for Win2K.
Brian, no offense about the goofy ass programmer comment.
tyndago
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smoky said:
You came in here with the wrong attitude. The chip tuning community for the Sy/Ty is small. The 3 bar chip hack is something that PRIVATE owners - not business worked out.
If someone spends a lot of time on something - It is rude to ask for it for free unless you had something to offer back. The .bin for the 3 bar is traded fairly freely by people within the small group , but no one is here to "sell" what Brian worked on to make it work.
If you had told Brian - when he asked that you wanted to work on it for your truck he may have given you a bin to play with . But there are plenty of dirty , sleezey people in this world - that will steal from you , rob from you , what you have worked hard for.
To me it just sounds like you want to save a buck....
Methuselah
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My suggestion some weeks ago was to give a sample 3bar bin with some documentation on what exactly the differences were wrt the stock bin. This would involve a bit of work I imagine mostly on the part of BG.
Barring this option, it could be argued that purchasing the Ultimate is purchasing the binaries that come along with it, thereby providing the base for tuning with the 3bar as you wish to do. Doing this would make your questions regarding tuning towards your truck more specific at least, probably resulting in more questions being answered.
I think that Brian should sell one of the Ultimate modes for small profit for the do-it-yourselfers, with little to no support other than the forum expressed or implied. And probably a license covering derivative programs in some way.
What do you think?
Thanks,
Seth.
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ANAL GAPING
Barring this option, it could be argued that purchasing the Ultimate is purchasing the binaries that come along with it, thereby providing the base for tuning with the 3bar as you wish to do. Doing this would make your questions regarding tuning towards your truck more specific at least, probably resulting in more questions being answered.
I think that Brian should sell one of the Ultimate modes for small profit for the do-it-yourselfers, with little to no support other than the forum expressed or implied. And probably a license covering derivative programs in some way.
What do you think?
Thanks,
Seth.
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ANAL GAPING
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Are you referring to just the hardware?
Have to talk to Todd about that idea, the hardware was his brainchild.
So you'd basically want a chip hardware setup, and some bins to play with?
Not sure how much different this is than what we sell now, other than you'd want it cheaper....
My suggestion some weeks ago was to give a sample 3bar bin with some documentation on what exactly the differences were wrt the stock bin. This would involve a bit of work I imagine mostly on the part of BG.
I am still leaning towards no. Make this part of the game too easy for everyone, pretty soon you can get my programs from ATR, KB and any goon. There are 2 parts to what makes my programs unique - the 3 bar code portion, and the calibration portion.
I know you want to think of this like an open source, Linux kinda thing.. and I like that idea as well. Problem is that I feel I've invested too much into this to just go and give it away. It isn't something I just did in my spare time, at lunch or on break. Open source works because everyone contributes, there is no one to cash in on it. In this setup, I feel like I'd just be giving my resources out freely, with no return contribution, and possibly giving others the opportunity to cash in on my work.
One of the main reasons I spent all that time doing the chip work was that I had it in mind that no one else was going to do that work (3 bar conversion) and I'd be reimbursed for that work. If I quit after that point... and I had settled financially for my time invested, I'd give 'em away. Now I've got a lot more time invested into support, and updated calibrations, and 50# calibrations and so forth.. which I'm selling updates of for cheap. If I had any business scruples (or common sense?? No one else in their right mind spends the time I did and gives it away), I'd be selling those updates for another couple hundred bucks.
The Buick guys have been doing chips for a WHILE, and while their prices have come down, and no one GIVES programs away (with the exception of Thrasher). The multichip costs are still $200-300, mainly because it is a much simpler design than the Ultimate setup (no memcal, just a simple eprom). Tom Chou of Thrasher got frustrated with bootleggers and people stealing programs, so he gave up selling programs, quit doing Buick stuff completely. R&D has all but ceased with those.
Sorry, but these kinda requests rub me the wrong way...
Have to talk to Todd about that idea, the hardware was his brainchild.
So you'd basically want a chip hardware setup, and some bins to play with?
Not sure how much different this is than what we sell now, other than you'd want it cheaper....
My suggestion some weeks ago was to give a sample 3bar bin with some documentation on what exactly the differences were wrt the stock bin. This would involve a bit of work I imagine mostly on the part of BG.
I am still leaning towards no. Make this part of the game too easy for everyone, pretty soon you can get my programs from ATR, KB and any goon. There are 2 parts to what makes my programs unique - the 3 bar code portion, and the calibration portion.
I know you want to think of this like an open source, Linux kinda thing.. and I like that idea as well. Problem is that I feel I've invested too much into this to just go and give it away. It isn't something I just did in my spare time, at lunch or on break. Open source works because everyone contributes, there is no one to cash in on it. In this setup, I feel like I'd just be giving my resources out freely, with no return contribution, and possibly giving others the opportunity to cash in on my work.
One of the main reasons I spent all that time doing the chip work was that I had it in mind that no one else was going to do that work (3 bar conversion) and I'd be reimbursed for that work. If I quit after that point... and I had settled financially for my time invested, I'd give 'em away. Now I've got a lot more time invested into support, and updated calibrations, and 50# calibrations and so forth.. which I'm selling updates of for cheap. If I had any business scruples (or common sense?? No one else in their right mind spends the time I did and gives it away), I'd be selling those updates for another couple hundred bucks.
