1 of the 3 Raspberry Typhoons (#1312) has been sold

phoonTy

Truckless. For now.
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dgoodhue said:
No way! It's 1 of 3 or so (unless someone faked it, but I think yours has a documented history). I was just more interesting tidbit, GM probably just pulled off a Random Ty off the assembly line which happened to be white.

do you think they stripped and repainted it, or did they pull a white one and use the white as the primer coat?

Is the firewall painted too?

I'd like to see that color in person. :cool:
 

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
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phoonTy said:
do you think they stripped and repainted it, or did they pull a white one and use the white as the primer coat?

Is the firewall painted too?

I'd like to see that color in person. :cool:

The did pain teh firewall. I can only speculate/guess on this. Ty were painted before they reached PAS. PAS would have painted and added the cladding. The Ty was probably painted white, shipped to PAS, pulled from their inventory. The Cladding is probably not painted. My guess is GM would have stripped the white and painted it Rasberry, but I am not 100% sure. The probably would have stripped it for a Corvette, not sure if they follow the same protocol for a S15 Blazer and half ass it.
 
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Daron

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Peelerboy should be able to tell us how this went down no? If he can, that would be a really cool addition to this truck's pedigree. Cool truck anyway.
 

Andy 94SC

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The truck would have had to be completely stripped to be repainted Raspberry. The insides of everything I have seen are raspberry (inside the tailgate, brackets holding the I/P in, floorpan, etc) No signs of white anywhere.

My bet is it was painted Raspberry at the same point every other truck got their paintjobs at Pontiac Assembly, right after they came from the body shop. I don't think it was ever white.

They probably didn't have a paint code in the system for a "prototype" color, thus entered the code for White into the assembly system. From what I have seen the three Raspberries, and two Radar Blues all have the paint codes for white/white.
 

GarnetTy1473

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I just wrote Doug to see if he'll post the glove box sticker of his Raspberry for comparison. If both of these show a different paint code than Raspberry on the sticker, then I think we'll know what the answer is.
 

Merk

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GarnetTy1473 said:
I just wrote Doug to see if he'll post the glove box sticker of his Raspberry for comparison. If both of these show a different paint code than Raspberry on the sticker, then I think we'll know what the answer is.

I inspected this truck when it was in Michigan last year. The RPO says 19U (black). Wherever the alternate information came from, is inaccurate.
 

BigBadSmoosh

Picking fights on I-65 since 2013
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so all of this pretty much helps confirm that our truck #s are complete BS when it comes to build dates or production #s..
 

peelerboy

original gangsta
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Hey guys! Unfortunately, my fleeting memory of the raspberry trucks is really foggy. :( I do remember them, (I took some basic, documentation pictures of them for the company) , but the exact process with which they came to be is uncertain. The best guy to field this question would be John Koss. He spent a great deal of time at the PAS plant where the Ty's were built, whereas I was only out there occasionally. (I resided at the Troy design & engineering facility)

This is far from quoteable fact, but I coulda' swore the trucks arrived painted already (from GM) and then WE painted them raspberry. I remember our painter Bob going out there for some custom paint jobs, but honestly don't know if he laid the color down on the raspberry trucks or not.

Sorry to be so vague... but I don't want to just guess here. You guys would do well to ask John Koss about this.

Dale
 

Daron

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peelerboy said:
Hey guys! Unfortunately, my fleeting memory of the raspberry trucks is really foggy. :( I do remember them, (I took some basic, documentation pictures of them for the company) , but the exact process with which they came to be is uncertain. The best guy to field this question would be John Koss. He spent a great deal of time at the PAS plant where the Ty's were built, whereas I was only out there occasionally. (I resided at the Troy design & engineering facility)

This is far from quoteable fact, but I coulda' swore the trucks arrived painted already (from GM) and then WE painted them raspberry. I remember our painter Bob going out there for some custom paint jobs, but honestly don't know if he laid the color down on the raspberry trucks or not.

Sorry to be so vague... but I don't want to just guess here. You guys would do well to ask John Koss about this.

Dale

No probs Dale. Thanks for the input.
 

Jimmy

Banned
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According to this internal GM document,the 6 new colors for 93(radar blue,raspberry,bahama blue,teal,ultra silver,and light french blue) were test painted on the 92's at Pontiac West Assembly in Pontiac MI.Bet they all have the 5111 paint code.
paint.jpg


FWIW my Ty #1315 was built on March 2nd,about 4 days before #1312 was painted pink.

Andy can you post a pic of the door jamb decal?

No doubt your truck is pink,just want to see documentation for historical reference.
 
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Jimmy

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[rainman} hmm,2 Aspen Blue Ty's were originally registered in Grand Blanc MI.

#0457 and #0487.

There is a Rob Toth mentioned in the article.There is a Rob Toth in the Grand Blanc phone book.Guess I'll give him a call tomorrow.[/rainman}
 

Xtrempickup

All turbo All the time
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very nice, wish it was a the Radar blue tho
 

Jer

Don't taze me bro!
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Xtrempickup said:
very nice, wish it was a the Radar blue tho

+1

What I wouldn't give to get a radar/radar w/uber low miles but they don't exist any more. Of the two, the one that comes up for sale now and then is questionable and has fairly high miles.
 

Andy 94SC

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Jimmy said:
According to this internal GM document,the 6 new colors for 93(radar blue,raspberry,bahama blue,teal,ultra silver,and light french blue) were test painted on the 92's at Pontiac West Assembly in Pontiac MI.Bet they all have the 5111 paint code.
paint.jpg


FWIW my Ty #1315 was built on March 2nd,about 4 days before #1312 was painted pink.