The Buick guys have been doing chips for a WHILE, and while their prices have come down, and no one GIVES programs away (with the exception of Thrasher). The multichip costs are still $200-300, mainly because it is a much simpler design than the Ultimate setup (no memcal, just a simple eprom). Tom Chou of Thrasher got frustrated with bootleggers and people stealing programs, so he gave up selling programs, quit doing Buick stuff completely. R&D has all but ceased with those.
Sorry, but these kinda requests rub me the wrong way...
okay listen up i was trying to get some thing to work with i thought that maybe more than one person was making the three bar chip program . if you think im trying to rip anybody off its not the case .
i own a typhoon and a 94 lightning and the tuner i had for the lightning was the eec tuner every body on the lightning page would help every body out if you had a question it was answered if you wanted a file you got it but ididnt no every body was going to get up set i no it takes a lot off time to tune i fought with that lightning for a good while be for i got the hang of things. i thought this was going to open a new world on this tunning form were every body is envoled with tuning not just a selected few. I didnt mean to get every body so fired up. dam you guys are touchy
i own a typhoon and a 94 lightning and the tuner i had for the lightning was the eec tuner every body on the lightning page would help every body out if you had a question it was answered if you wanted a file you got it but ididnt no every body was going to get up set i no it takes a lot off time to tune i fought with that lightning for a good while be for i got the hang of things. i thought this was going to open a new world on this tunning form were every body is envoled with tuning not just a selected few. I didnt mean to get every body so fired up. dam you guys are touchy
JSM
Active member
I think your intentions might be fine, the delivery though rubbed a few people the wrong way.
If you went back 4 yrs or so when the 3bar was developed, it was a grass roots effort. Those that were around at that time, hold it very close and up near the efforts of man walking on the moon, etc.
Nobody else has done the 3bar conversion. I have heard of a few people claiming or selling 3bars, but they have all stole it from Green's chip at some point.
Here is how MOST people end up doing their own work.
1. Buy ultimate
2. Install
3. Run truck
4. Make mods
5. Discover mods need chip work
6. Talk to green
7. Get lots of support, bins, etc.
The touchy comes from the syty group being close "family" and someone appearing to just get free stuff, is like someone stealing from family member.
I would assume on the lightnings you had to buy the hardware. Same here, you will need burner, etc.
I would say 99% chance if you email would have been worded, Hey guys, I just bought a burner, eraser, ect. and would like to do a custom chip for my truck, can anybody help me or steer me the right direction? You would have had open arms from a fair amount of people.
If you went back 4 yrs or so when the 3bar was developed, it was a grass roots effort. Those that were around at that time, hold it very close and up near the efforts of man walking on the moon, etc.
Nobody else has done the 3bar conversion. I have heard of a few people claiming or selling 3bars, but they have all stole it from Green's chip at some point.
Here is how MOST people end up doing their own work.
1. Buy ultimate
2. Install
3. Run truck
4. Make mods
5. Discover mods need chip work
6. Talk to green
7. Get lots of support, bins, etc.
The touchy comes from the syty group being close "family" and someone appearing to just get free stuff, is like someone stealing from family member.
I would assume on the lightnings you had to buy the hardware. Same here, you will need burner, etc.
I would say 99% chance if you email would have been worded, Hey guys, I just bought a burner, eraser, ect. and would like to do a custom chip for my truck, can anybody help me or steer me the right direction? You would have had open arms from a fair amount of people.
your right i had to buy the tuner and software for the lightning .i aslo bought the burner for the chips and the mulator for the typhoon also have tunner cat ,the dos syty stuff i even bought the old prompaqe i just got that from posting a couple of days ago somebody was able to help me with my needs. if you wanted to just sell a chip with it set up with the three bar with out all the other programs how much we looking at just want to get started.
tyndago
New member
Thats the fun of forums - and emails..... you don't get to talk to the person ....and see what they really want before someone gets the wrong impression....
Thats what seems to have happened here. Your first post was a little vague and got taken the wrong way.
Do you know Richard Bauer ? I noticed that you were in MD.... I think I saw another post where you said you were meeting him.
Brian is a good guy with a lot of time invested - he has given me plenty of .bins to try out on trucks. I have tried them - given him some feedback. Not much recently , but I think that spending money within the community is what makes the vehicles in the community better.
If someone makes a good , superior product - show your support for them by buying there product. Then maybe they will continue to support the product - and improve it.
Thats what seems to have happened here. Your first post was a little vague and got taken the wrong way.
Do you know Richard Bauer ? I noticed that you were in MD.... I think I saw another post where you said you were meeting him.
Brian is a good guy with a lot of time invested - he has given me plenty of .bins to try out on trucks. I have tried them - given him some feedback. Not much recently , but I think that spending money within the community is what makes the vehicles in the community better.
If someone makes a good , superior product - show your support for them by buying there product. Then maybe they will continue to support the product - and improve it.