Andy can you post a pic of the door jamb decal?

No doubt your truck is pink,just want to see documentation for historical reference.

Thanks for that article Jimmy, I have added that to my collection of info.

The door jamb sticker is the first pic on the website on page 1 of the thread.

DCP_1302-full.jpg


I would tend to doubt this was originally white, then repainted Raspberry at PAS. It is possible, but in order to do so they would have had to strip the entire interior, powertrain, electrical system, etc, etc and probably pull the body off the frame. I kind of doubt they would have put that much time into these.
 

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
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Andy 94SC said:
I would tend to doubt this was originally white, then repainted Raspberry at PAS. It is possible, but in order to do so they would have had to strip the entire interior, powertrain, electrical system, etc, etc and probably pull the body off the frame. I kind of doubt they would have put that much time into these.

I am not an expert on exactly what PAS install, but the truck came to PAS incomplete. They would have been partially built before they left GM assembly line. Most of the unique SyTy parts would have been installed by PAS. Partially built means no cladding, incomplete motor, interior, guages, probably no motor/transmission/transfer case and engine wiring harness. It probably would have take GM only a few hours to remove a few part to paint it again.

One thing I have noticed on SyTy's is the RPO label doesn't seem to ever change even when it has been a unique vehicle with a normal SyTy Vin. I can't read all of your in the picture but it looks like a common Ty RPO label from what I can see. The RPO code label would have been applied at the GM plant. I think most of the 'different' SyTy were flagged after they were partially built and already at the PAS assembly plant. The only thing I have seen different is the prototype VIN's. This is very much different than what I have seen with GN and Corvette, they usually have different or special RPO codes.
 

Andy 94SC

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I am definitely not an expert on these either, But I have been around assembly plants a lot, and have seen how some other specialty cars were made. So this is my educated guess.

I would tend to think that you are correct in that all of the special parts that made the Typhoon different from the Jimmy were installed at PAS. That would mean that all of the non specific parts were probably installed on the GM assembly line, meaning the glass, body electrical system, most of the interior (everything except seats, console, and gauge cluster, maybe door panels) most, if not all, of the chassis, maybe not the powertrain. no cladding. They probably had cheap wheels to roll around on that were replaced at PAS with the Typhoon wheels.

At PAS I would guess they only installed the special interior parts, cladding, graphics, wheels, and maybe the powertrain.

I really doubt they would have pulled the whole interior, and glass, and everything else from the sheet metal to repaint it. In order to repaint a different color, I would think that is what they would to have done.

I just took a quick look at the VIN tag area. You can see around the edges of the tag that the cowl area where the actual VIN tag is riveted is painted raspberry. To paint that, the whole instrument panel, and windshield (and probably VIN tag) would need to be removed from the vehicle.

Things like that are what makes me thing PAS did not do the original paint, as they would have had to strip everything out to the bare sheetmetal body. I bet they probably did paint some of it, such as the cladding, and maybe the grill, but not the body.

Maybe we need to see if John Koss can chime in here on how they were done? He told me he remembered doing the Raspberry vehicles, but I didn't get into specifics with him.
 

gt67sy

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is this truck still forsale? also if u bought this truck is there an actually paint code number to be able to Raspberry Color? I know the code on the tag says white but would there be a way to get the paint code to restore and match the paint back to the orginaly Raspberry Color. Interested in the truck and some info on it
 

Andy 94SC

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gt67sy said:
is this truck still forsale? also if u bought this truck is there an actually paint code number to be able to Raspberry Color? I know the code on the tag says white but would there be a way to get the paint code to restore and match the paint back to the orginaly Raspberry Color. Interested in the truck and some info on it

There is a paint code for Raspberry. It was used in later years on vehicles other than Typhoons. I have seen it on Barrettas, the next gen S/T trucks, and Trackers among other things. When I was searching on the Raspberry info I came across the actual paint code somewhere on this website. I think Merk had it.

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Yep, here is the info from a posting Merk made last year...

Paint Code:

38U
W9711
 

Andy 94SC

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I just got off the Phone with Mr Koss. He said he hasn't been online in a while, but he is going to try to chime in here sometime this weekend with some history...

Thanks John!

Also I did some more tinkering with it over the weekend. I charged the AC, and it has held a charge for 2 days now, so the A/C seems like it might actually be functional.

Also I drained the I/C system and pulled the pump off. After some fooling around I got the pump working. It is still the original pump I think (It is a Bosch pump?) so who knows how long it will last, but for now, it is pumping.
 
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Andy 94SC

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Well, it doesn't seem like John made it onto the board yet, so I'll share the info he gave me over the phone.

John said the Raspberry Typhoon bodies were painted at the GM assembly plant, pretty much like any other Typhoon aside from the special paint. Since the paint was a test, there was not a paint code yet for Raspberry, so whoever created the RPO stickers likely just entered whatever they felt like...

Where they were treated different was that the cladding, and fascias that were normally painted by PAS, were instead taken unpainted to the GM plant. There they were painted alongside the bodies. I guess that makes sense, if the color was brand new and they wanted a good match, it would make more sense to paint all at once. Or maybe GM didn't want to let any of the "prototype paint" out of their hands...

Also John said the three Raspberries all went to GM people. 1 to the GM assembly plant manager, 1 to an electrician, and 1 to the account manager for the GM Hydramatic division. I wanted to talk to him about that again, because I found out this week that this one (1312) went to a regular assembly line worker, maybe that was the "electrician."

Apparently the one that went to the Hydramatic account manager was brought back to PAS because the clearcoat clouded up or got really "milky" after it was rained on. That is why John thought they likely all had that problem, and might have been repainted.
 
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